This game is actually dead

And good fucking riddance I say, been going downhill since 7.00, the decrease in player base shows this, the constant server crashes the new awful badge system the constant bugs, valve really had the best game ever and they have ruined it by trying to copy other stuff, now come On you valve white knights come and defend this shit.

Other urls found in this thread:

dotabuff.com/players/146629043/activity
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

nobody is gonna defend it
valve fanboys are the people who liked valve for their FPS games
DOTA fans are DOTA fans, and nobody likes nu-DOTA

this is my dota profile
I've had matches turned public the entire time

dotabuff.com/players/146629043/activity

Cosmetics and badges mean nothing. Valve doesn't ruin games by doing that, they ruin them by abandoning them. They don't work on the games. One guy maintains a game. All new content is community made. Valve is making a lot of money by doing this, so it won't change. It leads to shit quality updates, but why would they stop?

Do you recommend rushing bloodstone on Techies?

They dont even care if game dies, because they have steam anyway.

Valve is really fucking up and reddit isn't helping

Dota 2 keeps getting gigantic gameplay updates that alienated the established playerbase, what the fuck are you talking about?

Man, i dont even think switching stats for talents was a bad idea, but it was so poorly implemented at the time

you had some cores that get picked all the time with crazy good talents at lvl 20~~25 and supports with meme shit like +200 attack speed

its a little bit better since the last update, but too late i guess

I have no idea whats changed in the past X months
however, in previous versions: Yes absolutely
techies is limited primarily by mana and bloodstone is the best mana item. It can be easily farmed from the jungle. Techies is a shit hero if you leave him starved for items/mana and perpetually behind, but he's at his best when you farm the bloodstone and begin flooding the map with so many traps that it becomes fatal for enemies to move around, which constrains them into their base, stops enemy pushes whenever your team dies, and keeps giving you more attempts to rubber band the game if you're behind
bloodstone -> aghanims usually

the other option was to jungle from level 1 and get a 6 minute blink dagger and go suicide like a maniac

i don't think anyone will defend current dota.

they made changes to attract new players but there aren't any, and the existing playerbase is gradually getting more and more annoyed. even 9pasha from VP went as far as to call it a dead game while being one of the very best offlaners in the world on one of the best and consistenly successful teams for close to 2 years now.
pros don't have many sweet words left for dota but they can't leave because it's their entire life and career, and seeing someone get tilted at every little thing, abandoning games, waiting hours for a game to pop or simply the complete lack of enthusiasm pros and popular streamers have for dota 2 won't attract anyone to come play this game.

Playing DOTA is just so tiresome now. I don't have the energy nor the patience to tolerate it any longer. DOTA lost its charm.

Last time I played was techies release, was fun with a buddy going seven and just stun suiciding for kills every 2 seconds

I have no idea wtf they did with the game since then I saw some weird talent stuff and the map changed into a clusterfuck

I started playing after 7.00 so I don't find much wrong with it

>Dota
>best valve game
XD

you dont know the meaning of the word dead, dumb fuck

I think they made changes to keep it fresh and try and improve the game, but people don't want change for the sake of change and alot of the bullshit doesn't make the game better, just different

jungling a 6 minute dagger was pretty hot shit

still better than league or hots and each international gets higher prize pool kys

>each international gets higher prize pool
not for long

>at least it's better than shit and vomit

/thread

Valve's dota devs got bored and walked into the Artifact development chamber, just like the TF2 devs migrated to dota when it was new and exciting
once that dies I guess they'll make an MMO to try to compete with Blizzard on yet another front

It peaked in 2013/14 tbqh The desth knell was the new client

literally plebbit the game

Just because the game gets your knickers twisted doesn't mean it's dead user, it's doing fine I'm afraid

Too many new items
Talents
Too many new heroes
New map

It is too different to what it was when I started

>offlane gets fucked so hard there's only a handful of viable offlaners left
>jungle dumpstered so there's only a handful of viable jungle heroes
>supports rewarded more than ever for just staying near one lane
>games are either 31 minute stomps or 60+ minutes of fucking nothing

how much of my 7.x experience is based off of my low unranked MMR

Valve doesn't have the discipline to ever make a successful MMO, it relies too much on adding new content and constant support unlike Dota or TF2 which just have self-contained matches.

