The only thing that matters in video games

The only thing that matters in video games.

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Only if it's also at native resolution.

amen hallelujah

4k 60fps black screen is a good game.

>only 60fps

Framerate matters more the wider the field of view gets. VR benefits massively from 120+

*144

No. The only thing that matters is having fun, something you don't get to experience if all you care about are numbers.

Diminishing returns. Typical PCfag

>turning your room into a furnace

120+ just to be safe though. I mean 60 is the minimum. Absolute minimum. Why settle for minimum?

>not having a properly cooled card
truly amazing

30fps is fine if it's stable. Obviously 60 and above is better, but a claim that 30 is 'unplayable' is pure mental masturbation.

Handheld gaming: 15
Couch gaming: 30
Desktop gaming: 60
Big screen desktop gaming: 90
VR: 120

>FPS/Racing/Fighting games at 30FPS
Fucking awful, many other genres are totally fine at 30FPS but certain genres should never be 30FPS.

Well educated person with high IQ cannot have fun with something that is not 60 FPS.

>30fps is fine if it's stable
No it's not. It's "fine". It's not even remotely "fine".
A claim that 30 fps is "fine" is pure mental retardation.

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Should we tell them that 60fps elitism outs them as neonates from /pcmr/?

Kek

>only thing that matters

You are straight up retarded if you believe this

>three shit genres
No thanks.

30 fps is NOT fine anymore

Under 60 fps the fun is not existing.

spotted the 30fpser

Just because you don't like them doesn't change the fact certain genres are horrible to play at 30FPS.

>there are people who would pick an aliased image with low res assets and flat lighting at 60fps instead of high fidelity supersampled hbao+ goodness at 30

You guys would enjoy the shittiest game ever if it ran at 1000 fps.

4K is what matters

The point is that having 60fps means nothing if the game isn't fun, you retards

>industry standard since 19XX's is now unplayable
Our eyes haven't changed since then, or maybe it is that your eyes weren't even developed yet.

Fighting games can work at 30fps. Developers have noticed that 30fps doesn't cut it for FPS games, which is why CoD and BF target 60. Third person shooters, adventure games like Zelda and Bloodborne and slower games work at 30, though.

>Play on high end PC
>Don't need to make compromises and get 60FPS as well as good visuals
And console faggots wonder why people play on PC.

/thread

Honestly it depends on the type of game you're playing. Something like Persona 5 doesn't NEED the 60FPS, it would just look nicer with it. Something like Devil May Cry or any fighting game benefit from 60 FPS both visually and gameplay wise.

are there even any fighters that run at 30? every one i've played is 60

tfw I got a 144hz monitor and mostly play fighting games

tv/movies should be 60fps and all games should be 120fps

>Third person shooters, adventure games like Zelda and Bloodborne and slower games work at 30, though.
Yes learn to read my post literally fucking said certain genres work at 30FPS. It's not preferable but it's playable. TPS also play like garbage as well at 30FPS at least on PC.

underrated post

I don't know, but it would work a for a casual one since the reactions can be slower.
It would make frame perfect inputs easier.

i can't have fun if a game runs like shit

They work but it is not ideal. At 60 fps, the game is rendering a new frame every 16.6ms versus 33.3ms in a 30 fps game. That's a game that's twice as responsive to the player's input than a 30 fps game.

In terms of visuals, your eyes receive twice as much visual information at 60 than at 30. That makes details remain clearer and easier to appreciate, especially in motion.

High, smooth framerates and consistent frametimes are key to video games.

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>Our eyes haven't changed since then, or maybe it is that your eyes weren't even developed yet.

30 fps was NEVER an industry standard for video games, you underage newfag.

A well optimised game adds a few more points for me personally.

You can also not have fun if the game runs at 144 fps but it's Gone Home

WOw man don't tell them about things like INPUT LAG because consolefags from stone age don't even know what it means anyway.

144 fps master race.

First you look if a game can work at 60 FPS.
That's primary.
Then you look if a game is "fun".
That's secondary.

*hundreds of 60fps-locked ports block ur path*

I can't believe someone is still trying to push the human eye meme in the current year.

Holy fuck, the stuttering + vsync test enrages me.

That shit looks awful.

?
I can pick ultra settings with silky smooth 60fps.

