At what point does a game become "Too anime" for you?
What aspects of a game in particular cross the line for you?
Do you hate lolis, overused tropes, lazy dialogue, too much fanservice?
There was a bait thread about this earlier that got pruned, but I think this could be an interesting topic, so lets give this a shot for real
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Both graphics and voice acting CAN make a game too anime on their own but it's mostly about them both going too far.
if i personally dont like it and it has anime its objectively too anime
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Anime fans tend to forget that 99% of anime is actual trash.
When people say something is "too anime" they don't mean, "Oh wow, this reminds me of japanese cartoons and its too weird for my normie brain to handle", they mean "wow this game has terrible writing, its just like a really shitty shounen anime but with even more cliches and even more hamfisted fanservice, holy shit this story is retarded they probably spent more time modeling that one characters panties than writing the story." It has less to do with the art direction (most of the time, sometimes a game can just look really fucking stupid too, or it might have nothing but lolis which is "too anime" for most people), and more to do with the execution of that art direction. Like I said at the start of this post, most anime is trash, its really easy to make a bad anime and the same applies to 'anime' games. This is also why a lot of people call games that are 'too anime' "Weebshit", since just like those shitty anime, only actual weebs will like it.
Just to be a little more clear, if we were to try and apply the "too anime" thing to actual anime.
Lupin III, Detective Conan, Dragonball, these are just 'anime', no one would ever say they're 'too anime'. They're still a little off the walls as cartoons in general tend to be, but they still restrain themselves enough and actually try to be good enough that almost anyone could sit down and watch it
Meanwhile, stuff like Gakuen Utopia Manabi Straight!, Lucky Star and Oreimo are "Too anime", generally speaking, even people that like anime won't like these and will say that they are "too anime" for them. The characters are all tropes, almost everything is pandering and they're made for a very specific niche audience of hardcore weebs.
Essentially, "too anime" is the point where something crosses the line from "enjoyable by anyone" to "offputting to everyone that doesn't wish they were born in Japan and considers anime his main (if not one of his main) hobbies"
Is there a difference between a game that is "too anime" and a game that is "weebshit", or are the terms simply interchangeable?
Idols. I fucking love anime and all of the tropes and cliches and fanservice are a part of the charm, but I don't understand idols at all. TMS is exactly the point where I can say it was too anime for me.
I would imagine the terms can be used interchangeably. It's just that "weebshit" sounds a lot more derogatory than "too anime".
"Weebshit" is a term used by cretins because when you really think about it, is rather vague and doesn't actually tell you anything beyond "[X] animesque/Japanese" and/or "[X] is shit"
Whereas "too anime" is at least an actual criticism (or something approaching one), usually to imply the writing is trope-heavy, art style is obnoxious, or other flaws reminiscent of shitty anime
>too cartoony
>girls act like cute angels (in reality they are vengeful harlots)
Point 2 is why nier tomato was NOT anime.
When there's a flat chested girl who looks like a child but isn't cause she's a """1000 year old demon/vampire/dragon""""
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Example: Xenoblade Chronicles 1 vs. Xenoblade Chronicles 2
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I can't stand blatant fanservice or mostly anime games that feel really childish.
Example I guess with the game being childish is like Atelier Totori.
The music, the art, animations and the characters seem like it's really floaty and childish.
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Not saying the game is bad, because I never played it, but I avoid this type of anime game.
Same with hyper neptunia, but I know those games are just bad.
I got in a debate with a friend recently about steam being flooded by anime games and I pirated Nekopara and played it just so I could say I atleast tried one of the more popular anime games (VN) on steam and holy fucking shit It was fucking hot garbage. I love me some H games and good VNs but christ that was horrible.
Graphics and only that, those caring about "anime" only care about what other people will think of them if they see them play something that looks like an anime. You could have a game with real life 100% realistic visuals completely filled with the shittiest anime tropes and they wouldn't care about it being too anime at all.