don't be negative man

here's a very funny webm I watched of a few seconds of gameplay

I reposted it after seeing it somewhere else and thinking it was the coolest stuff ever

but can you believe net neutrality is gonna get overturned OMG please upvote me so we can stop ajit pai

>jungle dumpstered so there's only a handful of viable jungle heroes
does jungling even exist at all after the changes? It used to be you could jungle literally any hero from level 1, even spectre, and you'd farm 16 minute radiance
then I heard they removed iron talon, shat on the camp locations and rewards but added shrines so it kinda evened out then removed shrines and then removed camps spawning at all at start

jungling is for lol players

>christmas patch
>everything is outsourced to community
>no winter theme map which has been a tradition in dota since fucking forever
It's quite clear that Valve doesn't give two shits about this game anymore.

Jungle only hasn't been viable ever since they nerfed gold and exp gains from camps. If you see junglers in your games you are playing in the lowest of mmr brackets. Chen is an exception but even as Chen you are forced to roam a lot more now.

Every valve game in a nutshell desu

it's still the GOAT moba but Sup Forums hates mobas because theyre shit at videogames

...

jungling was viable all through 7.00 until iron talon removed
you just had to know what you were doing
and even the pros had no clue how to do it right, jungling is something that took strategy and mechanics knowledge, not just copying each other

They really should have given an option where when you put someone on ignore, they are removed from your que.
HoN did it.
No reason dota shouldn't have done it.

>does jungling even exist at all after the changes?

The traditional ones are still out there like Chen, Enchantress and Enigma.

was nice to take a solo lane if i had a hero that could do it safely. Only a few randos I've played with can play a trilane without shitting the bed (assuming it was all random players) but any retard could fuck off into the jungle and just not feed for x minutes.

did the skill trees get added to dota1?

>Too many new heroes
Try 5 in 2 years, memeherder

That would make queues longer and they of course don't want that

6.83 was the last patch that was released for both dota 1 and dota 2. That came out like two and half years ago.

no one will defend it at this point.
i stopped after early 2016 because the writing had been on the wall for a long time.
people don't take it seriously, but reddit did a lot of fucking harm to this game and the real community got fucked over.
i'll always remember those 2012-2015 years though because after tf2 it was the funnest online experience you could play.

caveman here that stopped after the talents "fix"(no meme talents and what not)
what did they exactly do this time? i feel like you cant leave dota, you just stop playing it for some time and naturically come back

>Look up twitch
>HS, fortnite and even fucking OW are on top of Dota2

Twitch does measure game popularity so that shows how much Dota2 has declned. Before League and Dota2 where close, now they could not be more far apart. If fucking HoTS or WoW surpass Dota2 then it's over.

The game's still great imo

Quality is always far better then quantity
Making in an option at least would let the player decide if they want long waits for good games or shorter waits for shittier matches.

cant the community make a custom map that keeps the game on a pre 7.00 patch?

No. Because Valve breaks almost every custom game every single time a patch is released.

>Twitch does measure game popularity

lol says who, by that logic dota is the most popular game during TI

also who cares if games which feature a lower common denominator are more popular

It's night time in Europe and most of the viewers for this game are from there. Now show me average viewer counts from november and then I'll trust your word.

Why would anyone watch twitch when Dota has a GOD TIER spectating client, I watch my friends in-game, they watch me, shit like that. Or you can find a pro game naturally that's not being streamed.

Talents were a mistake
Fountains were a FUCKING mistake

Talents are good faggot, or do you seriously prefer +2 stats over another balancing feature which makes for more interesting abilities and choices.

No one said popular games were good dotard, the discussion was if dota2 is declining in popularity, and it is and that's proof on it. Dota 2 could have 0 viewers and you guys would be defending it saying it doesn't matter when it does.

>+30 stats

talents aren't the issue, and if you think they are you are a 14er.

>twitch is proof of popularity
fucking lol where's all the CoD streamers and minecraft streams topping the charts or FIFA or some shit

whats with this dead meme, it hasn't even fallen off the steam charts

>have a perfect cosmetic item drop system
>change it and make acc levels useless
>be the first game of an entire genre
>start copying systems from shittier games
>have an almost perfect map
>fuck it up
>every new event nickel and dime players
Gee I wonder why.

