Redpill me on these two games. Why is there so much conflict between them...

Redpill me on these two games. Why is there so much conflict between them? I've never seen anything like it with any other genre.

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Dota is a better game yet has fewer players than League.

Dota is deliberately obtuse with poor interface design and nonsense carryover mechanics from warcraft 3, and dota players hold themselves to be better because the fact that their game is worse makes it "harder"

They are both bad games, both with bad handlers, and people like to pretend they're on the winning team.

Porn's still good

nu-Sup Forums is too young to know the story and I'm too tired of explaining it, just google Pendragon fiasco

The real reason the conflict arose was because of Pendragon taking down the Playdota website to make it an ad for League (Pic related) and some hero concepts stolen for League (Corky being one of them). Eventually, newfags came into the debate without knowing the real reason for the divide, leading to the nitpicks of the games. I'm personally with the frog through and through.

Which mechanics? Shit like turn rates which give melee carries a chance to be even to range carries without the implementation of gap closers to half the roster?

[This is what LoLbabbies actually believe]

Both of these games have populaces that are salty because there are many other mobas that are objectively and infinitely superior (HotS, Smite, Battlerite) and yet theyve wasted thousands of hours clicking away at their shitty 20 minute grindfests filled with russian kids. So the fanbases fight which of their jerkoff versions of a MOBA is better, because getting the title of most popularly recognised ASSFAGGOT is the only redeeming thing they can get to rationalise spending so much time and money on these games.

>HotS
Ultra dumbed down neo-blizzard cancer, is the absolute pinnacle of everything Sup Forums has always hated
>Smite
Is the same shit as LoL with a different control scheme, overwhelmingly unoriginal and has all of LoL's flaws
>Battlerite
Unrelated game, not the same genre

>League
Used to be good, not anymore
>Dota
Still bearable

There, done, enjoy

>battlerite isnt a moba because it doesnt have lanes
>even though it is literally a multiplayer online battle arena

your other remarks are equally dumb; finding out exactly why is left as an exercise to the reader

>even though it is literally a multiplayer online battle arena
So every PVP game ever created ever is the same genre as Dota. Quake is a moba. Any game that isn't turned based and has a strategy element is an RTS.
Great job, retard

Genre labels actually have meanings

>your other remarks are equally dumb; finding out exactly why is left as an exercise to the reader
Concession accepted!

>the mechanics of battlerite are like the mechanics of an FPS and not like an objective-based arena fighter
Great job, retard. Can't even tell the difference between 2D and 3D.

Every single reason you're wrong is beause you fail to examine the mechanics of the games youre talking about, so lets move on to #2.
Smite has important mechanical differences that completely change how the game is played. THE DIFFERENT CONTROL SCHEME MATTERS. Woooooow so mindblowing, right? Idiot. A skillshot-based moba where minions early game are a real issue versus a click-away-farmfest play the exact same, you think? Think again. Leaps versus dashes, knockups, banishes and global ults, so much changes just because of the shift to 3D alone. The emphasis of Smite on high burst damage for a MOBA forces certain relic choices. (The whole concept of a free relic system is kind of alien to LoL to begin with).
In addition, its balance right now is significantly better than LoL where your champion selection is at most 15 percent of the god pack and you will get actyually banned for picking off-meta.
To even begin to compare the two games in anything other than 'theyre lane-based MOBAS' is silly.

Now you figure out what the exact mechanical reason is for why your opinion on HotS is shit, so I dont have to explain that to you as well.

>banned for picking off-meta
proofs?

are you fucking new, incapable of using Google. or is it just both?

>the mechanics of battlerite are like the mechanics of an FPS and not like an objective-based arena fighter
Who the fuck are you quoting? Are you retarded?

>Smite has important mechanical differences that completely change how the game is played. THE DIFFERENT CONTROL SCHEME MATTERS. Woooooow so mindblowing, right? Idiot. A skillshot-based moba where minions early game are a real issue versus a click-away-farmfest play the exact same, you think? Think again. Leaps versus dashes, knockups, banishes and global ults, so much changes just because of the shift to 3D alone.
Considering 90% of the game still relies on farming harder and itemization, no, it really doesn't change much. This genre more about mindgames and knowing when to go in and when to be where and how to itemize than anything else. All that is cut straight from LoL. Turning everything into a dinky spammable skillshot in a game that's equally 2D as LoL changes very little in the grand scheme of things.

>The emphasis of Smite on high burst damage for a MOBA
This is objectively false, it's even less bursty than current LoL. I don't know what you're talking about. You clearly haven't played any others (especially dota) if you think this.