>Making this thread again after the mod got bootyblasted
any anime in it whatsoever is too much anime
ANIME
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metal gear solid is probably the limit before something is too anime
But MGS is anime, which is way past your threshold of "any anime at all"!
>those caring about "anime" only care about what other people will think of them if they see them play something that looks like an anime.
>You could have a game with real life 100% realistic visuals completely filled with the shittiest anime tropes and they wouldn't care about it being too anime at all.
This is a pretty big assumption to make m8
What if I personally just find certain tropes to be contrived to the point of almost being insulting and I find they cheapen the game to a point where I don't want to play?
What if I just really don't like the whole loli thing and it makes me kind of uncomfortable seeing sexualized 8 year olds while also being annoyed that the game could have had a cool character instead of some retarded little anime girl in a stupid outfit.
Blatant shameless pandering is also kind of insulting and makes games feel really sleazy to me. I don't know how people can willingly play mobile gacha games just because they have big anime tiddies even though they fucking must know that the whole thing is just a trap designed to steal money from lonely weebs.
Its not like these artists genuinely like drawing massive torpedo titties or kids in thongs, I'm sure some of them do I guess, but they're generally just drawing that shit because they know it panders to a fetish and they'll make money
I hate that, it makes the game feel like it has no artistic integrity when they pander to cheap fetishes. Any artistic vision the game's director had was lost when the publisher said "Okay, now add 3 little girls, one of them needs big tits, one needs to be tsundere and the other needs to be really cutesy wutesy and act like she was dropped on her head, this'll make the REALLY pathetic guys feel like they need to protect her by buying her merch"
I don't give a shit what people think, if I did I wouldn't play games, watch cartoons, play MtG and D&D or any of the other manchild things I love. Sometimes a game really is just "too anime" for me
>overused tropes
>lazy dialogue
These things. EVERY medium and genre has their cliched tropes and lazy aspects. Much of the games that are "too anime", are the outcome of developers pandering to their otaku fanbase. Rather than crafting a product of genuine creativity. Or, the developers are all hardcore otakus themselves, and they serve their own shitty interests.
But also, aesthetics does play a huge part in this equation. Because some anime styles are simply too uncanny. There reaches a point where the artstyle is betting on the viewer to be able to stomach this strange, uncanny valley, alien faced aesthetic. It's not easy to stomach.
It's like asking what makes food "too spicy". You'll get a lot of different answers. Those with sensitive tongues will tell you that they don't eat any spicy food. Those with iron tongues will tell you that nothing is too spicy. And then you have everyone in between. I know, "food analogy hurr durr"
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Weebshit is a term that's difficult for some to understand. But what it means, is that it's a thing only otakus find appealing. It's used in the same manner as "Only a face a mother could love".
I fapped to lolis having sex 4 times in 2018, rate
I loved the accents in the original Xenoblade, so I thought you guys were just memeing about the annoying accents in the dub, but after hearing that webm with sound it's really, really bad, like a few steps above Resident Evil bad.
What the fuck happened?
I haven't fapped to anything in 2018 yet, I've been kinda depressed.
honestly I dont' care if other people like lolis, its not like it hurts anyone, they're just stupid drawings.
I just don't like them myself and don't like seeing them in games because I think they're stupid
Actually I believe that my depression caused me to fap 4 times
I woke up on this new years day. Fapped to amateur interracial BBC, took a shower, and then came to Sup Forums and found this thread.
Rate my year so far.
Anime faces and irrational clothes designs.
Sick and tired of halfnaked 14 years old fighting giant threatening dragons who will rip you a new one in an eyeblink
>Do you hate lolis, overused tropes, lazy dialogue, too much fanservice?
Overused tropes can bother me sometimes, same with lazy dialogue.
I love lolis and fanservice, that doesn't bother me.
>Sick and tired of halfnaked 14 years old fighting giant threatening dragons who will rip you a new one in an eyeblink
Honestly, it sounds dumb, but the thing that bothers me even more than this is when those 14 year olds manage to kill adults from their own universe, and in some cases trained military men and hardened veterans.
