Classic WoW

>vanilla trinkets
Why aren't these two level 20 items?
>ankh
Potions at level 35 do 700-900 health. Hell, the level 3 potion is 140-181 health. The level 40 trinket is beat out by level 3 potions that drop commonly in low level zones.
Even at level 20 this would be useless unless it had an extra effect like restoring life equal to a weak troll's blood potion as a passive for equipping it, or some holy resist or whatever placebo effect to make it seem good.
>eye
Only ever useful on a paladin, since they can't range pull without it. And the only use you get out of it is to aggro at range.
The effect is useless, only influences weapon attacks, not skills and not spells. And even there its too little.

Blizzard fucked up introducing shoulders, helmets, rings and trinkets over time, but trinkets especially.
There should be more low power, even inconsequential trinkets, at the early levels, just to have SOMETHING.

>inb4 hurrr durrr go play legion nub
You know it to be true.

Don't fucking talk shit about my classic wow reeee

Because Vanilia WoW was fucking hardcore man. Don't you dare talk shit about it...

Not every item has to be good or a direct upgrade from something else to be useful. Kill yourself back to retail, mongoloid.

>reeeeeeeee I should have purples in every slot right from level 1

>direct upgrade
Those are the lowest level trinkets you can get, unless you grind Warsong.
You go 40 levels without any trinket at all, and then get a shit trinket that would've been weak even if you got it at 20.
And then you replace it in a few levels with some quest reward.

The items are shit. Blizzard did a shit job itemizing Vanilla.

>you either have no trinket for 90% of the game, or you get epic sets at level 1

Yeah they should get rid of white weapons too because there should only be good items in the game. Fuck Blizzard for trying to have a diverse item pool eh

>>ankh
>Potions at level 35 do 700-900 health. Hell, the level 3 potion is 140-181 health. The level 40 trinket is beat out by level 3 potions that drop commonly in low level zones.
>Even at level 20 this would be useless unless it had an extra effect like restoring life equal to a weak troll's blood potion as a passive for equipping it, or some holy resist or whatever placebo effect to make it seem good.
It doesnt share a cd with pots

Because in vanilla, trinkets were mostly little oddities that did strange and weird things. It wasn't until you started raiding that you got things like TOEP that gave a solid DPS benefit.

go back to retail cuck

just like the name implies - a trinket
trinkets aren't known to be particularly useful, it's a trinket after all :^)

see Also, how is having NO trinkets for the majority of the game a diverse item pool?

eye could be the deciding factor in a warrior/warrior duel. when you are jousting, that 5% will slow your opponents attack just enough to gain a slight advantage.

basilisk eye is actually kind of cool for pallys

Yeah, and just like the name implies, a trinket doesn't exist until you've slain 500 dragons.
Its a trinket after all, a thing only the most hardcore of heroes would be a ware of, a myth that most only dream of and some don't believe is real.

It's called item progression. Virtually every other MMO does this too.

vanillafags will argue that not having such items the majority of the game adds to the difficulty. if you're not suffering, you're not having fun.

So go raid and get Kiss of the Spider, which was absolutely broken btw, and feel good about being one of the few that has a good trinket. The whole point of vanilla id that not every shit item you get for free is as good as even just zg stuff.

Yeah it's not like Warriors have a spell that increases time between attacks by 10% for 30 seconds, and doesn't stack with basilisk eye.

Aaaah, item progression. Lets see...

>lvl 1 - no trinket
>lvl 2 - no trinket
>lvl 10 - no trinket
>lvl 15 - no trinket
>lvl 20 - no trinket
>lvl 25 - no trinket
>lvl 30 - no trinket
>lvl 35 - no trinket
>lvl 40 - garbage useless trinket
>lvl 50 - slightly useful trinket
>lvl 58 - actually good trinket
>lvl 60 - the best trinket

So the only "progression" is in the last 10 levels of the game.
For most of the game, there is no progression, because going from no trinket to no trinket to no trinket isn't progression.
Trinkets should've been introduced earlier. There is no reason not to have some "Increase attack power by 14 for 5 seconds" trinkets at lower levels.
The decision to only introduce trinkets later, and shittily, is a bad decision. It is bad design. You are defending trash.

