What did you think of this character

What did you think of this character

She was alright. Probably my least favorite V3 character, but I wouldn't call her bad.

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>Character
What character?

Boring

Reminder cosplaypox is fake

1. It's fucking retarded
2. Tsumugi can change her appearance to dark skinned characters and change her form entirely. Kaede turned around when she showed her cosplaypox too.

Nice try. Come back when you have some evidence.

Tsumugi cosplays different skin toned characters and even does guys.
>lol dude the red skin means she's legit.
Do you trust criminals user?

the more important thing is that the V3 killing game itself was cosplay. She was copying something else.

SMOOOOOOOOOGY

I don't play DR but I knew the moment I saw her that I wanted porn made of her.
There is no porn made of her.

Agreed, even Amami calls it a pathetic copy in Japanese.
If he's such a huge fan why wouldn't he recognize the 16 teens and monokuma look alikes as a real Danganronpa since he's a huge fan.
That's what was done in all of them.
We've seen Monomi it's safe to say there may be more monokuma look alikes.

It's like if 16 of the world's biggest pokemon fans signed up for a pokemon contest for the next generation. They then were greeted by weird looking pokeballs and pikachu look alikes, but nobody recognised them or said that looks like pikachu.
It's suspicious as fuck.

Fucking slut.

>Tsumugi cosplays different skin toned characters
Yeah, because that's what her talent is. Cosplaying as characters. That isn't evidence for what you're trying to claim.

You're just misunderstanding the story.
Amami isn't a "huge fan", because he's the Ultimate Survivor of the previous killing game. His memories already got overwritten in Danganronpa 52.

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According to Tsumugi, Kaede IS a character, created by flashlights.
If she's not a character, then interviews are a lie. If she's a character, then cospox is a lie.

This. No matter what, Tsumugi is a lying bitch.

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Hard to rate her character when there's nothing to her.

>has no character development
>isn't mentioned most of the time
>has few character interactions
>is just in the background most of the time
>if you chat to her she says stuff like "I'm so normal and boring, don't pay attention to me!!!"
>you're still somehow meant to be surprised later
massive let down of a game

Weedman was also just there and he wasn't the mastermind

>implying weedman isn't the meta mastermind

He was relevant in 1-3, at least, and tries throwing out ideas or arguments during trials even if he's always wrong and gives up immediately. I don't even remember interacting with Tsumugi during any class trials outside of the cospox shit.

Common sense, why would Tsumugi lie about cospox?

Killing game is for entertainment. If she doesn't introduce cospox, then every single trial will grind to a halt as people go "WELL MAYBE TSUMUGI WAS IN DISGUISE" and the trial would go nowhere, that wouldn't make good television.

Hence, cospox is fake.

The problem with this logic is that you are already assuming that cospox is fake at the beginning of your argument. It's just circular reasoning.

She ends up being way more exciting after her big reveal.

It's the obvious answer. If you assume cospox is real you have to jump through the logic loopholes of what Tsumugi considers fiction or not, how she says she can't cosplay Kaede but she claims everyone else is already fiction.

There are no such problems if you assume cospox is a lie. The game is intentionally vague but it's an easier step to assume she was lying instead of trying to scoop up evidence to say that it was true.

I wish she would've gotten development like Maki/Himiko/Shuichi to make the reveal more surprising.

>Let's play: who's the mastermind?
>Is it the protagonist, whose development revolved around the previous protagonist's death and his partner (who also died)?
>Is it the writer's waifu, who also had a significant amount of development due to said partner?
>Is it the loli girl who went through an almost complete personality change after both of her friends died and strived to become a better person?
>Is it the robot who tried to shoot up the school?
>Or is it the girl who's been involved in absolutely nothing so far outside of being accused *once* in the third case for being part of the student council, has not even shown off any of her cosplays so far (whereas the other four have demonstrated their talents) and received absolutely 0 character development in the slightest and only exists to make obscure references?

desu I would've preferred Korekiyo as MM

To be fair every Danganronpa has had at least one surviving member who has done jack shit and has a boring 1 note personality so I didn't suspect Tsumugi at all.

