ITT: weapons that don't get featured in games often enough

ITT: weapons that don't get featured in games often enough

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Well they're sorta stupid and not historical at all so it makes sense they're rare. For Honor makes some sense of them though.

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spears

reminder that swords were the pistols of medieval times, just some light weaponry for self-defense, in actual war swords fucking suck.

That's a myth. Sword-using islamists easily defeated christian armies until they become smart enough to use swords too.

>not historical at all
they did exist, but they were rarely ever used since they suck as a weapon
a regular mace or warhammer was easier to use and not dangerous for yourself and your allies

A drawing of some monk who has never seen a battle in his entire life isn't really evidence but yes they existed and were pretty retarded.

And they say the crusades were uncalled for.

Poleaxes that aren't disgustingly oversized garbage

>christian armies
>shows map of regions taken over by some barbarians from the north after Rome fell.

Think it was meant to be more of a psychological weapon than a practical one. Seeing that spiked ball go round and round in ther air could definitely instill fear in someone and could be a good distraction if they keep their eyes on the spinning metal

for most of human history the spear has been the primary weapon

>Kingdom of the Franks
I'm terrified at the thought of a kingdom poblated entirely by Frank Castles

Main characters that use something other than swords. It's been alleviated a little bit in recent years but most still use 1-h swords.

>tfw no main character who faces animu swordsmen, watching them twirl shit and then just whips out a 50cal pistol and wastes 'em.
There really should be a jRPG that's painfully self-aware with a main character that questions the outlandish and impracticality of tropes and the like in said games.

One of the reasons is probably because they are fucking tough to execute. You either gotta make very precise and natural animations or rely on a physics engine.

Chakrams.

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Well they weren't featured much in history as well. The few people who actually used them were people to avoid on a battlefield for both sides.

>muh combat pragmatism
If you can use a sword and beat people with guns, why use a gun?

Whatever mate, have fun trying to reach me.

>beat people with guns
That's a great idea! it would be like guts on that "it's not REALLY a sword, more like a slab of iron" only it's such a huge and impractical gun, that it doesn't even shoot bullets, but he pistolwhips them to death.

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Depends on the location, time period and the type of sword
Swords being way overblown doesn't mean you should diminish their place in history
And like who even uses spears in the 16th century, like lmao wtf u duin nigga

That's not a pole-axe , that's a pike. I think he's talking about this ridiculous anime sized scythe pole-axes.

An English longbowman of the 14th century could afford a sword a day on his wages iirc
Swords only have that status thing because of the early medieval era tbqh
A war horse is a much bigger status symbol

This fucking thing was awesome in mount and blade

god yes. amalur made chakram so flashy and fun it makes me sad that negative fucking games use them

*defeats your pike formation*

You forgot *dies in the process*

Called "Forlorn Hope" for a reason, senpai.

Wew for some reason I thought OP was a sword for some reason
Yeah fuck going near the dumb asshole who decided to bring a flail, give me a polehammer

Only works on moose so kinda impractical

Sorry, I thought he said pole-arm.

Zweihanders were specifically designed to defeat pike formations. If they were ineffective, they wouldn't have stuck around.

I never understood that, so were they used to specifically cut pikes in half?

Urumi

Whips? I guess.

See , though technically a whip-sword.

They are literally bats with shards of glass in them

And a spear is literally a stiick with a pointy bit at the end, what's your point?

They exist in Worlds of Ultima: The Savage Empire.
IIRC they're the best non-gunpowder weapon you can make.

I've always thought they're absolutely brutal. A hit from one would shave the flesh clean off your arm or leg.

A pike formation is basically a vertical spike trap, you can't just deflect a few with a shield and run through or some shit. The greatswords were swung around the user in a figure-8 formation, deflecting and mostly destroying pikes in the way, allowing them to run in and get killed by the pikemens' sidearms of choice. That's what I've gathered from casual conversations at least.

Kotal Khan used them

It'd doo more then shave the flesh off.

they're literally terrifying if you're not wearing full steel plate

More like they were rarely used because you need to have actual skill to use them.

No they did not cut the pikes, if anyone tells you it did ask for a credible source then watch the lack of replies
Troops with big swords would be used to try and break pike formation cohesion up to my knowledge
Zwiehander (15th-16th century classic german style) has been memed too much

Sort of tangential. but I learned recently that a lot of pre-inca cultures in south america like the Moche (who were around from 100-800 AD) had huge ass Mesopotamian style temples like that that are pretty fucking rad, and with pretty amazing frescos and murals in them too. Go look up some of the murals/fresco's/carvins in Hauca de la Luna and Hauca de Brujo/Cao Viejo , legimately looks like the shit you'd see in Roman frescos in terms of artistry.

A good amount of the cities at the time were fairly urbanized as well and decently large, with thousands to tens of thousands of people.

Gideon's weapon in Magic: The Gathering is a sural, so they're relatively well-known, albeit not in videogames.

men at arms were plenty skilled

Lmao, all those kniggas training since childhood as a martial cornerstone of medieval european society, they didn't have true skill

Which most of the conquistadors weren't, since full suits of plate had already mostly been phased out by that point, and since the conquistadors themselves were poor and couldn't really afford great equipment, and the ones that did have steel armor mostly switched it out for native fiber armor, which was sort of like kevlar, and was way lighter and better suited to the climate while still being very effective.

Pointing a spear in the general direction of the enemy along with a hundred of your buddies is not skill.
True skill comes in 1v1 battles

They weren't used a lot due to the risk of you braining yourself or your mates if you weren't extra careful about where you swung it. Also, you needed a ton of empty space around you to swing one, so they were pretty useless in close quarters. Plus, you risked losing one if it embedded or tangled in somebody's shield and they pulled back hard (unlike a regular mace, which had smooth faces and would slide away).