You don't really start getting trinkets until late 30s.
Shoulder slot until 20s usually
Helm at early 30s.
Trinkets were always supposed to be weird shit that gave a slight boost.
ankh of life is shit, but its better than not having a trinket at all. If you think of it this way, it gives you a 13 to 16 stam boost every 5 mins. Which is pretty decent at that level.

Cold basilisk eye doesn't seem bad for a level 35.

>t. someone who never played vanilla

It's almost like you don't know that you get shoulders around 20, helms around 30, trinkets around 40.

I've played Vanilla, and I even played the open beta before the game launched.
I especially like it when people half my age call me a kid, people who only discovered the website a couple of years ago call me new, and when people who only played vanilla on private servers call me out for not playing it.

>its almost like you don't know that this thing you specifically mentioned on the OP!!!
Its almost like you dropped out of school to pursue a career in professional masturbation.

Hey look the correct answer in the middle of idiots arguing with OP's brainlet bait.

There's no progression early on because it's not needed. The introduction of new items and discoveries isn't burned out on the player in the first 10 levels of the game so things are kept interesting. It's niether bad nor good game design, just game design.

>150 health at level 35 is significant guise, i swear!!!
>lemme dig up my post for those upvotes, i deserve more!

Fuck off, retard.

I played the closed beta of WoW, you're a newfag.

You got carrot on a stick and essence of eranikus before 50. Shoulders were your early 20s gear landmark and trinkets were for your 40s. There was nothing wrong with the wait.

>dropped out of school
I'm 30 and an engineer.
I played wow when it first came out 2004.
You're fucking stupid for making a shit argument that I blew out of the water. Then you made yourself look like even more like a retard by claiming to have actually played vanilla, yet you still made that argument in green text. Go back to playing retail you manbaby.

It stacked with multiple heal sources you fucking retard. WoW didn't lock you out on a potion timer like it does now. It is literally a "better than nothing" item and helped a shit ton for rogues and warriors alongside the luffa and other unconventional items.

It may save you from death. Not every tool needs to be gamechanging, it's fine that some only are useful once in a while. If it were as powerful as potions it'd make potions obsolete.

Is Everyst going to be good?

>It is literally a "better than nothing" item

And that is literally all it is. As a rare world drop at level 40.
Truly the "poison of having 7% chance to apply a 4% poison debuff on targets you poison, 34% of the time" of WoW.

Better than nothing shouldn't be what a designer strives for when creating the first trinkets players will encounter.

kid

>Better than nothing shouldn't be what a designer strives for when creating the first trinkets players will encounter.
Yes it is. It generates awareness and interest in the type of item which leads to talk and talk leads to more time spent finding better alternatives.

Also it wasn't the first people ran into. That shit was an AH item that alt makers would use to hold the spot until chained essence and the carrot.

>i btfo uuu!!!!!!
Keep the thread alive till 18:30, I'll post my box, with the fucking receipt stabled to it, so you can masturbate to the thought of being me.

Trinket
noun
noun: trinket; plural noun: trinkets

a small ornament or item of jewelry that is of little value.

It's almost like trinkets were just for flavor. I mean blizzard could have just not given us trinket slots instead?

You are almost certainly a prepubescent child.

The real problem with vanilla items was nerfing spirit into the worst attribute and not replacing all the +spirit with some else, anything.

So you're going to prove you're a compete retard instead of just ignorant? Alright then, (you) keep on nerd raging.

Nobody called you a kid.

Because the best majority of classic was flawed. Whether that adds to the charm or not is up to you, but that's just how it is. A lot of stuff got added without too much thought, and a lot of it never got patches because it wasn't important enough.

Didn't spirit have a soft cap or some shit? Pass a certain point it didn't give the same value?

Why aren't there heirloom gear in Vanilla?

>level 1
>grey/white weapon/gear

>lvl 10
>grey/white wepaon/gear

vs

A heirloom gear/weapon would at lvl 1-60


also why is the mount so expensive? If you want me to use mount system, why is it 600 gold?

