To those of you experienced with various displays, what kind of total input lag is acceptable for gaming?
I have an eye on a discounted monitor with good specs, except for 34-ish ms lag. Is that good enough, seeing how I don't play competitive FPS or fighting games?
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>34-ish ms lag
what the fuck. even 5ms is way too much how are you even considering such a trash monitor
No offense, but I asked for people experienced with displays, not clueless guys like you who just read the manufacturer's paper spec.
slower the screen, the worse your overall experience will be. I've used an 2ms monitor since fucking 2009, and it's been awesome. Had one of the early LCD screens before that, 12ms, and the ghosting was fucking awful; talk about added motion blur bad.
If you buy a TV that's > 60hz, make sure it has a "game mode" as an available option.
gtg response is not input lag you brainlet
34 ms what the fuck lamo
Sup Forums being tech illiterate once again.
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>my monitor has 2ms lag, the store said so
You could have gave us the model or a link because straight off the bat I'm going to tell you 34ms is fucking terrible and you should plan a terrorist attack killing as many innocent civilians as possible at the store that is selling the product.
>34 ms lag
is that even a thing? Are you sure you're buying a monitor and not a TV?
Anyways I got myself IPS monitor, and IPS for the longest time had a downside for higher response times. So mine has 5ms lag and it's literally never been a problem.
You have to be an super-autist to notice difference between 5ms and 1 ms
It's this one, but I found some tests suggesting the input lag is even a bit higher sometimes.
For locked 30fps, 70-90ms is "good" or as good as you're going to get on modern game engines with vsync.
For 60 fps vsync, anything above 70ms is bad.
For 120/144fps vsync, 40-50ms is good, anything above is bad.
With gsync, shave off 50-75%. So 30fps locked with gysnc should be 30-40ms etc.
People confuse response time (grey to grey) with input lag. A good monitor will add no more than 5ms of input lag. 1ms response time is useless if the monitor has input lag. A good site for checking out input lag for various monitors is tftcentral reviews and pcmonitors.
With that said, "gaming" monitors generally have good or acceptable input lag and very little to no motion blur which is caused by response time.
GTG RESPONSE != INPUT LAG
5 ms lag is bullshit anyway. Companies lie everywhere. Get a good one from someone who does good screens like Asus. Don't get Phillips. They are the lottery.
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I use this site. According to this, my XBR-43X800D has 32ms lag, which is noticeably too high for me to play at my best with FPS and racing games. It's quite unbearable for anything but slower games that don't require very fast inputs.
My BenQ XL2411 at 10ms is better than anything I've had before, so I'd be okay with a little worse. My guess is 15ms and below? 20 maybe?
Op don't listen to these turbo spergs. I'm playing arma 3 on a fucking TV and I'm having no noticeable input lags
literally no display maker advertises actual input lag, which is why we have to rely on sites like displaylag or whoever else using leo bodnar testers
Buy a Lenovo L27Q, it is the current best monitor that exists.
Or if you want to play FPS, ViewSonic XG2401, ASUS MG248Q, or BenQ XL2411 for 144hz with low input delay
Uhhhh, it has 4ms GTG can someone tell me if I am retarded? I think you have good news, OP.
Yes, under response time. Since the opening statement, this thread has been about input lag.
4 gtg isn't that good, seems to be an office monitor
5ms input lag is very good for a monitor. There's 6-8ms gtg IPS 60Hz monitors that have 3-4ms input lag while many 1ms gtg 144hz TN panels have up to 15ms.
>Own MG279Q
>Only 10ms input lag
Feels good desu, can't imagine how someone can tolerate 32ms
My u2414h 60Hz IPS has 4ms of input lag. It has somewhat noticeable motion blur because of the 8ms gtg though.
Intereasting, is the 24 inch version just as good? For some reason the price disparity is very large where I live.
32ms isn't too awful, just not ideal. If it's not a racer, platformer, or FPS game, I'd rather be playing it on my slower 4K HDR TV.
10ms is sex though. 144Hz in online shooters feels like I'm cheating.
You mean the Lenovo LI2321S? It has 11ms which is worse then the 144hz monitors I listed
The viewsonic XG2401 is probably your best bet for cheap monitor
My apologies, user. I didn't know fuck about input lag until now.
I'm glad to find out my 2ms monitor has 10ms input lag though so my day just got a little better.
Sorry, meant lenovo l24q
Problem is now Im used to 144hz and 10ms and I can't really play on anything else.
That's not listed on the displaylag website so I don't know
>tfw 144Hz 4K monitors don't exist yet
What would you run on them, CSGO?
Ah yes, ARMA 3, the pinnacle of game input accuracy...
Yeah, no clue. Not even my 1080Ti could play much with a setup like that.
Thats because you have the reaction time of a sloth.
Does Dell make good monitors? Looking to upgrade to something that isn't Asus for once.
They use good panels, especially for their ulrasharps and IPS displays. They tend to have less qc issues compared to acer and asus, but buying a monitor is always a gamble.
Make sure to leave a Koran in your bedroom before you do it though.
never noticed this, but all my monitors had sub-8ms reaction
user every single LCD monitor has at least 9.9ms input lag
There is not a single LCD/LED monitor in the world with less than 9.1ms lag
Pixel lag is not input lag. Input lag is good below 20ms while pixel lag below 15ms
most monitors advertise as 1 or 5ms but in fact they are usually above 6ms
Dell usually uses LG panels. Their P (professional) line is pretty good. Most of them are IPS panels with 5~8ms pixel response time (Grey to grey)
My fav monitor brands are iiyama, LG or Dell.
