Counter Strike and TF2 had literal gambling crates with paid keys for years

>Counter Strike and TF2 had literal gambling crates with paid keys for years
>but free lootboxes is what caused a stir
Why is it okay when Valve does it?

Because normies didn't play that shit like they do these days. You fucking knew the answer yet you still asked the dumb question. Fucking retard.

You can also trade and sell what you get.

>open $2.49 crate
>get something I can trade
>has value in relation to the $2.49 I paid to open the crate
>I'll win/lose irregardless and I could win/win on the open

>open $1 lootbox
>get some items I already had
>can't sell them
>I'm out a dollar even if I "win"
>I can definitely lose/lose and at best win/lose.

PC master race has been sucking that shit up for years. took console players to finally say/do anything about it

>Normies didn't play CS:GO

Lootboxes with cosmetic items are fine. Lootboxes that can give you advantage in a game are bad. Why is it so hard to understand?

Partially because people don't have a problem with loot boxes as long as it's all cosmetic.
But mostly because Star Wars is a much, much bigger franchise than any video game franchise.

Ever heard the expression "The straw that broke the camel's back"?

This meltdown has been brewing för years .

>tf2
>all cosmetic
???

Sure, you'll get something you can trade that's worth 30 fucking cents. Don't be dense there is practically no difference except like said it's in more mainstream games now.

Most people I talk to about Counterstrike only ever played CSS or 1.6.

>has value

But can't you get a skin that's worth about 3 cent?

Everyone made a big deal about CS:GO last year, but most discussion was hushed when a lot of people realised it was their favourite youtubers under fire.

>>has value in relation to the $2.49 I paid to open the crate
Yeah nice fucking meme
90% of the times you get something worth a quarter of what you paid at most, even worse in TF2 days.
People buy crates hoping to get the really good shit, which surprise, are super low chance of actually dropping from the crate, which is not that different from rolling the slots hoping for the best pot but getting shit on with the other results.

The difference is that valve has an army of deluded faggots defending every single step they take, even NOW there's people that defend them after all the shit they've done for 2 years, also funny enough how valve is rarely ever mentioned on this lootbox shit but OW and BF are, when valve fucking pioneered this bullshit.

There's not a single worse fucking video game company than valve, it's just that people refuse to see for how long they've been getting away with this kind of shit.
Mann conomy was 6 years ago

It isn't. It's actually really bad and has come under fire a few times already but it always dies down. Part of the issue is that only CS cucks give a fuck about this shit and you need to be pretty fucking cucked to be into CS, especially with all the rampant cheating all the way up to the pro scene.

What strikes me more is how Hearthstone is never mentioned. The entire gameplay is essentially focused on gambling, random components to strong cards etc. and emphasizing the good feeling of coming out ahead due to good gambles (See the whole Yogg card)

Then there's the cards themselves, people defend it as a TGS but you can't actually trade, any card you already have which draw from a pack instantly loses 3/4th of it's value, and the rarities are completely random to boot.

>Why is it okay when Valve does it?
Why would Valve continue supporting CSGO otherwise?
Hang on
disregard that, I suck cocks

It's not just fucking CS.
It literally happened with dota years ago, you bought a crate with CRATE SPECIFIC keys and at most, you got a 30 cents item.
They flooded the market with so many of these stupid crates that it completely fucked over item drops, market prices, etc.
Every single one of these items now go for less than 10 fucking cents, every single one of them.

And as they removed the old constant drops, as they removed the old crates, as they pushed low quality sets with no control, as they made sure that old items were worth jack shit, no one said anything.
And way before, it also happened with TF2 with gameplay impacting weapons, unusuals, all this bullshit.
But again, valve fans kept sucking up to gabe and their EPIC steam sales.
This is all your fault Sup Forums, you started this shit by supporting steam and valve jewish ways


HS has been under all this for a while, even before the BF shit, however, not in the west yet.
It got so bad in china that they cant sell packs, they were forced to sell straight dust.

>3 cent
That's a penny after valve takes their cut.

Because they didn't put darth vader in the loot box.

You know shit is fucked up when China has a better comsumer policy on something than you...

