Honest thoughts on Sonic Mania and Christian Whitehead, the young Aussie developer?

Honest thoughts on Sonic Mania and Christian Whitehead, the young Aussie developer?

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this game should have never happened given SoJ's planetary ego, yet it did. The fucking taxman spearheading the project was unlikely as all hell, yet somehow he managed to rise up to the task by winning over some trust. This game should not exist yet it does and I love it

I think SoA made it happen, seeing as they made the sonic mobile ports happen. Probably was too late before SoJ realized what exactly they were doing

I think it should've never happened for other reasons. The game was hyped to hell for a fanhack. They didn't even get the original guys to work on this game. What gripes me is that the game is more of a celebration of the series and the new maps are alright. That's it. It was a waste of hype and could never touch classic superior Japanese design. It does some things right though, mostly nostalgia pandering.

How do you think SoJ feels now that once again, the west proves themselves better at making sonic games than them? Last time it happened they shut down all development outside Japan

Good stuff, no tacked on gimmicky shit

>tfw if Mania becomes a series the monkeypaw effect will mean that in order for a new Mania to happen it must also tie in with whatever modern sonic game they're developing
I really want more Mania but I don't think my heart can take another autismo fest that was Forces

Probably the best Sonic game ever honestly but it does borrow a fuck ton from the older games.

That said the new levels are phenomenal and I could see a full game of original levels being even better then Mania.

This game is pure schadenfreude. Playing it I felt nothing but joy over how fucking assblasted the rest of Sonic Team must be seeing a ragtag team of indie devs make a better Sonic game than they've been able to shit out in 20 years. Knowing how much this game fucking humiliates the fuckwits who ruined my childhood's favourite franchise gives me unending pleasure.

Then Sonic Forces came out and I basically blew a fucking load.

>Sonic Mania: 86% Metacritic rating
>Sonic Forces: 57% metacritic rating

Just eat a fucking dick SEGA you incompetent fucks and give Sonic to Whitehead permanently.

Well we know from history that they don't learn from their mistakes so I imagine they won't be working with Taxman anymore after this embarrassment.

>boostshit
WOW OH MY GOD BEST SONIC GAME EVER HE'S BACK WOW THIS IS BETTER THAN ALL TEH CLASSICS WOW DUDE.
MODERN SONIC SUX CAUSE YOU JUST BOOSTSHIT TO WIN (drop dashes to win instead)

Salvaged the dumpster fire known as the Sonic franchise for a few months before Sonic Team took another liquid shit known as Sonic Forces. That itself is impressive because no game better encapsulates "good to horrendous" as much as soinc, to the point people often forget there were good games in the series because the modern games are that atrocious. Dissolve Sonic Team, let him be the project lead of every sonic game until he dies.

Please don't sully the purity of Sakura with your hilarious autism.

The fact that this was allowed to come out is nothing short of a miracle. This is probably going to be the last good Sonic game.

Then we might get another Adventure title!

Care to explain?

When are people gonna stop pretending this series was ever good?

Remember the Dreamcast?

Never post Sakura again you fucking cunt

The man is in his mid 30s.

Sonic 1 - 3 have 0 flaws, other than maybe being too easy.

Taxman is /ourguy/ and anyone who doesn't like Mania sucks fucking dick and shouldn't be listened to.

I always thinking people are saying christian chandler

What happened to Sonic Team after the Dreamcast's end? Yeah things were still great with Heroes and Advance 2, but it was the start of the downward spiral that Sonic has never been able to get out of.

All of the best Sonic games were made in America, dingus.

Sonic 1 is very mediocre.

>classic superior Japanese design
geez how did you write this post so well with Jap cock so far down your throat?

The new levels are fine, the remixes are great, and sonic team hasnt been able to make a good 2D sonic in 20 years.

cease your avatarfaggotry immediately

Not CD or Adventure 1 or Generations

Not with Marble Zone and Labyrinith Zone. I would even play Sonic Rush over Sonic 1.

Sonic Advance is pretty great.

Not at all.

Noting wrong with those zones.

CD was made in America

Have they really made 2D Sonic games in the last 20 years?

Hahahahahaha holy shit your taste is terrible.

>liking zones that go against the core mechanic of Sonic going fast

Why don't you like Colors more then?

No one ever criticized Sonic 1 before until it became popular to do so. Nothing wrong with those zones.

You can go fast in both of them. And nothing wrong with some parts in a game requiring patience if you're not skilled enough to go fast.

>having THIS shit taste

Colors has a better balance of speed and platforming than Sonic 1 which has REALLY drawn out waiting sections.

No, that's you.

I don't know about Colors. I don't think any of the zones in Sonic 1 are bad.

It was made in Japan, Sonic 2 was made in America at the same time.

>Mania is only good because of nostalgia
Oh hush, the only 2D Sonics I've ever played were Rush and some Advanced games, with a tiny bit of really old Sonic games on my cousin's XBox when I was like, 9, and I adored Mania. The Emerald levels were tense as fuck.

Adventure 1 and Generations are weak games.

I think you are the only person I know of that can find enjoyment in Marble Zone and Labyrinith Zone.

Well, I don't know anyone who dislikes them.

>things were still great with Heroes and Advance 2
You know what, forget I said anything, I'm sure Sonic Team will be able to come up with something you'll enjoy in the near future.

And for the record, you completely missed the mark on what I was getting at.

Wasn't that DIMPS? If not then, Sonic Team hasn't made a good 2D Sonic in the past 13 years since all the Advance games are decent.

Not that guy, but what are you trying to convey?

>fanhack
>romhack
>blablablahack

This is fucking annoying. Like any of the old crew that mattered with the classics are there.
Even the ones that were essential for Unleashed or Generations to be good games arent on ST anymore(some are working for Mario games ffs), for some reason the new games got worse.