Why level 60 requirement? Can't you just make it level 1 requirement and shared on all accounts?

Also why am I required to do professions out in the world? Can't we just program a garrison AI to do it for me?

And why do we need to go to the instance directly or form parties manually? Cant we just implement dungeon finders?

is this bait?

No

classic is basically an old, kinda broken game. that's why people liked it so much. it was tedious to level, it was hard to grind out anything, and of course infuriating that you got ganked all the fucking time. (and the NPCs were killed too).

I don't think the game is for you.

>why is it 600 gold?
900 gold you mean.

i remember like almost everyone wearing that stupid argent dawn trinket because there was nothing else to put in your trinket slot, and this was at level 60

>a small thing of little value
>its the last item slot you fill
>its introduced the last
>in end game, it ends up being one of the more important and harder to fill gear spots
If you go by the dictionary, trinkets should've been introduced early game, like OP says.

>more strawman
>more slippery slope
>more false dichotomy

Why are private server retards so incapable of arguing?

he is just new to the game or never seen vanilla. trust me tons of folks will get turned off once they get a taste of reality check.

>classic is basically an old, kinda broken game. that's why people liked it so much.

No, people liked it because it was a slow, deliberate, heavy investment open world multiplayer RPG.
All the bugs, bad balance, etc, those were not part of its charm. Those were flaws that people had to deal with to get their slow MMO that they wanted.
And now we have the tumorous growths that insist on exactly the bugs and flaws being the real reason we played, rather than the slowed long term adventure. Its like a knife in the back, when Blizzard asks what we want, and the loud retards shout WE WANT THE SAME GAME WITH ALL ITS OLD FLAWS :D

>bad balance, etc, those were not part of its charm
I agree with your sentiment bar this detail. "Bad balance" worked in its favor. It got people looking for the gems among the dirt. Conversation is good in an open game. I believe some classes needed tweaking to make use of some stats better, especially with spirit, but the game's shift in BC to the no item left behind program coupled with the huge new emphasis on raiding was an early crack in the game's core design shifting from what I loved.

I love listening to retards who think vanilla WoW is some sort of hardcore, unforgiving experience. It was considered the babby MMO at the time.

Fuck off, faggot.

>"Bad balance"
Putting the quotes there doesn't make it any less bad.

>coupled with the huge new emphasis on raiding
what

To be fair, engineering had trinkets at low levels because all it required was engineering skill. Minor Recombobulator was 140 eng skill to use. Also low level trinkets were added during the bg patch for pvp rewards.

>not using class pvp trinkets to escape from CC
Here we go again with casuals being fucking casuals, thinking a 100 health heal is more important

>No, people liked it because it was a slow, deliberate, heavy investment open world multiplayer RPG.

No, they liked it because it improved something that was already on the market and was based on something well known and sucessfull.

Why is mage the best vanilla class?

Paladin can be fun in pvp with lots of gear but the ret tree is hot garbage

I remember the worst part is having to use 8 slot bags for a major chunk of the game. 16 slots were pretty expensive and you never get them until the end of the game

>wow was just everquest meme

Shows you haven't played either.

>mage
>a third of their abilities are fire
>the early raids are fire immune

>Top 3 dps class in all of the raids
>Free water for everyone
>Great farming, only rivaled by hunters
>Teleports yo
>Great PvP
Just all around a great class.

>No, people liked it because it was a slow, deliberate, heavy investment open world multiplayer RPG.
Just like every MMO before it. I don't want shit handed to me like a baby.
>Those were flaws that people had to deal with
Oh shit, people having to overcome mechanics of a game!

Why are you so mad about people wanting classic to be... like it was? Why do you care?

People who fucking cry for complete balance are the ones who don't try to overcome challenges, they can't cope with it because they are too stupid to think outside of the box. All classes were viable in pvp and bgs, that's balanced enough.

this is a good thing

>if you want X to improve, you are bad at X

My second favorite meme, right after the most imbecilic members of any group always being the most vocal and arrogant.