V3's cast was kind of a letdown. This is just personal opinion, but I didn't really care for Himiko, Keebo, Tenko, Angie, Kaito, Gonta, Tsumugi, or Ryoma. They all didn't really make the game more enjoyable for me, which is a shame because the remaining cast is so fun.
Also the most boring class trials of the series, period. V3-1 and V3-4 are my least favorite cases in the franchise. Just boring and horribly drawn out. Game really nosedived after V3-3, though, and I'm one of the people who loathe the ending, so no points for that.

korekiyo was shit and suspicious from the start, i'd prefer he not live as long as he did, and you're either a memer or a faggot for wanting him to live longer than he did

Unironically kill yourself, Korekiyo was the most interesting character in the game.

You're making it more complicated than it actually is. There are no "logic loopholes" - Tsumugi can't use her cosplay to impersonate people that exist in the real world. Kaede exists in the real world. That's it.
I think the big problem here is that people are assuming that cospox being real or not is a choice the player is supposed to decide for themselves, rather than just being an established canon limitation to her powers. You don't need to "scoop up evidence" to prove cospox is real, because the game already tells us that it's real. If you want to say that it was a lie, you had better provide actual, hard evidence.

t. trapfag

You do have a point, but IIRC everyone had some sort of relevancy or at least attempt at development in 1/2.

>Yasuhiro suspected in the third and fourth case
>Toko had the genocider thing going on, as well has her "relationship" with Byakuya
>Aoi developed from Sakura's death

>Sonia had the Kazuichi/Gundham thing going on, as well as defending Chiaki during her trial and her going on about wanting to trust in others
>Kazuichi was a part of the above triangle, generic comedic relief and did help fix the elevator in CH4 at the very least. Probably most suspicious out of the bunch for MM
>Akane had Nekomaru's death to develop from and it was clear that the writers at least wanted her to have some development from this but it worked out terribly
>Fuyuhiko had 2-2/2-3 daily life

Are you retarded? Korekiyo's lifespan was fine - he was one of the most interesting characters in V3, and I was glad to have him live past chapter 2. I would've loved to see him MM the killing game as an attempt to observe humanity's true beauty or some shit, and have Tsumugi as the CH3 killer instead.

Question: Did anyone actually use their talents except for Miu and Angie?

>perfect murder
>seesaw
>perfect murder
>seesaw
>perfect murder
>seesaw
>goes with seesaw

He's the fucking best.

Gonta was able to pull off this stunt

I don't know if you're being serious user.
Do you not get it?
She can cosplay saihara and kaede in the tapes and could've done any murder and got away with it.
Her only alibi was that she can't do real people because of a disease which is fucking retarded.
There's no proof other other than her red skin that could be faked just as easily as seen by how good her cosplays are.

You're forgetting a certain nigga you motherfucker.

I could ask you the same thing. Are you being serious when you say cospox was a lie because you personally think it's "fucking retarded"? Your opinions are not evidence.

You're making the mistake of assuming everything the MAIN VILLAIN says is truth, just as brainlets assumed everything Junko says is truth despite being disproven in the sequels.

Don't just think about finding proof in-universe like it really happened. I'm basing my theory off of the epilogue. "Why would you assume something that was stated in-universe to be speculation as fact?" Well, have you played any of the previous games? The epilogues of all the previous games have been foreshadowing what actually ends up happening as seen in later games/material. If the writer was not suggesting that Tsumugi was at least partially lying about something, then why even have this scene? It's the same as in DR1 where Junko is like "the world is over and you'll die if you go outside" and Naegi's like "I have hope that it's not that bad" and they went outside and it was not that bad. In DR2 it was like "you will become despairs again and everyone who died will permanently stay in a coma" and Naegi was like "nah I'm sure they'll be fine" and in the anime they were fine. You could extend this to UDG with Monaca creating this situation that traps Komaru and Komaru is like "I'm sure this will eventually blow over" and then in the anime Monaca fucking gives up half way through the series so Komaru didn't even have to wait that long.