>fairly urbanized

pre-contact S/CA was insanely metropolitan

Full suits of plate were not at all phased out at that point

a man-at-arms is not a levied peasant you inbred retard

They discovered that cuirasses were a bitch to maintain in the swampy terrain around Lake Texcoco. The metal would quickly start to pit and rust, and the leather straps would rot and fall off.

Are you mentally inept friend?

>Levying peasants
Are you insane or French or something?
Who will work the fields?
Cannon fodder is the city trash's job

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bannockburn
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Golden_Spurs

Have fun dying in a half-planned poorly thought out charge.

My understanding is that they were being so, can you post sources/links if that's incorrect?

Is also not explicitly a trained fighter.

French Gendarme lasted well into the 1500s.

>can't admit I'm right
>better call him names

What does this have to do with chained flails you mongo?

Like what, it's fairly common knowledge
Literally just Google it and the designs that were made, the late 1400s and early 1500s was when plate armor was in its prime
Early 15th and 14th century was the transitional plate era, late 16th and 17th you see a lot more half and 3/4 everywhere, but plate was alive and well, and at no more time than the early 16th century

It's crime free and the 2nd Amendment is encouraged, what's not to love?

>we don't live in the timeline where the Conquistadors weren't being asshats, and latin america continued to develop with native culture, history, and infrastructure intact and never went to shit due to colonialism
>we don't live in the timeline where those cultural practices, myths, architecture, and history is preserved, common knowledge, and influences games/movies/other media

feels bad man. Even if dieases still BTFO'd all the natives we'd still have more historical records and intact cities/ruins and books if they didn't chimp out and burn/destroy them all

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>We don't live in the timeline where the Americas had their own medieval history and built its own civilizations and culture instead of a bunch of stupid savage natives who lived with abundance of food and water, killing each other all the time for fun
It hurts a lot to have no history to be proud of.

>just some light weaponry for self-defense, in actual war swords fucking suck.
stop trying to talk like you know a lot about medieval warfare, you dont and its embarrassing

Not many games let you be pretty much a expy of The Big O.
Also drills

Also fun fact, 'bullet'proof breastplates were made a lot, they also worked against contemporary weaponry

Castlevania features the flail a lot.

Well which one Sup Forums?

8, 12 or 17

14 feels like the most embarrassing to be killed by

Yup, you were basically invulnerable to pistols when wearing one. Arquebuses was iffier, but many curasses had a keel with angled faces, so bullets tended to glance off.

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10 all day.

Aztecs are basically jungle romans except they were late compared to people literally on the otherside of the planet so they got fucked by them once they figured out how to reach the otherside

Yep, although later mounted pistoleers could be real fuckers about how they shoot your ass
Also wouldn't be nice to wear a non bulletproof breastplate and to have it penetrated, that would have real been a nasty way to go
I always think people underestimate armor though, even chain and gambesons

Halberds

>captcha: doset gun club

Who the hell do you think we are?

The old school MMORPG Dark Age of Camelot feature a lot of these weapons.

Flail cavalier is my favourite BG2 class

man the conquistadors were nothing compared to the diseases. regardless of what else happened, having god damn everyone die changes everything

the black death was merciful compared to what happened to the american indians

>I always think people underestimate armor though, even chain and gambesons
Especially mail & gambeson, people act like nothing short of plate was worth wearing.

u wot

Both Mesoamerica and the Andes had actual civilizations with cities and organized state goverments for thousands of years before the conquistadors showed up; even by like 200 AD in Mexico you had hugeass cities with 100,000+ people, with plumbing and urban apartment complexes, plazas, courtyards, etc.

Mesoamerica and the Andes were generally on par with bronze age cultures like ancient egypt or mesopitmia in most ways, and classical/iron age ones like the greeks and romans in a pretty good amount of ways as well. In a few they were outright on par with or ahead of 16th centuary europe, even: The Aztecs had fucking absurd hydraulic/waterworks systems and sanitary/hygienic measures, easily some of the best in the world at the time, as well as their captial being on par with the largest cities in europe.

If not for the fact that they didn't have horses, and didn't have as much geographic room to expand or as many other regions to compete and trade with as eurasa, they easily would have been on par with europe and asia at any given point. You actually had civilizations developing around 20,000 years faster in the Amercias then in eruasia relative to the time humans first arrived in each location: Humans arrived in europe and asia around 50k years ago, but you only had civilizations coming around by like 4000-3000BC, is like 40,000 year gap, which is wheras humans first got to central and south america at 15k years ago but had early civilizations coming around only 12-14,000 years later.

Aztecs weren't in the jungles, m8, they were in central mexico, it's mostly temperate and dryish plains and valleys. The empire itself obviously had territory that stretched into the more tropical areas but their core cities weren't.

For reference, here's a climate map

1500s america was one hell of a place

then came this fucker

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And map of Aztec territory.

Note that the Maya section of the map is misleading, since the Maya weren;'t unfied, so despite being a solid area, those regions were composed of many tens to 100-200's of city states, kingdoms, etc

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middle dude definitely got lost on his way from a d&d session

>Poorfags, furries, and Yoshimitsu's long lost uncle

you picking a fight there buddy?

People also assume mail was made in a pretty much universal way too, which is just silly
When's your favourite era of armour user?
Mine is either late 1300s transitional plate, or late 16th century 3/4 plate

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Why are you sad? At least your nation has actual ancient history, unlike the shithole I live in.

A gun is literally just metal with boolets in it.

Fuck no I ain't trying to wrestle a cumstained fursuiter.

Late 16th century hands down. Europe was exporting weapons and armor everywhere by then so you see cool shit with mixed aesthetics wherever you look, at least in the hands of richfags.