In comparison to current retail wow, vanilla is hardcore.

Because Blizzard didn't know what they were doing and fixed the issues in BC & Wrath.

You're forgetting something about the Ankh: Its a free mini potion every 5 minutes.

>thinking the trinket wasn't just for grinding.
literally just pop the fucker every time it's up as a warrior or rogue while grinding mobs to reduce downtime. It's one of the first trinkets you get.

Can you read?

300 tailor here, got the server first mooncloth bag recipe back in 2004.
it never made me any money

At least +4 all stats to chest made shitloads for me.

yes

I hope you're all ready for Vanilla WoWs new 2017 audience!!!

>games too hard, I want it easier
why are you so bad?

Well well well, someone is a nigger. =D

>balanced == easier
Why are you so trash, kid?

This is correct. Those items were a way of vusually distinguishing players of various levels. It felt awesome to get your first set of shoulders at 20.

>Life's not fair, I lose because of balance. Not because I'm shit at the game. It's everyone else fault, not mine. It can't be a problem with me. I can't make mistakes, im perfect and better than everyone else.
You are a manchild, it's easy to see.

I play the weaker classes, and still win. Sometimes I lose, and I'm ok with that. I try again next time. A completely balanced game would mean you lose 50% of the fights you have. But I'm pretty sure a manchild like you couldn't handle losing 50% of the time.

What you're calling balance is actually just hammering down the texture of the game until everything is a smooth homogenized porridge. We've already lived that dream. It's why we want to go back.

You take your rogue and quest in winterspring. You get a shitty cloth spirit chest piece from a quest and tell your priest friend. They head out from the burning steppes and thank you. Uneven gear generates communication. A thing you want in an MMO.

As we sit now, my rogue quests in Val'sharah. I get my new BIS chest piece for the hour from a quest and move on. I talk to no one. I spend time needing no one.

The system is over refined. Vanilla WoW was a home cooked amateur apple pie. Apple pie isn't everyone's favorite, it's got uneven butter blended through the crust which has created "imperfections" - pockets of flavor and uneven crust texture, flaking and the like. Modern WoW is a marvel of engineering but stale. Modern WoW is a Hostess pie. Flavors for everyone, perfectly executed crust with no imperfections between a hundred different pies. But the taste has been made uniform to match the process that made it. Nothing unsafe. No buttery crust. Nothing to offend or challenge someone's taste.

I want to go back to the home made apple pie. Maybe a home made cherry pie would be a thing I preferred more but I'll never know because it was never made. All I know is I've got Blizz brand mass produced cherry and I'm sick of the taste.

imagine having a low enough iq to unironically think classic is a game worth playing

Teleports makes the game so much easier to farm, quest.

Oh boy, cant wait to get banned by blizzard for problematic barrens chat

>tfw actually bought white weapons when I just started playing because I just couldnt fathom that vendors would only sell literal trash

>Imagine having a low enough iq to unironically think any video game is worth playing
FTFY

Just play a private server like Kronos or whatever other servers there are.

The most tragic thing about classic servers is that we won't get these back.

Some vendors sold pretty good green gear, but it was a limited supply.

DESU that white gear is for RP fags.

We're not looking for a perfect game. We're looking for World of Warcraft.

I dont ever remember vendors selling greens. Maybe in BC
It just always bothered me that vendors sell useless stuff. Its completely counter intuitive. Blizz are dumb as fuck

>people saying shit like "vanilla is so easy everyone will just blow through it"
I think you severely overestimate WoW's playerbase. Remember Cata heroics? The whining will be that times a hundred. I just hope Blizzard doesn't budge this time.

anyone got that image where some dude explains what worgen is backwards and then that SFK is filled with them dropping watermelons and chicken legs?

>samefagging

How is it "counter intuitive" that normalfag vendors in cities sell normal items? You go into dungeons for epics you don't buy them from some random blacksmith

except this time vanilla has quite large defense force screeching “go back to retail shitter” when someone even dares to question it

Why wouldn't we? They said they were recreating it exactly as it was back then.