The epilogue of V3 suggests that Tsumugi was lying about at least some of the things. It specifically suggests that Junko and the Despairs were real people that existed, but she could cosplay them anyway. The way she cosplays seen in the cospox scene versus the magic "V3 eyes" in the last scene also suggest she wasn't actually using her talent in the prior scene.

I'm not gonna say it's definitive but I will insist that the proof (at least from a narrative sense) pointing to Tsumugi being a liar is strong. Assuming cospox is real just because she says it is makes about as much sense as assuming anything from Kokichi's dialogue.

kaede tickled some ivories let me tell you

>Room full of bugs
>let all the bugs loose
yeah, wow, such talent required

There's no proof for cosplaypox other than somebody who is the bad guy and wants the game to continue, saying she has it. She has nothing to back it up now. In fact if people think she can't cosplay it would help her out.

It's not an opinion, it's her alibi of a weird video game disease that only one person has, falling apart.

She said she can't cosplay real people because of a disease.
She then shows the disease because it's not something normal to have.
From this we believe she has a disease with her proof is her skin colour changing.
Later on we find out not only can she cosplay but do it so incredibly well she can change her skin colour.
We also find out she wants the game to continue and is the big bad, she has every reason to trick people into thinking she can't cosplay them.

From this we can say she could've changed her skin colour when she showed kaede. The text even says she turned around and waited for her to chamge.

cosplaypox has the same basis as a known seiral murderer saying he won't kill somebody, even though killing them would help him in many ways.

My problem with this is that she's never seen altering her appearence other than to turn herself into a different character completely, yet in the cospox scene she has kaede's clothes but no wig and her skin is all red, which is an amalgamation of elements that doesen't really mesh together into a cosplay so it wouldn't count thowards her talent
She's the Ultimate Cosplayer, not the Ultimate make up artist
Of course it doesen't hold up to real world logic but nothing in these games does anyway

Better after the reveal. It's a nice touch to have the main villain not give a fuck about even paying lip service to their own rules this time.

She was the weakest character of the cast, but that's alright, considering V3 had the strongest overall cast.

People can fake shit obviously.
Just because somebody is a amazing artist doesn't mean every painting is amazing. They can fake it, especially if it helps them avoid blame for a murder.

i thought she might have been the culprit of case 4 briefly, was considering that she had left the dining room to commit the murder and then lied about seeing miu to throw the case off, but it ended up being nothing.

Based on what I'm seeing here I'm pretty sure we've already argued about this topic before. If I wasn't able to convince you then, repeating myself now wouldn't do us any good. I just wanna say that using anything from the epilogue as proof is pretty flimsy since even Shuichi himself dismisses the idea right after he thinks of it.

>My problem with this is that she's never seen altering her appearence other than to turn herself into a different character completely, yet in the cospox scene she has kaede's clothes but no wig and her skin is all red, which is an amalgamation of elements that doesen't really mesh together into a cosplay so it wouldn't count thowards her talent
That was my point, she wasn't seriously trying to cosplay so the cospox thing doesn't look genuine.

>She's the Ultimate Cosplayer, not the Ultimate make up artist
You don't need to be an "ultimate" make-up artist to turn yourself pink. Make-up is part of cosplaying anyway, how else would she change her skin tone? I mean, it makes no sense that she can shrink to become Teru Teru but if we assume she literally has magic powers then turning herself pink would still be a trivial task.

Look at her official art here , I see make-up brushes. I'm sure she has the basic skills to turn herself pink.

I didn't like a single character in this game other than kaede and ouma.
The later was just another nagito.
Amami and shuichi were alright.

sure, his lifespan is fine. but your reasons for having him mastermind are really cliche, and that's saying something since this entire series is cliche.

>using anything from the epilogue as proof is pretty flimsy
About as flimsy as using anything from the epilogues of the previous games right? Those epilogue predictions weren't proven 100% right with a perfect track record so far right?