>Now you figure out what the exact mechanical reason is for why your opinion on HotS is shit, so I dont have to explain that to you as well.
Why not just ignore the point instead of actively telling me you were wrong and have no rebuttal?

IceFrog here. Pendragon deleted the DA site and ripped off hero ideas from the forum.
Merry Christmas Sup Forums.

Go to sleep Ismael

>Who the fuck are you quoting?
"Quake is a moba."

> b-b-but if I generalize everything down to the basic essence of what an item-based moba is then I can say its a league ripoff and not worry about the things that make it unique even though those are some of the main areas where the differences lie
What an outstanding argument.

>Smite less bursty than LoL
>he seriously believes this is even a contest

And no, I'm not gonna tell you why your opinion on HotS is shit until you at least attempt to make a guess. First hint: it has to do with the mechanics. Second hint: while for Smite you fail to notice the differences, here you do the same thing as with Battlerite and completely skip over the similarities. If you still don't get it after that, there's no hope for you.

Burden of Knowledge

>Ultra dumbed down neo-blizzard cancer
holy guacamole user
that's some meme shit right there

here's the red pill:

dota 2 is an actual real game with actual real gameplay and huge plays possible: youtube.com/watch?v=C0syIB3Fp-0

league of legends is a point and click mobile style game designed for women

>make highly improbable claim
>hurl insults when called out
Huh.

In my honest opinion, Dota is the most respected MOBA out there.
From my point of view, though, it goes down like this for best or most fun MOBA:
>Dota
>HotS
>poop
>LoL

There's no worse balance team than League's and their champions feel unfair as fuck compared to the shit you see in most MOBAs.
Though, I can't play DotA or LoL because their matches last a fucking eternity and they always feel so damn irritating or way too stressful for me.
HotS in this case has been pretty fine to me and fair. Their matches are rather short and I like the fact that the map switching is part of the strategy in draft.
Though, HotS has this big cons which is Overwatch heroes. They're cancer and the game would have been in such a better place without them, in fact. I still play HotS but the OW heroes are fucking detestable. I'm hyped up for Firebat.

>matches last a fucking eternity and they always feel so damn irritating or way too stressful for me.
have you tried Turbo mode over at dota? it's actually quite fun

The thing about it is that I treat that as a game mode and game modes aren't really my thing. I do play Brawl in HotS but just enough to get the free loot chest. In League, I literally never played a game mode unless it was ARAM between friends.
But yeah, I tried it, I was pretty fine with it but the game is pretty much really designed to be played normally without any tweaks.

>game directly copies another game in almost every way while making it worse
>because of pandering to waifufags and casuals (along with heavy marketing out the ass) it becomes more popular

gee I wonder why they hate each other

alright, let's say you could make any improvement you like to the game, What would it be?
More items, less items?
More balancing, new game modes?
Buff nerfs?
Another agh upgrade for some hero?
What would it take, to improve Dota to be better in your opinion?

Make matches last less time.

turbo mode already exists

No, I'm making a claim that literally anyone with a modicum of interest in MOBAS knows that has happened on numerous occasions. And while Riot nominally changed their stance on this, it is still a severe risk. The latest scandal afaik was just this march, you can easily find the stories.

he's right on the fact that the game is made to last a lot, but i can't think of a way to make the games shorter without Cutting some corners
Also Goodkind a cute

>Still Playing ASSFAGGOTS on 2017
Can't we all agree they are both shit and move on?

League of Legends is a re-imagining of dota. Dota 2 is a straight adaptation of dota on the Source 2 engine.

Pendragon (old dota dev, now riot employee) was recruited by Gensoo (another riot employee) and attempted to hijack the dota allstar forums by promoting League of Legends. Icefrog (now the chief consultant for Dota 2) and Pendragon had a falling out over it.

Later, after Icefrog joined Valve, Pendragon and co. attempted to shitpost dota 2 into irrelevancy. It didn't work, people got mad, and now both fanbases hate each other.

Dota purists hate league because the creators of League replaced the biggest doto forum with an ad redirecting to league of legends, and also made a new game trying to cash out on the success of the game mode instead of continuing to keep making dota better, also most of league's old champions were just blatant copies of dota heroes. So tl;dr: league creators were scumbag to og dota team. Nowadays League is so much different than Dota and Dota 2 is just so different too that at the end if you give a shit about an old ass conflict you are a pretty dumb person who likes to yell at clouds.