I honestly don't know how the fuck is steam market a thing
I'm a fucking idiot so excuse this from someone that has no idea how economy works, but from my non economist brainlet it seems super shady.
How's valve selling gambling all over the world in the form of boxes, rips you off, AND THEN takes even more money from you reselling the item on it's own black market like system.
Why is there even a steam cut which is sometimes outrageous
Where's all this money coming from
Does it just passes as services and other loopholes because this just seems shady as fuck, it's an economy that holds value because of what valve says, yet the items on this economy are distributed, sold, tagged and done by valve and only valve and these items hold value on the real world.

What's stopping valve themselves from just introducing shitton of these valuable items that they hold a monopoly on everything involving them on random fake accounts and reselling them through fishy places and sellers via paypal


Then you mix shit like key sites, shady key codes, steam practices towards a lot of shit, I don't know, it just seems really fucked up.

because the boxes in csgo and tf2 give you actual items that you can trade. only a brainlet or unusual/knife hunter unboxes old crates with a low chance to get your $2.49 back,. hell you don't even have to open it, you can sell/trade the box itself.

>relation

If people don't want the commons then the rares and uncommons are worth more. If the inverse happens and the commons are alright the uncommon/rares won't be worth as much.

The odds are worse but the payoff is better when you win. If you get rare you didn't want from a lootbox or you already have it. It's pretty much worthless.

But that's half the fun of any card game. Not having trading is shitty but it also means the game isn't just minmaxed without commiting for the advantage. Tbf it's a f2p and that's how it has to make money.

All the gameplay affecting items were available for free over time, and they at least tired to balance them against the default gear. Battlefront's star cards or whatever don't have a "default", you either have them and you're at an advantage, or you're not. You either unlock a named character, or you're stuck as the cannon fodder.

>The odds are worse but the payoff is better when you win

Valve fanbois will defend anything valve does. Then ask for seconds.

I would say it's because of triggered virtue signalling faggots.

Buying crackerjack boxes a hundred years ago for a random free prize wasn't gambling.
Baseball cards weren't gambling.
MtG and Yu-gi-ho weren't gambling.
Those little plastic balls with random prizes outside walmart weren't gambling.
Blind bags aren't gambling.
Loot Crates in games aren't fucking gambling.

But no since EA had a shitty pay to win lootbox system, it's suddenly gambling. Wow a corporation known for fucking people over is doing something shitty? Dear God we'd better change the DEFINITION OF THE WORD GAMBLING so we can regulate muh video games!

Fuck Sup Forums. It's never been gambling.

Its gambling though. You might not like it but it still is gambling.

the difference is that they don't affect the game you mongoloid shill, how many times do we have to say it until we get it through that thick EA skull of yours?

How is it gambling? "Gambling" as an activity is betting money on an event to win more money, such as cards or a sports game. Is buying card packets at a store to find a shiny version of your favorite pokemon gambling? No. It has never been considered gambling by anyone with any intelligence, it has never legally been considered gambling by the supreme court, and I'd (gamble) some money that you never considered it gambling until you decided to be a virtual signalling little faggot on Sup Forums and show that you aren't a "le corperate shill" by changing the definition of a word for your purposes, faggot.

Well they are all cosmetic, it doesn't matter that you have a $500 for your M4 it still acts like the same one that scrub with no skin is using.

Look up what gambling is you autistic crustacean.

cosmetic lootboxes are fine

>get skin in CSGO
>sell it for steambucks
>can buy Okami when it comes out in december
>didn't even open a crate just got it in a match

It isn't. Valve was always cancer. Valve betrayed PC gaming first of all when they created steam for half life 2 release then tried to kill cs 1.6 and make steam mandatory for cs source at the same time. Since then it has just gotten worse. Stealing mods. Don't create games. Don't tell any costumers they have been hacked and all credit card numbers stolen for months. Green broken releases early access VAC that scans and shares with CIA.

Valve is run by a man that is Microsoft at heart but who needed to be Bill hates himself.

False promises. Never released episodic content. Taking a huge turd on tf2 players and buyers by making it a free hat gambling simulator. Started to limit modding. Censoring of nude mods. Forum bans automatically if Trump supporter. Steam fail controller. Steam fail machines. Steam fail OS. Valve where the fuck are the VR games?

Valve is a fucking cancer. Just like EA ACTIVISION T2 WB GAMES and all AMERICAN companies.

