Why can't Obsidian make RPGs that sell?

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>“Obsidian did a great job of capitalising on the timing of Kickstarter and the wave of nostalgia for these type of titles,” goes his hypothesis. “We've seen that most of the titles after Pillars of Eternity, if you look at Wasteland, Torment - they haven't been anywhere near that kind of success. So maybe it's that a lot of nostalgia fed into the initial bubble and that's why. These games have a market, but it's never gonna be that peak [again].”

>Wester shoulders the responsibility for Tyranny’s marketing, which ran with the slogan: 'Sometimes, evil wins.' It was an approach that wisely brought Tyranny’s twist on RPG morality to the fore - but didn’t touch so much on its singular world and cast.

UH OH, DIVINITY 2 PROVES THAT WRONG

Wow it's like Obsidiots don't want to admit that Obsidian creates generally unlikable and unsellable games

>B-BUT POE SOLD!

Only because of Baldur's Gate nostalgia

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Tyranny was a half finished piece of shit where you couldn't actually be evil and it was filled with SJW bullshit.
D:OS2 is massive and has co-op. Also it doesn't hurt that it's a good game.

You made this thread constantly for the past few weeks.
But anyway, Obsidian can do one thing and one thing well: create story and characters in a pre-defined universe, alá Star Wars, Fallout, etc.

It's when they try to venture away from the instructions is when we get well, things like Tyranny.

There is also the massive factor of: they cannot fucking code, like at all and just blame anything else but themselves

Also, the fact that Obsidian never really markets their games outside of "this is just like a game from 20 years ago" doesn't appeal to younger crowds.

Niche material nowadays. DOS1 and 2 were kind of a minor miracle because so many elements (turn-based combat, isometric perspective, etc) simply should not have clicked with the wider audience.

>look mom I posted this same thread again

>But anyway, Obsidian can do one thing and one thing well: create story and characters in a pre-defined universe, alá Star Wars, Fallout, etc.

I think it's more a case of they never really had the chance to flesh out their own setting with another game. New Vegas is arguably they came the closest to that seeing as they had some leftovers from when they were working on Van Buren. PoE2 will be a first sequels to their own IP.

>game about Tyranny
>you are more of a Paladin or Inquisitor
>or filthy rebel scum

They've worked on their own setting in games multiple times. They aren't good at creating a fresh universe. Which is fine, honestly. Some companies can't do that.
But the fact they keep trying and failing shows they really are no different than a con artist

It's entirely unfair to compare OS2 to Tyranny. Tyranny is fucking garbage

The thing is that it's hard to fuck up turn-based, at worst a bad turn-based game feels boring more than anything else. It's a super safe choice.

A bad RTwP game, on the other hand, fuck that up and it will feel like absolute garbage.

You underestimate how many people skip TB simply because they consider it too boring and prefer immediate feedback from anything with some action. RtwP is just an unnecessary compromise.

I've never understood RTwP personally, to me it's RTS for casuals that need a pause button. I love TB and RTS but RTwP to me seems to lack the fun parts of both.

It's turn-based but without the fun turn-by-turn positioning mechanics, and real-time but with mechanics that interrupt the action.

>the only remotely likeable and not-retarded faction in Tyranny are basically fantasy nazis

What did Obsidian mean by this?

I liked both games.
Divinity is better but Tyranny has its own charm(Tyranny is better than Pillars of Shit if you ask me).

>Tyranny is better than Pillars of Shit
Well that's not exactly hard

Scarlet Chorus is retarded so Disfavored win by default. Going solo or independent are both better routes, though.

>Going solo or independent are both better routes, though.

I'm still on my first playthrough with Disfavored, wouldn't solo or independent be really tedious due to constant fighting and nothing else?

I guess consoles sales weren't impressive for first DOS so they never bothered porting the second one. Kinda strange to see Wasteland 2, PoE and Numanuma received ports as well, though.

I love how people collectively decided to forget about Numenera. That's a goddamn disappointment without any hyperbole.

>mfw the Conquest prologue alone made me hate them
>playing the game made me hate them even more

God, why are the scarlet chorus such unlikeable shits?

new vegas has 5 million owners fuck off

Nah, there's actually story you'll completely miss out on if you join either of the two major factions. For example, Lethian's Crossing is almost useless unless you've decided to join the rebels.

Wow, that's pretty neat. who even joins you in an independant playthrough though?

Divinty original sin is slow unengaging burning trash. Everything is a slog and generally unsatisfying.

It's almost a hidden option and going solo is just counterintuitive. Just a protip if you're still early in: take care of your reputations because they WILL come into play.

