How did a legendary warrior like Big Boss meet his ultimate defeat at the hands of an unarmed child with some hairspray...

How did a legendary warrior like Big Boss meet his ultimate defeat at the hands of an unarmed child with some hairspray while he was armed with a gun?

sage

Counter-sage.

Boss was old meanwhile “Green” Solid Snake who actually wasn’t green and in his prime could out-maneuver the old fuck

>Child
Solid Snake was in his early 20s. And Big Boss severely underestimated Solid Snake. You'd think he would have been more alert after the Outer Heaven Uprising. Pride was what killed Big Boss

>you’ll never get a true remake of metal gear and metal gear 2
>you’ll never see young Solid Snake have cqc battles with venom, big boss, Fox, and train with master Miller
>why are we still here Sup Forums? Just to suffer?

>we'll never see a reimagining of the Running Man boss fight

>we'll never see a reimagined ambush scene with Dr. Madnar

>you’ll never get to recruit Running man

Wasn't a big part of MGS5 and maybe even the whole series was the idea that these larger than life near mythical soldiers are just human and the tales told of them are not 100% true? Anyways there's also a point to be made about Big Boss being pretty fucking old during his fight against Solid, BB didn't get parasites or any sort of upgrade like almost every one in Fox/Foxhound/Outer Heaven/etc

>we’ll never have a true kino battle with gray fox in a minefield

No
Just no

>we'll never have a true showdown with Big Boss

Honestly, Big Boss just shat the bed with regards his fight with Solid Snake. He underestimated the rookie twice now only this time it cost him his life.

>we’ll never see fox blow up his waifu on the bridge in Zanzibarland

If by chance interest would shift back to the early games I expect that ending would get retconned. I don't think Big Boss was intended to play such a major role in the franchise when his defeat to hairspray + lighter was written. There are things you could say in order to defend it, BB being old etc, but more than anything it's just a very bad idea in hindsight and should almost straight up be ignored.

>we'll never infiltrate Outer Heaven and rescue Gray Fox

MG and MG2 still play fine imo, if they remade them you guys would just complain about the changes anyway

>you’ll never hatch an owl to signal a guard shift change

>you'll never use the chocolate in your rations to get past a puddle of acid

Old Snake is a million times stronger and faster than anyone Venom Snake has faced. Old Snake can engage Vamp in H2H, dodge railgun blasts, beat Ocelot, and survive the microwave. The thing Snake did in TSS shouldn't be too far off from what he's capable of in canon as Kojima only hated TSS's use of slow motion rather than Snake being able to flip off missiles. Shame that MGSV didn't end with the confrontation between Solid and Venom.

As for Big Boss, he was insane and over confident.

You speak for yourself.

TSS?

Well the second part was hypothetical but what problems do you have with the games as they are? Guide necessity for some sections is the biggest one but I don't mind it that much.

I could see them make something out of it, but in a cutscene after the main fight has happened. Like you're both hurt and staggering about the place and in a last act before your body gives out, having been stripped of your weapons, you manage to bust out the hairspray + lighter combo that's lying around by chance. I don't know, it'd be cheesy but I could see it.

The spin snakes, that spinoff where Solid and Liquid try their hands at managing a night club

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>Wasn't a big part of MGS5 and maybe even the whole series was the idea that these larger than life near mythical soldiers are just human and the tales told of them are not 100% true?
No, it's that anyone could become a Snake or a Boss, and it has nothing to do with genes. It's to show how pointless a project like LET or Paz is when any random soldier can be conditioned into being the next Big Boss or Solid as seen with Venom Snake in MGSV or Raiden in MGS2.

Meant to say TTS

Sounds like a neat idea for a Yakuza 0 mod.

Thought so.

Twin snakes?

Yeah. user corrected himself.

Spit it out!

>"Our specialist is posted here!"

Big boss had a gun and Solid snake just got back from fighting gray fox in an elevator. He defeated big boss with a lighter and hairspray. Big boss is a cuck

>we’ll never hide in a bucket

>you'll never see MGS3 from the perspective of Skull Face, the cleaning crew of Groznigrad

Kek, that shit was gold
>tfw hiding in a bucket in the ladies bathroom

Eeegh ueergh uurgh

>B -BUT BBBBIG BOSS WAS O-OLD
Meanwhile Solid took down the B&B unit alone, fought an army or gekkos while Raiden fucked around with Vamp, Walked through a giant microwave oven and then went on to beat ocelot who had a Super powwred that could dent Steel. Even if BB was in his prime he wouldn't have what it takes to beat Solid Snake.

>boss is a cuck
>boss had a gun
None of that matters if Snake is in his prime and in peaks conditioning vs boss who is an old man.

Even with experience, Big Boss isn’t half the man he was in the 60s and 70s. Solid is faster and stronger. He can take a beating. Big Boss can’t

>We’ll never see cyborg terminator Bloody Brad in full HD.

daba daba daba desu ka

I've put a good _1k hours into the PS3 version of MGSV. That old thing is gone now, but I've access to a better system nowadays, and I just might do it all over it again. Convince me not to, Sup Forums.

>h-harder!

And then Raiden when full Dante. I think it's a generation thing, the next one surpass the previous one. Hell, Raiden in some way already surpassed SS in MGS2, just like SS did with BB.

I can almost guarantee you would die if you went against a 70 year old solider with a gun. Stop defending cuck boss

I feel like Solid Snake during the Outer Heaven Uprising could beat Operation Snake Eater Big Boss. Big Boss during the events of Peace Walker...I'm not so sure.

>Solid is trained by both Big Boss himself and Master Fucking Miller
>Probably learned some shit from Gray Fox too
>Beats Venom who is on par with the boss
>David at this point in his life is literally a tool made to take out Big Boss

Gee no wonder he beats Big Boss Andy makes everyone else look like shit. He was practically made to be an unstoppable force.

