Lets talk about tier whoring

Lets talk about tier whoring

(not just in smash)

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It's a bummer, because you'd like to think that people would just play what they like, but the fact of the matter is that when something's on the line, be it money, celebrity, etc., a lot of people will forego what they like for what's most effective.

Not much else to say, really.

If you win a tournament with a top tier character you should get HALF the price money

Don't really care but if someone tells me to pick a tier 1 character instead of giving me actual advise on how to improve fuck off

If your intention is to play a game competitively, it's a good idea. If you're just playing for fun, it doesn't matter much.

It's not necessarily about picking the most overpowered character, it's about limiting the amount of disadvantageous matchups you have to play throughout the course of a tournament.

It's why you see characters dominating tournaments while most players in the respective community thinks they're not necessarily overpowered. Sometimes just not having any bad matchups is enough.

There's a difference between being overpowered (Akuma, Petshop shitting on the entire cast 8-2 or better) and being strong (Fox, Meta Knight, ST Claw, 3s Chun having no bad matchups but still going almost even with some characters).

What pisses me off is I've been playing Mario since 64. But NOW these cunts wanna play him cause hes so up high.

If you uptilt spam youre a faggot. I just jump off the stage when its done to me once.
Enjoy your win bitch

>tiers
>meta
This is why autism should be grounds for execution.

Choosing right at character select is a skill.
Smash 4 is balanced, and stacked tournaments can be won by any of the top 25 characters, which is better than Smash typically does.

>not playing a game that's actually well balanced to where no tierwhoring exists and the community litterally hasn't even made a tierlist because there's no point

lmao

>Play fighting game with friends casually
>Character tiers really only relevant at high-level gameplay
>They tierwhore anyways
>Beat them with characters multiple "levels" below theirs

tell me about the man
why does he wear the scarf indoors

>the absolute state of smashfags

Someone post that autistic Brawl ruleset image

Because he's forever a momma's boy.

Actually though, it's the scarf his mom gave him when he left Chile. It's nice and sentimental and all, but he actually looks like a fucking sperg in it.

Wow you are the literal definition of a soyboy. Can you be any more of a beta bitch?

I hate Zer0 so damn much

He thinks hes in an anime. Hes a fat cunt

There is nothing wrong with tier whoring, I don't get why people get mad about it. The only concern is when said tier characters are nerfed and people who only play them lose their shit.

I dont play this shit game competitively. I'll play actual fighters.

If Im playing a defensive do anything to win faggot I'll just jump off and find a new game cause playing peoeple like that ISNT FUN.

>getting mad at people wanting to win

This. Tiers don't matter, especially if you are playing with friends who only play good characters because they heard online that they were the best. Literally just be good and you can win with/against anybody.

>Meta Knight
>Not overpowered
What?
Meta knight in brawl is in a league of his own

>Autism is the theory that children are hyper masculinized
>lets kill all men

fuck you you sexist prick.

>bitches about Diddy
>wins with diddy
>diddy is nerfed
>picks up shiek
>Wins with Shiek

lol NOW he refuses to play cloud/ Bayo

Sure dude, nothing wrong

>I'll play actual fighters.
How do you feel about zoners then?
Also what games do you play?

It took a very, very, very long time for him to be banned.

And even then, most seemed to agree that he needed to be banned because he was hurting character diversity at tournaments, not necessarily because he was broken.

>Look at Melee scene
>Top players are praised as gods, everyone loves them, generally no complaints with who wins
>Zero plays Melee but never gets good, always in the shadow of someone else
>Gets good at Brawl, but no one gives a fuck
>Smash 4 comes out
>This is his chance
>Ginds and puts his entire life into the game
>Aspirations of being heralded as a god like Melee players
>Thinks he wiill always be that cool smash player who wears a scarf
>Reality sets in
>People don't idolize him
>Fans get pissed off that he keeps winning

Hilarious, really.

I don't give any fuck about smash in the least, I am speaking on a general standpoint.

???

Didn't Birdie win Capcom Cup?

>Autism is the theory that children are hyper masculinized

Hahahaha what the actual fuck

>people want to win
>they use characters with movepools that have distinctive advantages
>a faggot makes a tier list
>it is gospel, no more experimentation is given
>now people just break open the game's code, break down frames and come up with analysis as to why video games are dead

it starts out innocent enough but faggots have to make documentations about every mundane feature.