Fuck off Sawyer

>I love TB and RTS but RTwP to me seems to lack the fun parts of both.
I completely agree. RTwP is some bastard child with all the flaws and none of the charm. I still really like some RTwP games, but they would be hundreds of times better if they were either turn-based or real time completely.

I really want to like Pillars of Eternity, the general setting is pretty neat and I like some of the party members like Eder and Durance and the Grieving Mother, but the gameplay is really dull and the long ass lore dumps get irritating at times.

That's what you get for leaving marketing to Paradox.

>so we have this CRPG aimed at cored fans and built on making long term decisions that will affect your reputation - how do we market it?
>errrrr... give it to obvious streamer shills who don't give a damn about what they're playing for an hour as long as they're paid?
>BRILLIANT

just look at the tags and you have your answer

All they had to do was make Black Company the Game

Same characters, but you need to have good rep with Verse and Barik or it's shenanigans time.

I found out that reading pages of text in a vidya is not something I can do anymore. I loved 90s isometric RPG's, but I can't get into them anymore I guess. I also have this with books, reading has become a chore for me.

You need to keep in mind PoE was funded ENTIRELY through Kickstarter whereas Larian funded DOS and polished it with Kickstarter dosh. Affects the profit split.

I almost refunded PoE1 because of those fucking NPC backers.

>go to dying town
>expect to see villager A, villager B, and villager C
>get villager A, villager B, and Grongaxx, God-King of the West, Defiler of Souls, Destroyer of Worlds

Good games are good, shit games are shit.

Why do people keep comparing D:OS, PoE, and other games similarly to console war bullshit? If all the games are good, I see them all as games to play over time, not as time investments similar to multiplayer/mmo games. If they're shit, I avoid them. With all this comparison shit, if they're good or bad, you guys act like i still have to choose between all of them no matter what.

I felt the same way, especially after what the EE did. The EE did a crap ton of QoL improvements across the board, but jesus christ every fight didn't not need to feel like a boss battle on a disco floor. Sometimes fodder just needs to be fodder.

>*breathes in*
Posting in this format should be a bannable offence.

Every fucking game that Obsidian releases ever: PUBLISHERS ARE AT FAULT

Seriously, we get it. You're in denial.
And that's okay. But please, you can't keep fucking blaming publishers when Obsidian choose who publishes their games. They just don't have a lot of publishers stupid enough to take them on

Oh would you look at that the game with meme multiplayer sold more than the game without it, stop the motherfucking presses. You now understand why every AAA release tries to have MP in it, no matter what.

It's more like layman RPG ignorance. DOS, Tyranny, AoD, etc have drastically different focuses despite belonging to the same genre. Most people see RPG and draw comparisons.

It’s New Years and all you want to talk about is spreading months old hate against a company that doesn’t even know your name or care what your opinion is.

i wouldn't say that. the first divinty only came on the console a year or two after its pc release. I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to do that again

>the game with meme multiplayer

This is just pathetic.

At least we got lazy man controller support for PC out of it if anyone feels like playing the game that way.

People would rather wait until the community made patches are done before playing an Obsidian game. Honestly who wants to suffer through crashes every 20 minutes just to see how much content was cut when you could just wait for it to be good instead?

Slapping MP into any game that could conceivably have it in order to sell it to children on steam is a meme, sorry you don't like it but I am using it correctly in this context.

>slapping MP into any game that could conceivably have it
The Original Sin series has been designed from day 1 to be a co-op RPG

Tbh I prefer Divinity for it's real time turn base and the fact that they actually build a game world. In the promos Obsidian carries on about whooa hand drawn backgrounds man, beautiful! But Divinity 2 is a wonderful world with beaches and forests and colours etc. It just draws you in.

Obsidian is good at telling stories but PoE was super dull.

Yes and CRPGs typically had MP when? Oh right, never, it's one of the only games in the genre that has existed for longer than you've been alive to actually have it. It's almost like it had to be *slapped* in, because general CRPG design makes MP impossible. The game seems good though, they really pulled it off, but that doesn't exactly refute my prior statements, now does it?

BG2
Neverwinter Nights

Oh, you made this thread again. Exciting.

autism

>I'm right because I say I am

Anyone who refers to multiplayer as a meme is a fucking idiot. Multiplayer has been a part of video games since the very beginning. It's like declaring singleplayer to be a meme.

>dat feel when MP was the only way to customize a full party in Baldur's Gate

You clearly miss out on all the companions, though.

I'd agree if Alpha Protocol never happened.

So hold on let me get this straight. If a game in a genre does something new for that genre, it becomes a meme game?
Is that what you're saying?

they make games for a specific audience (people who only ever want to play neverwinter nights), and were unlucky that one of theirs wasn't the one to blow up, plus 100,000 is actually perfectly reasonable. you don't need to sell a million copies to make money. there's tons of successful games in the 100,000 range, like guilty gear and a million rpgs, nostaligaware etc.

