>"Having once made the statement above, I have declined all opportunities to enlarge upon it or defend it. That seemed to be a fool's errand, especially given the volume of messages I receive urging me to play this game or that and recant the error of my ways. Nevertheless, I remain convinced that in principle, video games cannot be art. Perhaps it is foolish of me to say "never," because never, as I've once said, is a long, long time. Let me just say that no video gamer now living will survive long enough to experience the medium as an art form."
a more appropriate question is, what doesn't he do? And don't say video games, he was addicted to quake a long time ago.
Ayden Garcia
A comedian but his jokes are trash. He doesn't bring anything interesting and new on the table and he screams alot on his stand ups. It’s annoying. But his podcast is great. It’s very popular. It's called joe rogan experience, he’s very smarr. He was anti feminism even before it became cool to be anti feminist
Colton Davis
jamie, pull up that one of the monkeys eating each other. it's fucking brutal, those chimps are savages. they don't give a fuck.
and video games aren't art.
Christian Lopez
Why does he talk like an intellectual?
Lucas Miller
It's objectively wrong by most definitions of art.
So if we're to continue this discussion, you'd have to present a definition of art that most people would agree on. Often times in these threads, people will (for some reason) bring up fail states and other things. Then people counter with games that specifically still fit the criteria, then they backpedal and add OTHER criteria. It's annoying.
Art can be nearly anything, as long as there is an artist to put a box around it to call it art. Video games are much more in depth that that. They are reflections of the people that work on them.
It seems Joe believes there is potential to be art, he just hasn't experienced it. Well, I can give several exams of more "artistic" games that use the medium/interactivity to affect the player in such a way to make a statement on the human condition. If that isn't art, then most films, pictures, paintings aren't either.
Anthony Martin
OP just got a Roger Ebert (faggot) quote and for some reason said Joe Rogan said it... Not sure why.
Blake Lopez
The dude defends flat earthers. He's that stupid.
Sebastian Adams
what the fuck does Joe Rogan know?
Evan Gomez
Alex Jones made this guy's podcast tolerable.
Colton Walker
...
Carter Martin
>there is no way art could ever be interactive
Charles Brown
>B-BUT HE HATES FEMINISM!
Christopher Russell
No he doesn't, retard. He talks about how stupid they are.
Levi Hughes
wrong board
Ryan Gomez
Perhaps you're a pseudo intellectual who mindlessly agrees with whatever your guests tell you and pretends to be interesting?
Carter Rogers
Take your own advise
Juan Mitchell
>industry and games media keeps pushing shitty AAA cinematic trash and boring indie shit as examples of games being art, instead of games that attempt to do interesting stuff I wonder why they're not considered to be art
Video games are mix of several different mediums, some of which are art. Though you might say that means it cannot be art, movies can be, and they're also a mix of several different mediums. Problem is video games have the mechanical / player input part, which to this day has proved that it cannot be "art".
However, there are games which meld the interactivity / mechanical elements so flawlessly with the other parts that they become more than movies. Which means that arguably, video games can be art. It's just that the vast majority of them do not even try. But it's not like it's any different with movies.
He is not right, but he is not outright wrong either. His is the safe choice.
Josiah Bailey
>this thread It's amazing that all you have to do is take something someone says and put someone else's picture next to it and every mouth breathing retard will come out of the woodwork talking shit about the wrong person. You fags really crack me up sometimes.
Levi Flores
A game can't be art if it's not on pc, because it has a higher chance of failing to be preserved.
Jordan Perez
>art A bunch of trashbags on the floor is considered art these days
Anthony Jenkins
>i've never played a worthwhile video game and refuse to have my viewpoint challenged but i've seen commercials for call of duty and hoo boy it's shit dumb human dumb human
>butthurt over dead man words also Joe use to be addicted to Quake
Ayden Ortiz
Rogan's the next DUDE WEED LMAO faggot after Rogen.
Jack Evans
>t. Joe Nice try
Jonathan Robinson
>No game can be art.
says who?
Dominic Rodriguez
Joe Rogan. Did you not read the OP?
Adam Nelson
"art" is putting form to the formless.
Landon Jones
>Mouse and keyboard. It's the only way to do it. Is he /ourguy/?
Daniel Howard
This is a piece of art by Mark Rothko that sold for 72.8 million dollars in 2007. Say something nice about it.
Dylan Jones
:^)
Angel Powell
Looks like a solid tf2 weapon skin
David Torres
>I don't understand contemporary art hur dur dur
Bentley Peterson
The art is about the artist, in many cases. And how many pieces the artist could make in his lifetime, that still exist.