I'm all for letting go and just getting into a fantasy story, but something about a group of anime waifu tropes in retarded skimpy bikini (while everyone else in their universe wears normal clothes) beating down and killing professional, adult, soldiers is just so fucking stupid to me.
I don't know why that bugs me more than when they can kill dragons and ancient world devouring gods, but I can never think of a reason why adults just suck compared to kids. If the kids are that strong, the adults should be even stronger, thats just how growing up works, you get bigger and stronger provided you don't have some kind of disease or disorder.
>Anime faces
>irrational clothes designs
>halfnaked 14 years old fighting
this is the kind of shit that keeps me away from JRPGs
I personally have no qualms against a game having "anime" qualities, but from an objective standpoint, I would say it's when a game's plot overtakes it's gameplay. Artstyle plays a part, too, but for the most part even the most animesque styles can still get away with it if their gameplay is good and plentiful enough.
The games I think take up the "too anime" spot are probably mostly visual novels, but most Persona games and some of the Xeno and Tales of games can fulfill those qualities as well. Idolm@ster, Love Live, and Vocaloid games usually occupy the "too anime" spot as well, but more based on artstyle and story alone.
That Webm encapsulates my biggest problem with games that are too anime. The oversaruration of the same tropes over and over for the only purpose of fanservice, the worst part is how the trope is played completely straight just how you'd expect though it can also be annoying when it goes in the complete opposite direction of being aware of the trope, the characters recognizing that yet the scene doesn't change one bit.
Tales of Graces.
>Overused tropes
Only morons scream "tropes!" As a criticism. Western shit is full of tripes as well, it's just that you like them, so you donmt complain or even notice. Tropes in and of themslves are not bad, it's all about their use and execution
I've fapped to loli yuri and traps in 2018.
Only morons think bringing up tropes in western media to defend tropes in eastern media is a good counter argument to criticism. Western shit is full of tropes as well, its just that you don't like western stuff, so you don't notice people complaining. Tropes in and of themselves are not bad, but they can be when they are done poorly and without effort.
Do you think that was clever? I brought it up because this is a thread about things being "too anime" and someone cited tropes as a blanketly bad thing and a unique criticism to anime. This argument is made incessently about eastern games and never about western ones, and it just shows the stupidity and biases of those making the "criticism". I'm not defending eastern shit, I'm just pointing out idiocy
>All female cast; High indicator of yuri-baiting shit
>Main character is a grass-eating soyboy
>The second any character gets into an embarrassing situation they begin to flail their arms like a psychopath while shouting rapidly
>Power of friendship
>Female characters fulfill and archetype like "ditzy glasses girl" or "tsundere" with no other defining character traits
>Badguy psychically knows of good guy's plan and it was all according to HIS plan without any logic or reasoning
>If there is a relationship in the game, it never progresses and keeps the status quo so no one's "waifu" is left out
>Girls make "cutsey" noises
>Idols in general
>Characters fall into an obviously fatal situation, but because we didn't see them die or their body, they show up alive at the last second and it's never explained how they escaped no matter how lethal the situation was.
>Firearms are weaker than swords.
You can tell I love anime by how much I hate it.
When the game's selling point is it being anime. When I want to watch anime, I'll watch anime. I don't have any problems with an anime artstyle or even occasional but not excessive usage of tropes, so long as there's more to the gameplay than the same turn-based rock-paper-scissors that we've had in RPGs for thirty fucking years. At least implement one original mechanic. I don't think that's really asking for much.
Is Ace Attorney anime?
The first game intentionally didn't make the characters too Japanese because they thought it would get localized, the localization didn't happen back then, so they went with more asian inspired designs in the sequels.
The designs didn't get really anime until 3DS games though.
No.
It has a fucking anime. Yes.
Shit, that means Powerpuff Girls, Xmen and Batman are anime now too
They weren't made by japs.
Pretty safe to assume that he meant the anime tropes specifically were bad