He's just saying that multiplayer for CRPGs is a terrible idea, and I agree.

Obsidian is the company that even managed to ruin Dungeon Siege III. I don't get how anyone expected something different.

Multiplayer Neverwinter Nights was fucking great, I can't agree with you retarded, blanket statement

They made the console action game that Square Enix demanded

Was it? Or are you talking about the custom content. And we're talking "MP as intended" here, not pesistent worlds.

just look at Trannys art, it looks like something made by a tumblr >artist. Obsidian has made one of my most favourite games of all time, so I was extremely disappointed with both PoE and Tyranny, they have always complained about publishers, so when they finally got the freedom to develop whatever they want I expected something great and unusual, what I got was an incredibly bland game, PoE isn't bad, its just dull, I can't even hate that game I have no feelings about it at all

>playing with a bunch of people doing literally anything except progress the game
Just because you had fun doing it doesn't mean it's inherently good.

>one of
Which one was it?

It's always the publisher's fault when talking about Obsidian, isn't it?

Yes, those are games, did you not read the part where I explicitly mentioned that such games as those existed, but are few in number? It was the second sentence, hard to miss.

I'm right because my statements are backed up by facts and logic, if you have things you can say that actually dismantle what I claim, then feel free to put those into your posts rather than this big batch of pointless nothing you chose instead.
Multiplayer is not a common component of CRPGs, that's a fact. There are many reasons its not a common feature, and Larian made D:OS in spite of them. Thankfully, for them, they succeeded regardless. I think that's great. However, I also think they only did it to sell copies, and not because they had a great idea for a multiplayer CRPG. Once again, the meme is tacked-on multiplayer on steam. This very specific concept is a meme, by the literal definition of the word. Stop getting upset just because retards on Sup Forums have abused the word meme to the point that people like you don't even know what the fuck it means anymore.

No, the meme is randomly adding MP to a game in order to get sales on steam, which D:OS did. Pay the fuck attention, reading isn't hard.

I never said that.

Is DOS 2 actually THAT good?

It's pretty good.
And really long, like 90+ hours long.

>my statements are backed up by facts and logic

You actually believe this, don't you? Sorry, user, but it's backed up with nothing but opinion. Why am I not surprised the pseudo-intellectual twat is also the Obsidian fanboy.

Pillars of Eternity 2 will outsell Divinity-

Oh no no no no no

*breathes in*

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHHA

I'd say eat literal monkey shit you Obsidian loving modcuck, but you might enjoy it

>Which one was it?
Mask of the Betrayer

...

Because one has voice acting and the other dont, simple as that

Good taste.
What's your favourite ending?

my last playthrough was as a cleric of kelemvor, and I ended up defending the wall against Kaelyn, it was a melancholic but nice playthrough. I wouldn't really call it my favourite but I liked it a lot, all ending are pretty good in it

Is Wasteland 2 any good? I loved Div os2. Wondering if I should buy w2

>Only because of Baldur's Gate nostalgia

Not an argument, PoE is an RPG made by Obsidian and it sold well.

of all these kickstarter games, I had the most fun with Wastelands 2, but it ran like shit last time I played it

I was about to say Path of Exile wasn't made by Obsidian. I'm a fucking idiot

>Is Wasteland 2 any good?

Too archaic for its own good. And inXile is just a really mediocre developer.

It's a solid one playthrough RPG, but not much else. I'd wait for it to be cheaper.

Wrong

It can't even outsell its competition

For all the shit you hear about them most Kickstarted RPGs were at very worst solid. Numenera is the only exception that really stood out as bad to me which is a shame because it's the writing where it fails the most. I really liked things like being able to almost completely avoid combat and plenty of alternate solutions.

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Why are you so fucking obsessed?

It sold well. Something selling better doesn't change that fact. Your premise is wrong from the start and your attempts to deflect it are weak. Pillars of Eternity 2 raised 4,407,598 dollars.

See you tomorrow when you make this shit thread for the 36th time to get BTFO all over again.

>Tyranny was a half finished piece of shit where you couldn't actually be evil and it was filled with SJW bullshit.

This. They had a good idea but were too wimpy to actually go for it.

I legit came here thinking it was the same thread I posted in 8 hrs ago looking for replies to me saying Baldurs Gate is over-rated but no it's a new one

Some people, especially on Sup Forums, are genuinely autistic. He'll pick up some other game to obsess over in a couple of months. Probably Monster Hunter.

Don't buy. Pirate first.

Especially since the cunts never really bothered with fixing some instant-crash bugs in Wasteland 2 DC.