Yeah just like the TF2 weapons were just downgrades from vanilla
mostly
sometimes
somewhat

If you accept one, it's only a matter of time until the other one starts happening and not only becomes bigger, but eventually it's widespread to the point where it's on every game and games are developed solely around this system.
Which is exactly what happened and IS happening, yet you STILL have people oblivious to this shit and pushing it.

lol not even Blizzard bans you for Trump support.

>has value in relation to the $2.49

No, this is braindead retarded and requires just a tiny bit of thinking.

How could common items, that everyone gets all the time from opening crates, could be equal to the value of something that would predictably give you that item plus something much more expensive.

The crate is always going to have more value and you'll typically be at a loss. So, you're wrong and therefore stupid.
.

>Forum bans automatically if Trump supporter.

Feel like proving that, faggot?

>Censoring of nude mods
Wut?

Buying a mod is not theft.

I got the perma personally and no I can't be bothered to find a link to the post I also wouldn't want to link my ID to you. All of did was say congrats Trump and republicans in OT on election night.

They made it policy now to not allow discussion or devs to link to downloads anymore.

It is when the doesn't belong to the seller and compensation is typically a temp job basic income as they trademark shit and make millions over night laughing all the way to the bank.

He is using the bill gates Microsoft playbook to the letter.

You're not wrong it totally is gambling. But that's literally logic too. $2.49 is worth $2.49 at the end of the day. At least it's not nearly has scummy. There is an actual product you get and you're playing against players and not the house for what the value is worth. End of day house gets money though. But then there is layers of actual investing too if you play it smart.

It's gambling but you get a product not a fucking pyramid scheme.

Then you’re probably conversing with 40 year olds as it was and still might be the very biggest fps in the industry. I do hope it dies soon though.

csgo is $15 overwatch is $40-60 tf2 is free
the crates and items were always supposed to subsidize the game's cost and it worked, so no one complained besides people who wanted cs source 2

>sry guys i can't provide proof but it totally happened trust me why would i lie

Because inflation user. If they could, valve would literally be printing money.

Mod abuse is rampant on steam. People should just stay away from their forum or better yet stop buying games from them.

Ok fine don't believe me. Go to OT now and make a thread about Trump and how great he is and prove me wrong!

So you're literally inserting a coin in order to win a bigboi prize

Is everybody here goldfish or something? Does nobody remember the shitstorm from the 3rd-party off-site betting that got Valve into trouble?

>the normies mann
kill yourself pathetic retarded loser

There was never a different playing weapon that was only obtainable from crates, unless you're talking about stranges and skins, which don't offer any mechanical advantage.

>irregardless

kill yourself

Somebody please explain how modern lootboxes are gambling. I understand how Valves are: you can resell the items back for money.

But how exactly is buying a lootbox in Overwatch or Battlefront 2 gambling when you're essentially buying it without it ever retaining real world value? If I buy a lootbox and it contains a legendary, it's still worth the same amount as if it had 3 commons and a rare: it's worth zero dollars.

They're shit, but I'm not at all convinced they are gambling. Show me how they are

Its actually csgo betting that was the first mention of vidya gambling in the msm.

Haha he won
suck it up little b i t c h

What a dumb post.
Learn english you fucking dumbshit

Gambling is a game of chance. It doesn't have to involve money. That is why people use chips or tokens in gambling games.
Lootboxes are a slot machine for a prize that has a value.

It's funny because after everything I listed he wants to argue trump point only.

I didn't even mention the fucking joke that is there support that doesn't actually exist. While all other companies and retail of that size even way smaller has fulltime support staff they don't so he can make even more money for himself. Dude won't take steam public because he likes to be a dick control freak and share the wealth with no one but himself.

He fucking made up that he has a killswitch for steam DRM in the event anything ever happens lol

Weren't you talking about Valve buying e.g. Day of Defeat? I don't know what other kinds of mods they have "stolen."

i do not believe people think guns with paint on it is cool

The chips represent money, they are just an intermediary.

Are you saying that when I play slots in pokemon it's gambling?

Retards will tell you can sell your account

No fucking shit. You cash in chips for money but the game doesn't involve money. Thats the point.
Yes dude all games of chance are gambling.
You gamble when you take a chance. It's basic English.

PC gaming would be irrelevant now if it weren't for all of Valve's efforts

They stole left 4 dead Dota team fortress counter strike and list goes on. It is their entire fucking business practise ffs lol

Business plan

1. Find popular mod
2. Steal the brand
3. Make 30% on sales
4. Sell keys to gambling addicts
5. Consumer is always wrong

>valve is good guys!!