Luis Moore
Joe Rogan had a podcast where he talked about bullshit art like that. Its actually a way for people to launder money. You can make an art studio and sell bullshit art at a crazy as fuck price, then buy it with dirty money to make clean money.
Matthew Gray
looks like an emblem any 12 year old retard could create in Halo 2
Parker Parker
Joe Rogan is a stupid fucking moron and he knows jack shit. His status means nothing and has done nothing for his brain or intellect.
Aaron Reyes
You think THIS is stupid? People pay fucking millions for a piece of cloth someone famous wore. Or a shitty prop from a movie just because it was filmed with a camera.
Luis Davis
nothing wrong with this piece you brainlet
William Gonzalez
Sontag would probably like a word with this man, right after she's done eating someones cootch.
William Ortiz
WHEN YA LOOK INTO IT
TOWER 7
Samuel Wilson
Art exists for it's own sake. Something isn't art if it serves a purpose. Games are a challenge.
Aiden Collins
I always love the critique of this kind of art that's "It's something anyone could do!" Which is true. But they didn't do it. The artist did.
Robert Morales
this is the dumbest explanation i ever heard
Are Dostoevsky books not art?
Josiah Bennett
can't wait for these fuckin retards to defend this one. hoooo boy, rothko. what a piece of shit.
Ayden Myers
Eddy, dude, why would you say something like that?
IM CRAZY, IM JUST HAVING FUN WITH IT
Kevin Fisher
I view game mechanics as an art. Video games will never be art in terms of story, graphics, or visuals. But the interactivity and creativeness of game mechanics makes games art.
Ryder Gutierrez
Wheres your counterargument? Oh you dont have one, you're just slandering his name for no apparent reason.
Thanks random guy on the internet, we should listen to a nobody like you instead.
Nicholas Lee
Because it's only worth this much because of who made it
If I painted the exact same thing it's value would have been 1
Jackson James
I bet Joe Rogan is a bottom
Xavier Williams
What the fuck would video games be, if NOT art? Why do people call things art as praise, and attempt withhold it as disapproval? Just say games are big-budget pulp and be done with it.
If OP uses a quote to start video game discussion, but attributes it to the wrong person and everyone talks about that person, is the thread not vidya?
Ian Rogers
A women shitting paint out of her vag is art, isnt the way games are made similar to way universes work, like line theory bull shit, is a world not art? Is like a """realm""" or space not art?Why does a women shitting shit out of her vagina count but a game based off of lovecraftian lore like bloodborne isn't
Its a possibility our entire existence is a computerized simulation, is our existence not a example of art?
Kayden Nelson
>Did he have a legitimate point?
no, because he just said "can never" without giving proper explanation as to why he feels that way. It's like saying someone has a legitimate point by telling you "because I said so".
Also this is Joe Rogan we're talking about so who knows how fried his brain is from various exotic drugs and honestly we shouldn't be taking his opinion with any ounce of seriousness as he's not an authority on anything beyond shitty 90s sitcoms.
Owen Edwards
I need to watch more Alex Jones
Jayden Powell
>Video games will never be art in terms of story, graphics, or visuals. Why? Why wouldn't Mother 3 or Shadow of the Colossus be considered art compared to whatever it is you call art, for example? Greenberg was a hack, don't tell me its because traditional forms of art can't be art anymore.
Levi Martinez
>people actually believe Joe Rogan said this
Ian Butler
he's right you know
Colton Wood
>I said something really fucking stupid >I will just no-comment eternally and pretend I’m smarter despite contradictory evidence being sent me literally on a daily basis.
He might even post here, he’d fit in so well.
Lincoln Foster
>Walk around the Museum of Modern Art, look at those masterpieces it holds by Picasso and Jackson Pollock, and what you are seeing is a series of personal visions. A work of art is one person's reaction to life. Any definition of art that robs it of this inner response by a human creator is a worthless definition. Art may be made with a paintbrush or selected as a ready-made, but it has to be an act of personal imagination.
>The worlds created by electronic games are more like playgrounds where experience is created by the interaction between a player and a programme. The player cannot claim to impose a personal vision of life on the game, while the creator of the game has ceded that responsibility. No one "owns" the game, so there is no artist, and therefore no work of art.
>This is the essential difference between games and art, and it precedes the digital age. Chess is a great game, but even the finest chess player in the world isn't an artist. He is a chess player. Artistry may have gone into the design of the chess pieces. But the game of chess itself is not art nor does it generate art – it is just a game.
Evan Bennett
I bet Ebert said that because he sucks at video games.
Grayson Peterson
Sauce? She's pretty ugly and fat but I still wanna see em.
Xavier Gonzalez
Because they're making the best of what they've gone without actually trying to make something timeless. Half the time not even delivering the game at a steady performance.