Like jeez, at least read my post.

Not him but you don't need to say she has paintbrushes to prove yourself, she can change her height and do tons of shit too she doesn't carru stilts or cut off her legs.

Yeah but the whole point is that for her to cosplay real people, she needed to lie about her talent in the first place and be something like an ultimate make up artist rather than an ultimate cosplayer, that's too many layers of lies with no proof whatsoever to support them
I agree that it's implied not everything she said in the end is true, but there would have been a million other wats for her or her team to fake the interview tapes or the audience reactions other than lying about the cospox shit

We know for the fact that Tsumugi participated in the previous game, where Amami survived. That means that she at least changed her identity, because otherwise it'd spoil who's the mastermind for viewers. So we can safely assume that Tsumugi is a fictional character, with her real identity being someone else. And if she wrote the scenario for V3, cospox scene definitely was there. And rare pink Tsumugi in Akamatsu's outfit appeared in that scene according to scenario, which means that Tsumugi could safely cosplay as a pink Tsumugi in Akamatsu's outfit.

>Implying Weedman wasn't actually the Mastermind
Literally everything he predicted ended up turning out correct, and that nigga outran Helicopter fire.

Hey, she was the first mastermind who actually ran the game and participated in it. She was too busy running around and creating mindhacc lanterns to try to make herself look unsuspicious.

I have read your post, you're the same guy who thought that Junko was lying about how bad the outside world was when it clearly was just as bad as she said.
This is what the epilogue for DR1 looked like, and obviously it didn't come true.

Once again there is no prpof for cosplaypox other than somebody established to be evil and big bad saying they have it and it would benefit them if people believed them. As the game would go on and people wouldn't immediately suspect her.
Her alibi of het proving she has a legit skin rash is out the door since she can change her appearance that well crumbling her alibi, all you have a liar's word.

Kiyo got a bunch of people to do his seance

Saihara

Wasn't Weedman supposed to be the original beta mastermind

that's the most convincing argument I have heard so far

>We know for the fact that Tsumugi participated in the previous game
This is not stated anywhere

my point was that every time she's shown changing her appearence, she's imitating a fictional character, i.e. cosplay
In the case of cospox, she is not imitating anybody. She supposedly just altered her appearence, which means her talent isn't ultimate cosplaying at all, she can alter her appearence regardless of cosplay, so her title as an ultimate cosplayer needs to also be a lie, which I guess you are free to believe but as I said there were other ways for them to fake stuff through the game other than her lying about cospox, there's a whole team of writers and producers involved

Everyone would be dead without Shuichi. Maybe It's possible that Kokichi could have taken up his job, but it's not like anyone would have believed him and he didn't even seem to want to be alive after 3-4. The real mystery is why did no one try to kill Shuichi?

More often than not Shuichi was never alone

Ah you got me, I am that guy. That post was an example of what I was saying in the previous discussion though. The world isn't as peaceful as they remember, but it is also a lot more peaceful than they assumed based on what Junko was describing. There are places untouched by despair, there's a force that's countering despair, enough of the world is left over to rebuild the world at the end of the third anime.

You're also arguing the semantics of "well this statement and that statement didn't come true" while I'm arguing about the narrative intent of writing the epilogue in the first place. Rather than focus on the exact words of each statement, what was the overall theme and message of the whole epilogue scene?

I'm not saying everything that Shuichi speculates is true, but I am saying that the point of the epilogue is to signal to the audience that you can't trust everything that Tsumugi said. There's wiggle room for lies, and if we accept that she's capable of lying then it's easier to assume cospox was a lie than try to rationalize exactly how it works and who it applies to.

It just seemed silly to me that people would assume everything that Junko says is the truth. This goes doubly true for Tsumugi who A) has no motives other than "put on a good TV show" and B) the entire game she is in is themed around lies and lying.

Tsumugi designates a protagonist at the start of the killing games and uses MIND HAC- I mean flashlights to implant a suggestion to not kill them. Killing games are actually rigged, tell your friends.