You really think Liquid’s bitch ass could have done that?
Nope. The guy may have been damn near invincible, but he didn’t have the proper training as David

Tbf old Snake was wearing a super suit that enhanced his frail old body.

>Big Boss had an mechinegun
>Solid had nothing that he could use unless he was less than a couple feets away
You poor delusional Big Boss fag.Event if Big Boss was 100 years old and bound to a wheelchair he would still have the advantage you stupid husbandofag.

the pee is stored in the balls

By the end the suit was rekt'd by the oven and he still beat super soldier Ocelot.

You seem pretty delusional yourself...!

The Shagohod had nothing on the 2 active Metal Gears Solid Snake beat in his prime, without aerial support or armor like the Peace Walker shit. Solid Snake is just the better soldier.

I must be if I'm arguing with someone that can't see that Big Boss had the upperhand in his fight with Snake.

I just want another 2D Metal Gear. Ghost Babel was underrated as fuck and we need a spiritual successor to it.

Different user. Which fight are you talking about? If it's Metal Gear 2, you're right. Big Boss absolutely had the upper hand.. he still lost though.

>mfw we will never have a true 3rd, 4th or 5th chapter
>mfw I have no face

MGS "snakes" power levels
MGRR Raiden > Solid Snake > Big Boss/Venom > Raiden > Solidus > Liquid.

>if I went up against cuck Boss with a gun
>If i went through the same training as Snake, Cuck boss would be dead too
>Even if you replaced snake with Fox shit wouldn’t change

Snake singlehandedly takes on Hinds,tanks, cyborgs, and fucking mechs. You think an old fart with a gun is gonna take him out?

Bullshit

Holy shit! What game/movie??

>delusional
Not a chance. I’m not even a Bossfag I’m just telling your dumbass how it is.

They gave each other nanoshots
They’re both on even playing field

Pretty much this, but Liquid should go in between Snake and Big Boss.

>he wanted it

Liquid isn’t resilient but he’s not stronger than the boss nor is he better than super suit solidus

I'd put liquid 3rd 2bh. The guy is a fucking tank.

iirc Old Snake had a special supersuit that make him stronger than he actually was

I'd put Liquid just below Solid. They are basically mirrors of each other, physically and skill-wise, after all. Put in the same situations, I'd easily see Liquid performing the same feats

Pls explain? I would love to see you try to explain how Big Boss who can kill Solid Snake in less than a second with his mechinegun, is somehow at the disadvantage to a man with no conventional weapons and certainly none that can effect Big Boss unless he is at close range. Take a minute and get Big Boss's cock out of your mouth and think, Dumbass. Nothing you can say will make your stupid argument make sense, even you play the age card because Age almost never plays a role in these games.

Plus Liquid is a capable of extreme physical feats like Big Boss was in Peace Walker. He's a freak of nature. Hell, if circumstances were different he could have been BETTER than Solid Snake in every way.

Liquid does the shit he does because he's fully rested. Snake was running around infiltrating the base and fighting FOXHOUND.

Fully rested? Did you see how many cartwheels he did during his monologue in Twin Snakes?

I would put Raiden above Solid Snake and BB. I mean he defeated 24 Rays and the perfect clone of BB which was using an exoskeleton. Let's not forget, he surpassed all the VR missions and VR simulations of Snake.

Also, he managed to defeat a Harrier and an inmortal vampire.

Ray was shit. It couldn't even beat Rex which was sitting in an alaskan hanger for 10 years. But I do think Raiden is on par with Solid. I think they are actually all around the same level.

People never take Raiden seriously for some reason.

>pick up series two years ago
>go through the gamut starting with MGS and going through release order
>love 1-4 greatly
>get to a wall in PW and stop halfway through
>beat Portable Ops on the interim and love it for what it is
>wrap up PW and find myself oddly happy with the game despite tedium
>love the shit out of GZ and rack up 44 hours 100%-ing it
>finally get to PP
>have 67 hours and 22% completion (just extracted viscount)
>feel little will to go on especially with all the real time deployments and R&D
Also, mission style format was a mistake and it and the base-building shit should have stayed on PSP in my opinion
At least I still have Twin Snakes, MG2, and maybe Ghost Babel to look forward to

Work your way up on the other games if you haven't already
I worked up from normal, then extreme, and finally Big Boss clear on original MGS and it felt pretty good

If you open both ends of a case of soda, you can just push them all out into the fridge at once.

SUPERIOR
DOMINANT
GENES

>just extracted viscount
>I'm about 20 hours in at the same place and all my sideops done

Am I doing something wrong??

I've just been managing the base tightly based on the allure of cooler shit down the road
I also made sure to S rank everything up to my current point for bonus gibs since you get decent personnel out of it
I typically do non-lethal stealth, so it's all slower, but I'm also being fucking autistic about everything with this game
If anyone's doing anything wrong, it's probably me

You should try putting c4 on ddog and command him to attack people instead. A game should be fun first.

>boss in my mouth
>you fucking wish bro
You’re being too one-dimensional.
Boss may have had the advantage, but that doesn’t mean he fucking capitalizes
It’s like the end of 3. The Joy whips your ass left and right. She’s got the sameness loadout yet you still win.

Why?
She purposely never uses her advantage to its full potential and lets (you) best her. I’m no Big Boss fag, in fact, I hate the guy thanks to the shit he pulled in V. However, I’m positive he, just like the boss, realizes “it’s his time” and gets “cucked” by Solid.

You're right
I saw the rankings and point system and immediately wanted to do the best I could and I just feel tired now
Maybe I'll just let loose, but it'll be tough actually killing dudes now and growing out the horn