And the engine for Mania was a rebuild, not a hack of the original. Thats something ST couldnt do, for some reason they had Dimps doing 2d games and we got shit like Sonic "4"

What the fuck was wrong with Advance 2? It was a blast playing that game and fuck the whole "Hold Right to Win" you do that in the later stages and the game will kick your ass.

Fuck off faggot, those were fine games and far better than anything Sonic Team has released in the last 10 years.

>Have they really made 2D Sonic games in the last 20 years?
Have you SEEN every boost game ever made? All of them had some form of not 3D gameplay with Unleashed having the least of it and Colors and Forces having the absolute worst case of them. We actually haven't had a full blown 3D Sonic game officially, by SONIC TEAM inb4 someone mentions Boom, ever since Sonic 06. Which came out 12 years ago.

Just look at him, you can tell he's a guy that likes to have fun.

Wish they gave Whitehead more liberty and let him make brand new levels.

>classic sonic
>use spindash and attain max speed by skillfully avoiding obstacles
>nu classic sonic
>BOOSTSHIT through everything using spin dash in a can aka drop dash
>literally exactly the 2d form of sonic boosting through his enemies and gaining max speed with the press of a button

I don't like it

The last time someone working for Sega outside of Japan outperformed SoJ, they were shut down. I'm saying I expect the same thing to happen.

>and far better than anything Sonic Team has released in the last 10 years.
Please cite where I said Sonic games in the last ten years were good outside Mania.

well shit I succ coccs then

ok

Sonic Team had far more oversight during the Advance games and even had Naka's assistant (and the senior programmer for Sonic 3K) as a Technical Director for Advance 1 and 2. This is probably why the physics in their later titles are so marketedly different (and worse).

I bet you think the Adventure games are great.

They were for their time.

The Dreamcast was shut down because of sales.

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Yup, and so do Taxman and Stealth.

No shit. Think back to what might have lead to that.

Adventure 1 was the closest Sonic Team got to nailing Sonic in 3D, if they had focused on just that core gameplay and NOT abandon it after Adventure 2 the series would probably be way more respected.

And?

>Adventure 1 was the closest Sonic Team got to nailing Sonic in 3D
And the closest you got to a vagina was when a girl said hello to you. So what?

>liking well received games is a problem now
You need to go back to riddit

Because the Saturn performed poorly due to an early launch and 32X, and the massive success of the Playstation, and because of the hype of the upcoming PS2? Where in this scenario is SoJ getting outplayed by SoA?

Of course they do, they know what makes Sonic great.

They're comfy games.

I am sorry your terrible taste keeps you from enjoying the finer things in life.

good but Sonic still feels like a rollercoaster ride pretending to be a platformer

>justifying your liking a game with the fact that other people liked it too
wow

This is how normal people think though.

ok

I really wonder what will happen next for this series in the following years after Mania's success & Forces mixed reception.

time limits are a mistake

lives are an antiquated concept

outplayed

Are you retarded?

Look buddy, I'm not gonna play this "pretending not to understand what I'm talking about" game with you. So, yeah, if you want to take that as a victory, you may.

No. They had to stop because of past mistakes. Dreamcast actually sold well for the time and for such short time

But then Sega was almost killed, shit happened with Heroes so they had to say fuck it to the Adventure 2 engine and make it something new for the 3 different consoles which was something new for them.

Shame, since Sonic's gameplay was polished in Adv2 but had the problem with the input buttons. Knuckles gameplay seemed better though, which was never explored after Adventure2

They should have made some of the S3 multiplayer maps into full-fledged Zones.
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I am sorry that your pallete is so limited that you think mediocre games are "finer."

I see Christian whiteheads name on my Sonic 2 android port so i honestly like this man

Normal people's opinions are based entirely on what other people think?

Thinking for myself is retarded?

Go stick to your story-software, please.

Yep. The Dreamcast had 0 mistakes other than lacking a DVD drive, but they probably couldn't afford it due to the poor handling of the Saturn and the 32X existing.

I am glad the Mania devs agree with my taste though :^)

Not entirely, but somewhat yes. It is called empathy and fitting in.

Are you okay? I'm not understanding what you're talking about because you don't tell me.

I thought Chrome Gadget was turned in to Titanic Monarch

Congratulations. I still don't understand why you keep bringing that up like it matters.

No, but assuming that other people liking and praising something isn't a measure of quality is retarded.

Why do you assume that they won't try to make another Adventure title if given the opportunity?

We do value common opinion, it is literally the appeal of award shows.

Literally when did I say they wouldn't?

the game sounded good but the physics engine was fucking horrible and gave me a ton of glitchy deaths that are not at all in line with the way the original games felt, so i got a refund and have no desire to play the game again

If you think the Adventure games are terrible, then shouldn't you find it alarming that the main devs disagree with you in this regard?
Should not you be questioning their ability to design great Sonic games in general because they see merit in those games that you don't?

That this coversation is even going on is truly baffling to me.
Really? Is it really that hard for you people to grasp that someone might want to actually formulate their own opinion on something? That someone might actually not need other people to validate it for them?
Am I in a console war thread right now? Are you people going to start citing metacritic scores?

>If you think the Adventure games are terrible, then shouldn't you find it alarming that the main devs disagree with you in this regard?
Why would I find it alarming? Not everyone agrees with everyone, this is entirely natural.

>Should not you be questioning their ability to design great Sonic games in general because they see merit in those games that you don't?
I played Sonic Mania and it was great, so why would I question their ability to make more good ones?

Are you being serious right now?

By the way, you still haven't answered my question.

You may not like their future projects since you have massive disagreements in what you consider quality.

Mania was to a degree a compromised vision and even under some self-made restraints.