IIRC someone mentions how Shuichi should be careful because he's the most valuable member during trials, but nothing ever came of it.

>she's imitating a fictional character, i.e. cosplay
Just how hard do you think making a fictional character is?
>"Now I'm cosplaying a fictional character that looks like me but has an intense allergic reaction to Kaede's sweater"

>there were other ways for them to fake stuff through the game other than her lying about cospox, there's a whole team of writers and producers involved
What? Like how? How else would you introduce the character "ultimate cosplayer" and then demonstrate that she can't use elements of cosplay to impersonate someone to commit a murder? I bet whatever thing you think up on the spot would be more work than just Tsumugi slapping some makeup on and pretending she gets sick when she tries to impersonate someone.

Heh, I recognize that line of reasoning as well but I'm too tired to type up full paragraphs of inane argument again. Your reasoning is based off probabilities. It's possible that Smoogy lied, and it's possible she didn't, but the previous games' endings and resolutions don't necessarily predict V3's.

My line of reasoning is based on what the narrative indicates from a meta perspective.

I've said this before, I'm not saying I am true with 100% certainty. I am saying that there is enough intentional doubt cast that you can't say that cosplox was definitively real just because she says it is.

Do you not see the irony of the character than can freely alter her appearance trying to prove that her abilities have limits... by altering her appearance?

We'll just have to wait and see if it's resolved by other iterations in the franchise which will be, in the spirit of your argument based on previous entries, of complete detriment to Smoogy's character as it trivializes bith the intended effect of V3's conclusion and undermines her competency as a mastermind.

You can't be serious

>undermines her competency as a mastermind.
I don't think she was meant to be set up as being that competent? Like, the entire killing game almost went to shit right off the bat. If she had complete control over their memories and personality, you'd think she would craft the situation with a bit more care to make sure at least one of them had enough motivation to start the killing game.

I don't think the later games are of any detriment to Junko's character (aside from the anime sweet jeezus). It was never about Junko being truthful or not as she was always set up as a master manipulator, and the point was that everyone believed her in the moment (aside from protagonist because hope).

I was only showing the epilogue from DR1 since you brought it up.
Personally, I don't think the purpose of the epilogue was to make us think Tsumugi lied. The part where Shuichi questions her words is just a small segment, it's not the main focus. They actually throw around a lot of different ideas, saying things like "maybe Danganronpa still continues" "maybe the outside world is also fictional" and it just leads to a big speech about the truth and lies in general. To me, it seems more likely that that's what the epilogue was about.
Tsumugi lying in the final trial doesn't make sense to me either. You said her motive was to put on a good TV show, so you already believe her somewhat. If she's going to go as far as the reveal the fact that they are on TV, it doesn't make sense for her to suddenly start lying again about things. What left does she have to hide? Would the truth not suit her goals?

>aside from the anime sweet jeezus
Yeah that's what I was referring to specifically, and not only that but the way the Monaca was completely defanged. As a Junkofag, I can tell you that if you like Smoogy, this is the last time you want to see her in pretty much any capacity if you want to retain any respect for her character; because I can almost personally guarantee you it only will get worse for her from here on out- and whatever competency she did have, will further be compromised. Hell, Junko fucking killed herself and it still got worse for her.

Again, it's not about ALL truths or ALL lies. The whole point of the ending was that mix of truth and lies, how it can be impossible to separate them and how even lies can be as strong as truth if they impact the world.

So my whole argument was that we accept that lies are a part of the equation, so cospox could be a lie. I add that it is probably a lie because she had a good reason to lie at that moment. I come out with this show of defense because some people like to insist "nuh uh cospox is real" and the reason is "because she said so!!!!" How does that make sense?

It makes sense to me for her to both reveal the truth and start telling lies, because she's making a TV show. She comes off as the kind of person to say anything just to keep the ball rolling, she was trying to instill them with the deepest despair so that they would either crack or defeat it with hope like they always do, it just happens to backfire this time when Shuichi doesn't react as she expects him to.