It's still the same for this patch. Rush bloodstone and then aghanim. All you need on techies is tp, mana regen, and aghanim (for remote mine).

Why are you using Steam to begin with?

acc levels were always useless newfag

>bloodstone

pffft ahahaha shows you don't play techies

>were always useless
Each level gave you a guaranteed item, PLUS the random drops after each match. What, too new to remember that?

>each

fake news

All the FIFA/sports game guys are on Youtube, and all the Minecraft people just make Youtube videos and get millions.
Which version of the map was "perfect"? They've done several major Roshan changes for instance since Dota 2 alone. Would you really like it back next to Dire T1? I remember people saying the map/game was perfect around 6.76 too

they did at the start, 2012-ish

And meanwhile a billion VODs of Dota are on youtube but you don't consider that OR the fact the spectating client in-game is naturally superior in nearly every way? But noooo twitch is my god! End all be all! Games are made and broken by twitch chat!

t. Trenchies

They changed the map to look like LoL, game fucking sucks now. Who want's to waste an hour of their life playing one game?

>to look like LoL

now this is some bullshitting

what WAS the mistake that killed dotuh then?

the gameplay is still good, it's just that as can be seen with this latest "event", valve gives zero shits about the game.

>Who want's to waste an hour of their life playing one game?
Anyone who spends more than an hour playing video games? Cumulatively or otherwise?

No need to use twitch, just check steam charts and you can see the decline. Let's hope doesnt even get 1 million on march next year (and never again).

steamstats for dota don't include china.

>tfw I only play dota imba right now
>tfw it's fun and since the playerbase is so low your suggestions have a tangible chance of making it into the game

>ever playing moba
bad.

>Second most played game on steam
>Dead
Glad nowhere uses the Sup Forums definition of dead, otherwise the majority of this planet would be dead.

I knew this would happen because I already experienced it with TF2. Valve mercilessly keep shitting on every good game they have.

dying would be the more accurate term

I came back to Dota 2 after a 3 year break and I was pretty shocked at how bad it's become. League is genuinely more enjoyable now, where before it seemed like Dota 2 was roughly the same (or a bit better) with more depth.

>League
>enjoyable

ahahaah what fucking season are you smoking son, league to dota, no regrets

>>-1-2 and jungler every game
>>>>same game every game, lane for 15-20 minutes and 5v5 teamfight around mid for '''objectives'''
>surrendering at 20 because someone fed
>people being reported for item builds all the time
>people being reported for not picking a proper champion for X role
>like 40 hours to get one champion (ENJOYABLE)

you don't play even dota how can you judge lmao

Dota 2 card game

Pretty much this.
They have motto "it's ready when it's ready" which basically means "it's ready when we feels like it.

Blizzard's Metzen quit because he had too many works and wanted to take time off. However, Marc Laidlaw, HL2's lead writer, quit because there's nothing else to do besides writing flavor text on fucking cosmetics which won't contribute anything at all to the gameplay. This will show you the perspective of Valve's work ethic. Too bad Blizzard passed the opportunity to bought dota1 back when it's in infancy. Valve is lucky enough that Icefrog wanted to work with them and boost their steam to the most popular platform in the world(third worlder and china now know about it)

>tfw you pick ursa and enjoy a nice game of slapping people

the last nail in the coffin

literally THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN's fault

I'm just waiting for the bugs to be worked out before I go back, playing comfy elite in the meantime and working on my backlog

JFC, don't.

Unless you are balling so hard that you see no foreseeable self-denys for the rest of the game, forget Bloodstone. A Kaya and a useful Int item like Euls does a fuckton more, and the +6 mana talent does the same thing without disappearing the moment you have to deny or get stunlocked to death.

I've been getting the urge to return but I must complete my actual work first...

>valve fanboys are the people who liked valve for their FPS games
a long time ago. we're a dying/dead breed
the new valve fanboys are actually steam fanboys, and shill the steam sale shit all the time, and don't care about the FPS games
old valve fanboys are jaded, and now hate Valve (or are still in denial)

Need to start building HoTD more again I think

...

I really wish Spectre wasn't completely worthless in lane, but then I suppose it wouldn't be balanced, yet TB is allowed to be a thing

...

...