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The 27" version of this Dell has better pixel response time
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Dell doesn't offer the best image on the planet for their P line but it's cheap and reliable just like LG if you want a IPS panel.
>34-ish ms lag
34 accounting for the whole thing? like all the way from controller to the virtual bullets? how u even get all those ms lmao?
>acceptable for gaming?
there is no point in discussing something as subjective as this, u get what ur money can buy, it is not like budget displays are light years behind a top of the line because they arent
I made the mistake of buying a JVC TV for video games.. they use LG panel(for most models) but input lag is horrible
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what matters is the input lag when they put the device in the middle of the screen
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Viewsonic is another good brand for IPS panels
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34 is high. But yeah it's playable. You may have a little trouble with games that have sensitive input, but you should be able to play.
I absolutely love my Dell S2716DG. It took a minute to get it setup, but afterwards it's been an absolute dream.
I just got a BenQ GW2765HT, a 1440p 27" monitor.
Its advertised as 4ms input but the display lag site sits it at 34ms. Honestly I haven't noticed any ghosting or bad input lag. It checks out for me. However, I mostly only play single player games, or more casual multiplayer games like mmo's or gta v with friends.
However, the display lag site still lists it as a great choice for a monitor. I got it for 220 on black Friday and quite like it. I also do a lot of colorization so the 60 Hz with great color is completely fine with me. As opposed to a tn 144hz panel with mediocre color and bad light bleed.
>Its advertised as 4ms input but the display lag site sits it at 34ms.
bruh how many times we gotta say
gtg reponse is _ n o t _ input lag
Any opinions on AOC monitors?
Deffo not above 20ms.
I can happily recommend the XG2401 after having used it for half a year.
Really cheap. You get what you pay for with poor quality control, but otherwise as good as other budget options. Beware of dead pixels.
You get very different results based on what part of the screen you measure. The manufacturer is probably looking at the very top for the sweetest numbers.
Displaylag.com uses a weird combination of total lag.. I like pixel response time and input lag numbers separated
Rtings has a better system but they don't review too many monitors unfortunately
Thoughts on this?
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1440p IPS 70hz, freesync with 48-70 range.
Doesn't really matter unless you're playing real high twitch games competitively
Nothing special, Iiyama is okay. Don't expect great colours from a cheap monitor. If you're not tech-savvy, know that Freesync only works with AMD cards.
I find that freesync is hardly noticeable even when it's in use.
i like iiyama a lot too bad it's hard to find in my country and I have to buy over ebay
If you find Dell 4K for the same price I'd go with Dell because Direct led vs edge lit
It might be enough to notice, but if you're not planning on playing games competitively and aren't picky enough to already know the answer to your own question, I'm pretty sure your brain will adjust to whatever the lag is as long as it doesn't start getting into the >50ms range.
snagged this on black friday for like $300 it's p good
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>34ms input lag
How the fuck? Even office tier monitors hardly get above 20ms.
Most Dell and Asus IPS monitors are AH-IPS
Only LG offers the ''best'' IPS which is S-IPS lgdisplay.com
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For color accuracy there is a cheaper option
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1ms or bust
>my PC monitor has ~20ms input lag, not noticeable for me
>TV has ~28ms with SDR content and ~32ms with HDR content, not really noticeable either
>TV without game mode has ~50ms, now starts to feel a bit off when doing fast movements, not placebo as I tried it with blind testing
As long as it doesn’t go much over 30ms I’m fine, but over that and it starts being hindrance. Probably some CS:GO pro would notice lag earlier, but not my problem.
>believing manufacturer paper specs
over 1ms babby detected
There is no such thing as a 1ms input lag monitor. You're probably thinking of response times and even then there is no monitor with truly 1ms response times. Manufacturers cherry pick their measurements to pretend they're valid in any situation.
If you guys want a 4K monitor I'd wait 2018 to get one with HDMI 2.1 support
I got this the other day. Yay or nay?
How far into 2018 are we talking about?
They will start to ship 2.1 firmware in June~July I think
Not worth caring about unless you're specifically getting 4K HDR.
4K @8bit RGB, 60Hz already has full support in current 2.0.
input lag should be 10ms or less, response time should be 4ms or less
if you're into e-sports response time should be 1ms
Another reason to wait in my opinion is to 10bit 4K displays get cheaper
Viewsonic Super clear IPS are too expensive and they are aimed at somehow budget levels
4ms response time only in TN panels. Samsung and Asus sell a lot of expensive TN panels which don't suck as much but still it's TN
This website has a list of the most popular TV's and monitors and their input lag tested by themselves.
Many of the monitors advertised as being " 5ms" or even " 4ms" are lying to you. And in some case those "5ms" monitors actually have a 30+ms input lag.
5ms is grey to grey.. white to black values are usually higher.
90% of IPS monitors have between 7ms to 14ms pixel response time and 10~15ms input lag
This thread is about input lag, not response time. Response time is just the time it takes for pixels to change. Input lag it the time it takes for the pixels to go from your delivery system (PS4, PC, etc) to photons on the display.
The two have very little to do with each other.