You might be projecting too much onto me. I like Tsumugi and find her character fascinating, but not because she's some "super powerful genius mastermind stronger than Junko". She's so interesting to me because she's flawed. She wants to be just like her big bad and walk in her foot steps, but I felt V3 set her up to be less competent from the get-go than Junko or Monaca. She has far more power and control over the killing game than Junko did in the first game, yet she constantly fucks up like the monokids messing up one of the motives, almost failing the entire killing game forcing her direct intervention, right down to being like "Even if you choose hope and defeat me I still win!" and yet the protagonist chooses neither hope nor despair. It's so interesting to me that Junko died with a smile on her face while Tsumugi dies with a look of dissatisfaction and disappointment.

Also whether the sequels rape her character isn't relevant to the argument anyway.

I love Junko!

I was just expressing my exasperation and bellyaching over the whole ordeal really, not necessarily assuming anything about you on a personal level and it was irrelevant of course.

>Celeste kills two people to micromanage the perfect keikaku
>Mikan kills two people because oh fug a second person walked in on her
>Korekiyo kills two people because he really really wanted to show off his sick seesaw murder
Which Case 3 had the best reason for double homicide and why is it Kiyo?

His SEESAW memes and dead-cest single handedly saved his case from the shitty third case syndrome.

Fair enough. I suppose if you fell in love with a character for specific qualities, and then the sequels changed those qualities, I'd be pretty pissed too.

I dunno, I'd be bummed if they did an about face and turned Tsumugi into some genius supervillain when the whole game was showing that she's just a wannabe, but then again it would be fucking cool to have a recurring supervillain in a murder mystery series that is a fucking shapeshifter.

I mean they could bring her back, something something clones, something something flashback and makeup.

Would you still be interested in her if she was programmed and given false talent and motive, effectively excusing her of her actions? Presumably, Smoogy participated in V2 to some extent, it's possible she was given her talent and personality then; and it's possible that she was given her talent, personality and official duty as mastermind before V3 begin- false memories included. Along the same lines, do you think that any of the characters were morally responsible for what happened with the game, if you can suspend belief and assume that their entire character was invented?

It's because fiction itself can be thought of as a lie. Saying that lies can be as powerful as the truth, and change the world ties into the ending of V3 where fiction (a lie) was able to affect reality (the truth). It's also kind of a nice message from the author of the work of fiction we're enjoying, because I like to think that Danganronpa has affected my life too. That's what the epilogue felt like to me. Not "Tsumugi was lying about how her superpower works".

You say that Tsumugi has a good reason to lie, because cospox being real helps to move the show along smoothly. And it's true, since accusing Tsumugi of being able to cosplay as real people in every trial would be bad TV. But don't you think you could also apply that reason to real life? Couldn't Kodaka himself had added cospox to HIS story? If Tsumugi just said "oh I don't cosplay as real people" we might not believe it. But to go out of the way to write a specific scene with a CG and voiced dialogue everything to prove cospox as real, makes me think that we are just intended to accept it as real.

As for Tsumugi lying in the final trial, again, it doesn't make sense because if she has to lie to make them feel despair, that means that the truth wouldn't fill them with despair. She would have to consciously choose to make up a lie rather than tell the truth. If Junko was real, why not just tell them that she was real? If the world outside isn't peaceful, why not just tell them that? They would still be in despair, it would still be an interesting show. Not to mention that none of the audience members ever seem to contradict what she says, and they certainly would know the truth.

>we are just intended to accept it as real.
Well yeah, because that was the point of the act both in and out of universe. And then the point of the ending was to call everything into question. Both from Tsumugi and Kodaka's perspective, you needed to believe in cospox up until the final trial, and then the final trial calls into question everything you thought you knew. Both from Tsumugi and the author's perspective, tricking the audience is sometimes necessary as part of the act, also see all of chapter 1. There is as much evidence that cospox as there is reason for it not to be real: because everything was a lie and ultimately it doesn't matter whether it was the truth or not.