>Tfw Samurai made Ike a heavy even though he’s fast as fuck in his canon games
>tfw Cloud is basically what Ike should have been

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Birdie is somewhere around mid-high tier, so was Gen when Xian won EVO in SF4.

Always possible to make that work, especially at a smaller tournament like Capcom Cup, but still pretty rare in larger tourneys.

Who cares? Why would you want to play a character that sucks dick and doesn't feel good to control? A lot of people don't play top tiers because they don't click with them, and will play a low tier because the character is more in line with their natural game plan and muscle memory.

But if you just play shitty characters because you don't want to play good characters, you're just being a turd.

Yes
I want Mena to bloat up another couple hundred of pounds after turning back into a nobody then get a heart attack.

Lead by example, weeb.

too much testosterone in the womb gives autistic females male features like an ugly face, and autistic males oddly enough become androgynous.

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>Look this up
>Multiple links to peer-reviewed scholarly articles

Well fuck me then.

I was gonna say they don't like him because he's ugly as sin but most smash players are so I dunno.

>play Overwatch
>some heroes are just flat out better than others
>not only better, some top tier characters are infinitely easier to play the lower tier characters
I need to find a new multiplayer game, Overwatch is fucking dead.

The age of heavily scrutinized competitive balance is gone user. Just play something else.

>Hungrybox dedicates himself to a less-than-ideal character
>one of the only, if not THE only one playing said character in top 64 of any given major
>pushes said character to its absolute limits with unorthodox strategies that require inhuman nerves and the patience of a saint
>wins
>people still complain

Sorry but Machamp is the best.

It's boring as fuck to watch

I thought that puff was actually pretty fucking good until you take the rest of characters to the TAS levels that nobody has reached yet? Isn't she still top 5?

He's just an unlikable cunt. He likes to talk big and act like he's the best but the second he loses, he throws a fit and acts like a salty bitch.

>Melee

Jigglypuff isn't less than ideal, so to speak.

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If you value character balance that much, then see Every single character in Pokken is viable in even top level play, other then maybe croagunk.

he could be more celebrated if he 1) lost weight and 2) stopped playing like a faggot

>No taunting. It makes others feel bad

I'm sorry but its a dead game

>less-than-ideal character

wew

Does it matter? People are going to play what's good. It's like this for literally everything that can be even halfway competitive. If they make money doing it, what's the point in gimping yourself?

Not a big deal

Nerf now.

>akuma
>overpowered

okay m8

I get matches in online all the time. It isn't dead. Shame ARMs got in over it in EVO though.

That's because smash mains are absolutely autistic when it comes to their mains.

Except it's not.

You get matches online in matchmaking in less then 20 seconds, it's been at over 25 FGC majors this past year, and The discord where the english speaking community for the game talks and stuff has over 10000 people in it

> Shame ARMs got in over it in EVO though.

Pokken is also at EVO japan, actually, it got announced like last week there will be an official 2v2 tournament on the main stage, they just aren't considrring it a part of the main line up are still calling it a side event for some reason

shoryuken.com/2017/12/15/evo-japan-2018-will-include-a-2v2-waseda-style-pokken-tournament-dx-side-event/

>Susanoo
>Glass Cannon

I was actually going to use TCGs as an example. Say I'm a pro magic player and have the means to have several T1 modern decks. If they decide to ban the fuck out of one of them, I'm not going to keep playing it. It's just silly to try and bring something back up through repairs just to play a suboptimal build and to scrub out against Tron.
The other thing to consider is metagaming. The Dredge deck is very powerful, but normally only when it falls off the radar because it folds to graveyard hate. When dredge comes back, people put their hatecards in the sideboard and dredge can't compete in that kind of environment, so it gets shelved until people forget about it again. In the meantime, people play other T1 decks.
So why is it in video games when someone switches to the best performing character they're called a tier whore. I don't understand it.

In ST he was

I like tier whores more than people who intentionally play bad characters for the OS. They're the most whiniest players to ever fucking exist. They never shut the fuck up about how bad their character is and how bad the game is for letting "their" character not having all the options. Their being the big keyword here because for whatever reason they also put a big emphasis on their ownership/obligation to represent the character while staying a fucking scrub the entire time.