>playing game
>having lots of fun
>(you) enter the room
>"ugh user, do you know you're playing at sub 60 fps?"
>suddenly all the fun I was having retroactively disappears

144 only.

144 FPS is to 60 FPS what 60 FPS is to 25 FPS.

Pigs have lots of fun playing in a dirt too.

You're an actual fucking retard if you believe this.

Looks exactly the same.

>This board actually has people who went for 144hz instead of 4K
Can't make this shit up.

4k is a meme and 99% poorfags cannot even fuel their machines to make it work with at least 60 fps ultra settings + 4k.

Not even going to mention PS4 """4k"""

The microstuttering one is basically Bloodborne. It runs at 30 but because of the microstuttering it looks like it's running at 25.

t. fag that's never experienced 144 or even 120 hz yet talks out of his ass

>60 fps
no thanks

>4k is a "meme"
>defends 144hz
wew

I can't even see pixels on 1440p

going from +60fps back to 30fps is barely playable unless its some really slow paced game

>Not even going to mention PS4 """4k"""
>Literally mentioned it
Holy fuck, is your PC a DELL? Literally how do you scrape together enough braincells to push the power button on your PC?

Put your pc on the other side of the wall, outside of your room. Pass cables through the wall. Close the door. Noe your have the best setup avaible.

>this board actually has people that don't have both

Not an argument

Logical fallacy

Would you rather have 1080p 25 fps or 720p 144 fps?

>meme response
Yep, retard confirmed

I have shit vision and I can barely see the pixels in 1080p. Some people have really sharp vision though and they can see some small ass pixels.

Depends on the size of the display. 4K @ 50 is complete overkill. Someone with 20/20 vision would have to be withing 1-2 feet to start seeing the pixels onscreen. On a monitor 24" in size, the pixel density is far too great to ever see them from normal viewing distances.

Is this a survey for a next gen Nintendo console?

You would know as long as the dirt runs at 60fps

That's a fallacy. performance equivalent of 720p@144 is 1080p@60.

Some people have better than 20/20 vision though. Different monitors cater to different tastes. I have a 27 inch 4k monitor and I really wish I'd gotten a 32 inch monitor instead.

>gets schooled
>has no actual response
>"m-meme!"
Not an argument

Same question

We can only see around 30 fps with our eyes.

Just like we can only hear in two channels because we have two ears.

People with better than 20/20 vision is rare, rare enough that it's not relevant to this discussion.

And your monitor shouldn't be so large you have to physically turn your head to look at things in the extreme of the screen. Beware of going too big on a monitor.

4K is for RPG so we can explore the detailed beautiful virtual world.
60-144 fps is for some specific genre that having smooth control is vital (fps, action, racing, etc)
Also 720p@30 is enough for mobage/portable (still good on small screen and not eating your battery).

Then of course I'd take 1080. Difference in visual fidelity at that level is even greater than 4K vs 1440p. Plus, I'd regret 720p the instant I try to do something besides video games.

Can I steal this?

In portable also 600p 30fps is enough. On big screen of course no

Not really, non-native resolutions on fixed pixel displays tend to look like shit and suffer from scaling artifacts (especially in motion).

>People with better than 20/20 vision is rare
the average for young adults is like 20/15

60 is fine

>Even phones have 1440p@120hz now
What's your excuse?

is trying to sit close to a monitor to match the in-game FOV with my viewing angle retarded?

By all means as its meant to stop that silly argument.

those all look terrible

Phones are also running mobile games.

That's just number inflation for marketing. If you claim you see the difference above 1080p on a 5 inch screen, you're simply experiencing placebo.

>buying anything razer

eww

The gameplay

Which is still not enough to see the pixels on a 4K display from normal viewing range.

That's bullshit entirely disproven by the existence of aliasing.

Holy shit the mental exercises. Stuttering cause frame drops which lowers framea per second = fps. You can't claim to have 30 fps when micro-aggression soyboy-stuttering brings it down.

Yo i've got this new game coming out, it runs at any framerate at any resolution, it's a blank screen, but you can change the colour
Interested?

Uh, what? All you're changing by sitting closer is how much of your view is taken up by the screen. It makes things more immersive, but also introduced the problem of forcing you to turn your head to look at things on the far corners of the screen (if you're too close).

FOV in-game is something else entirely and sitting closer/further won't help.