>As for Tsumugi lying in the final trial, again, it doesn't make sense because if she has to lie to make them feel despair, that means that the truth wouldn't fill them with despair.
What does it matter if the truth does or does not fill them with despair? She wanted them to be filled with despair and she was willing to say any number of truth, lies, half truths, half lies, exaggerations or downplayed facts to get to that goal. IT'S NOT ABOUT ALL LIES OR ALL TRUTH THE FUCKING THEME OF THE GAME IS THE MIX OF TRUTH AND LIES AND HOW IT DOESN'T MATTER.

>Not to mention that none of the audience members ever seem to contradict what she says, and they certainly would know the truth.
Given that the audience is intangible outside of the situation Tsumugi set up, that excuse is extremely weak. What if the audience were all AIs like every monokuma variant in the game? What if they were a planted studio audience as part of Team DR? What if the audience to the killing game is not everyone in the world, just freaks who check the deepweb for the snuff film reality TV show? What if the audience don't know people are actually dying and think it's just the show being meta like how the actual game V3 goes meta?

>Would you still be interested in her if she was programmed and given false talent and motive, effectively excusing her of her actions?
In this case yes, doubly so. It's like what the ending says about lies being as powerful as truth. Assume Smoogy is not a real person, she is a personality and living weapon created by Team Danganronpa using a mix of memory fuckery and whatever the fuck they did to make Izuru. Smoogy the physical person is those not responsible for her actions, but the Smoogy personality could be considered a separate "person", one that can independently replicate and be copied into any other body almost like the Junko AI. It's not the same as what they did with Junko because of the idea of implanting fake identities, but I would find the idea of Smoogy being this evil personality that can be implanted into new people super interesting.

>Along the same lines, do you think that any of the characters were morally responsible for what happened with the game, if you can suspend belief and assume that their entire character was invented?
Along the same lines, I suppose it depends on whether you consider who they were and who they became to be the same or separate people. I personally see them as distinct existences, who they were before doesn't matter (but are also guilty if those videos are correct and they all signed up for this), but who they are during the killing game is the new "them" and is real in their own context.

I love Kirumi!

Regrettably I'm too tired to respond in any meaningful fashion other than thanking you for entertaining my hypotheticals. Have a good night, ultimate killing game fan.

I think you guys read too deep into this. Let's not forget Kodaka is a person as well and might have forgotten/not cared enough about cospox and how it relates to Mugi cosplaying at the end.

Thanks, you too Junkofan!

Yeah I know. It's fun tho.

>There is as much evidence that cospox as there is reason for it not to be real:
This is where I have to disagree with you. The fact that we see cospox is a pretty big piece of evidence in my eyes. The only thing "cospox is fake" has going for it is the idea that all the evidence that says cospox is true could be faked.
>because everything was a lie and ultimately it doesn't matter whether it was the truth or not.
For something that doesn't matter, there sure are a lot of people desperate to proclaim it as a lie. The only reason why I care to argue so much about cospox is that I know that 99% of the people who claim it was fake are just saying it because otherwise cospox contradicts their theories about the audition videos, or Danganronpa not being fictional, etc. It's also a big part of what little character Tsumugi has, so seeing it thrown out for the sake of fan theories bothers me a bit.

>What does it matter if the truth does or does not fill them with despair?
Because if the truth would make them feel despair, she wouldn't have to lie to make them feel despair. People lie because they don't want to say the truth.

>Given that the audience is intangible outside of the situation Tsumugi set up, that excuse is extremely weak.
We see the audience in this CG, several times. The fact that Makoto from the pre-chapter scene is there lets you know that this scene is real, and isn't just something like Shuichi's imagination of what he thinks the audience is like or anything like that.

So were the prologue and last chapter ultimately all that really mattered?
Everything else just feels like meaningless fluff in hindsight

I guess it depends on how you define "meaningless". Thirteen people died, that seems important to me.
From a real world perspective, you got to solve five murder cases, which is pretty much Danganronpa's selling point.

>Thirteen people died
Twelve, robots are not people.

Can someone give me the original image of this post? I swear I had it saved.