It's worse since generally a low tier hero's actual knowledge of the game is limited as hell and they don't know a god damn thing about the games meta or whats actually happening on the screen of the game they play. People who pick top tier because they're good are okay with me, people who pick the character that they like are okay with me, but man if you play a bad character and your answer to this is just complaining instead of switching or LEARNING then eat a dick.

This. Susan is a slow rushdown character, the seals doesn't allow him to be played like Sho or Shadow Mewtwo.

As much as people shit on Zero, at least he didn't turn out like Inui.

Pic related.

>Melee
>top player plays Jigglypuff, an A tier
>Jigglypuff is below four other characters from S and SS tier.

Justify this, tierfags.

I get it when it comes to tournaments because money but if you're casually playing the game then why use something you know will affect the challenge and fun of competition. I remember playing with my friends, staying up until the early morning picking random characters and fucking running up and down stage like retards trying to learn out characters while trying really hard to land their move sets.

>entire community thrown into a shitfit because one guy stomps spacie tryhards with the lowest APM character
ehehehehe
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

1v1 games are about player vs player more than the strongest tactics. The strongest tactics obviously play a huge part into this but the player matchup is extremely important where someone who plays a worse character can win because of knowledge implementation of the game AND the player. In a game like Melee I assume this goes a very long way since they've been playing the game forever and most importantly against all the same people so someone like Hbox can win very consistently. I don't really know the most about Melee, but from the little I've watched the way Hbox plays is kind of countermeta in general(I assume anyway considering how mad people got at him) so with lots of matchup experience and player experience makes him really scary to play against.

>Spend 10s of hours training up your favourite Pokemon
>It's literally unusable because numbers
Someday Dugtrio.

But this applies to online games.

Do you REALLY have to be a Guille and or Cloud only using fuckhead who goes tryhard on player matches?

Or even ranked for that matter. Youre not winning evo. They would wreck you with their eyes closed

As a frequent lowtierfag I gotta admit this gets on my nerves too

If you willingly pick one of the less viable characters you have no right to make excuses after your inevitable defeat about how you only lost because of your character choice.

Jesus Christ he's ugly.

>Dugtrio
>unusable
what, Dugtrio is an OP trapper. Smogon babies threw a fit over it and banned him because of it because it went against
>muh healthy Orange Genie meta

Is you honestly think that any ow character is hard you should honestly stick to it

>didn't do his research before plunging into the autism known as competitive pokemon

Isn't Dugtrio bad due to low HP stat?

Dug was overpowered, Lando is not, he's just very versatile but has plenty of counters

Not when it has a amazing speed tier, high attack and one of the best abilities in pokemon

dugtrio has been the best revenge killer in the series for as long as i can remember.

Yeah he's not Juri or anything but how many Birdie players were there in high level play? I think people put too much faith in tiers.

Why even play vidya

You're thinking about ARMS and Dissidia NT. Pokken is fine.

>That Pokemon you like that is so bad it's not viable even in the single player.

RoA is also very well balanced.

>caring about tiers
I still body people with Ganon and Palutina and they're the "worst" characters in the game

My only problem with this is that Smash is in it. Fuck Smash. Seeing proper fightan characters being compared to trash makes me sick... IT MAKES ME SICK. CHECK MY 5 FUCK COMPETITIVE SMASH BROS

Cause every fucking one on Sfv has the exact gameplay except for a few like guile who can zone just a little bit. That's how that game works, 2 guesses away from death by any character

>playing smogon
That's like slicing your dick off.

Ganon is my favorite smash 4 character and I don’t know why. I know we’re just casual scrubs, but I wreck my friends harder with him than any other character.
I just wish his run animation wasn’t so pathetic.

Yeah it's Rushdown 50/50 Fighter but it still has tiers. If anything it suggests that choosing a less common but still mid-high tier character is the best choice in the modern meta since less people will have mastered the matchup.

He's the ultimate casual filter
He's so slow that it hard to do anything with him, but if you get a single hit, their lives are automatically put in danger
Also DAT BOOT

>Tiers only matter at high tier gameplay
Maybe in wagglan bros, If you're playing a real fighting game and your opponent picks Akuma or Nightmare you are fucking down kiddo.

*destroys your meta*

So what you're saying is that pokken is actually worth it?

It's just frame data and shit like Urien having a mixup after every hit, if I remember correctly Karin only has 3 - normals and one of them is crhk which can't be punished at a certain distance. The meta of that shift fiesta of a game is just to pick whatever you are most comfortable with