>this is gambling
you are like a little child
watch this

>valve saved PC meme
Bullshit.

If anything they hurt it and still hurt to this day. Only idiots born after steam was made would ever say something that fucking stupid like you do now. PC gaming was thriving at the time.

>stole
This word does not mean what you think it does.

>Counter Strike and TF2 had literal gambling crates with paid keys for years
Yes, cosmetic only. which is deemed more acceptable within the community

EA lootboxes are tied to ingame progression and give actual advantages

pc gaming was better than ever before steam kicked in. if anything, platform that allows you to make purchase at any moment has made small DLCs possible, which is shit compared to good old times™ when game add-ons were fuckhuge boxed titles with loads of content

I mean to steal. To take something from someone else that doesn't belong to you without their permission.

Now KYS newfag.

Yeah no. The reason the golden age of gaming died was because big companies stopped making games like valve and blizzard. Then all the genius talent in the industry died out because souless large corporations bought them up and forced them to make garbage film tie in games.

And we could sell our games used.

Steam actually created a platform where we can sell, trade, giveaway our digital items. No other company really let you do that across multiple games. That and they're all cosmetic.

I'm no fan of Valve nowadays, but they merely followed the market: A market obsessed with gambling and shiny item skins. They didn't create that desire or force it. It was just there and they created the fairest system we have for that.

I don't like it either and I hope that bubble pops, but I don't delude myself into thinking Valve is the big badguy to blame who ruined gaming because they sell keys. If anything, they made a model and way for it to be done fairly: By allowing trading and ""ownership"".

So then why are gamers coming down so hard on lootboxes if gambling in games in general is already so prevalent?

how far back are you thinking? PC games stopped using the fuckhuge boxes (inconvenient for anyone not still living at home) long before Steam launched.

because they're retarded

i still had boxed games when unreal engine 3 games started appearing. shit, boxes had truly started just recently to be honest

because with this system the house never loses. The items aren't real, and when the game shuts down the item evaporates. There's no responsibility of the publisher to respect your purchase and there's no consumer rights.

The lootbox ordeal is just an extension of a bigger problem surrounding digital ownership and its lack of rights.

That's an outright lie cunt.

Bullshit they didn't follow a trend lmao fucking cunt they created it they were the first you fucking disingenuous little cunt.

>shit, boxes had truly started just recently to be honest
the fuck, me

boxes started dying just recently*

Because this involves money. It is a path of least resistance ie straight to peoples homes and their kids. It also is starting to involving paywalling game content behind a game of chance. So there is a chance soneone can dump hundreds of bucks and not even get the thing they want.
Its leading to worse games. As the companies dont give a shit as long as "whales" are throwing money at them.

>base game is 15$/free
>no dlcs and free updates
>lootboxes only have skins and no real effect on gameplay
Heh thought so

Because trading
You can get every item in csgo without spending a single dime. same goes with TF. And those games aren't made from the ground up to sell crates and don't use predatory tactics in gameplay that make you wanna buy lootboxes like BF2 does

Im still not convincing this is gambling though. It's microtransactions, yes, and they have their own long list of issues that I won't disagree on.

It's not okay, all those loot crate variants should be clasified as gambling.

/thread

The main point should be the base price of the game tbrh

>csgo updates remove maps
>devs take years to fix simplest bugs
>usually updates introduce more bugs with some fucked up features instead of actually doing something right for a change
>from time to time, update is operation
>operations cost 5 yuro to play

yeah, such a nice guys

Its gambling by definition. You put down money on boxes for a chance at a prize of value.

Yeah compared to other devs they are far better and nice

don't know Counter Strike, but TF2 were not gambling because whatever you found in those things you could sell away through steam or trade it with players, and basically everything you found in there had roughly the same value and was not gamebreaking
Battlefront lootboxes are gambling because of all the shit you can get there are one or two extremely broken skills or piece of equipment that you MUST have if you want to win, while the rest is absolutely worthless and you can't really do anything with it (jetpack immunity anybody?)

>VAC that scans and shares with CIA.
Vac can only sift through the steam games that are running you moron. That's why its easy to work around. VAC cant see shit on your computer
>inb4 BUT THATS WHAT (((THEY))) WANT YOU TO BELIEVE

>of value

How? It's worthless