Do you consider gaming to be a hobby - or do you think a hobby requires more activity beyond just “sit down and click buttons”?
In my eyes, gaming is a form of passive entertainment akin to watching TV or listening to music. Since at the end of the day, you haven’t truly done much beyond sitting and looking at a screen. A fun pastime, but not something I’d necessarily consider a hobby.
Curious to hear Sup Forums‘s opinions on this.
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Something like competitive gaming is definitely a hobby.
“Hobby” and “past time” are just words user, and you are going to get very didfirent ideas of what that even means ITT. Don’t worry too much, if you enjoy it, you enjoy it.
>or do you think a hobby requires more activity beyond just “sit down and click buttons”?
It depends on what you are trying to accomplish and how you value your time in general.
I have been playing games for more than two decades, and I find history of gaming to be an important part of enjoying games and understanding their place.
For instance, this New Year I was playing Divinity: Original Sin the first time with a friend of mine, and I kept noticing so many references or allusions to Divine Divinity and Ultima 7, but I couldn't even share them because my friend is a typical console-oriented Sup Forums-er/redditor who is arrogant enough to dismiss anything older than 2010. I can't compare the encounter design of any turn-based game to, say, Goldbox because by 2017 the number of people who have actually played them is aggravatingly small, which just makes me look snobbish everytime I mention them.
So, back to your question, personally I find it more worthwhile to connect everything in my mind. With time, you begin to understand how businesses and management work, small and large projects, market trends, personal passion, deadlines, etc. Same thing as with impressionists and modernists for me: I could not get into art until I studied its history and then it enhanced my appreciation because I learnt how to evaluate everything in context.
>Do you consider gaming to be a hobby
No.
>a hobby requires more activity beyond just “sit down and click buttons”
Yes.
Do you consider drawing and writing to be hobbies? You just sit and move your fingers.
>do you think a hobby requires more activity beyond just “sit down and click buttons”?
A hobby wasn't even about that even before the invention of videogames. Why are you framing it as an esports vs sports thing where the argument would be valid? a hobby is just some side activity you engage in on the regular out of your own personal volition. That is it. it has no physical activity requirements to be considered a hobby. Drawing can be a hobby, so can knitting, writing, music playing, sculpting, paper folding, reading. The list goes on and on. Where did you get the retarded idea that something can be disqualified as a hobby because you're sitting down while performing the activity?
>Do you consider gaming to be a hobby
Hobby to me is anything that you decide to invest considerable amount of your time, effort, resources and thought without expecting financial return from it, but instead doing it for the purpose of personal satisfaction, usually in the form of either relaxation, sense of acomplishment, or personal growth.
It does not matter if it's pushing buttons, growing plants or building airplanes, really. I know plenty of people who consider knitting their hobby, and that hardly requires more physical activity than playing games.
I don't think that just sitting in front of TV pushing buttons is enough for anyone to claim that games are his hobby. There is a difference between just playing games, and treating games as a hobby. The latter, in my mind, requires:
Actually educating yourself on the subject.
Having some form of goals or ambitions within it.
Putting actual effort or investment in it. Exercising some form of self-control, regime, structure to it.
Actually having passion for the thing. HONESTLY being able to claim that it has a positive influence on your personality.
If you can honestly and seriously claim that you do that, then yeah: I think games can be a hobby. Just like movies, books, or studying old maps.
Most people around here DO NOT qualify for that though.
As I see it, hobby is when you're producing something of value by putting effort into it.
Coin collection, bottled ships, flowers, paintings, models, etc.
Watching movies, listening to music and playing games requires no effort and/or produces nothing of value, thus it is not a hobby.
>playing games requires no effort
Yeah, nah. Fuck off mate.
Sorry, kiddo, but it's true.
You can put a lot of effort into gaming. And you can also produce "something of value" from that, disregarding how incredibly generic and vague formulation is that.
>you can also produce "something of value" from that
And what is it?
What a fucking pointless thread.
Much like gaming, eh?
I don't see it as entertainment or a hobby.
I use it more as a way to escape my dull and shitty life and insecurities than a hobby, hence why i play every waking hour when my job lets me i basically just survive and use vidya as a filler.
I think learning fighting games competitively honestly has had a positive influence on me, really humbling and tuning the part of me that pushes myself to a goal, instead of bloated self worth with some natural talent and complaining that I lost to 'bs' or stuck a shitty job in life.
what do you consider to be "of value?" physical, tangible objects? if that's the case then 90% of pastimes can be invalidated as hobbies
in reality a hobby is just anything you like to do that isn't a job. arguing semantics is dumb.
>passive entertainment
But it's not, it requires your input and attention therefore making it active
>if that's the case then 90% of pastimes can be invalidated as hobbies
Pastimes, like watching TV, is not a hobby.
>in reality a hobby is just anything you like to do that isn't a job. arguing semantics is dumb.
Jacking off is a hobby? Taking a leak is a hobby? Eating is a hobby? Talking to people is a hobby?
you didn't answer my question knucklehead.
>And what is it?
Well, actually you idiots should be the ones providing the actual delimination to "something of value".
That said:
A) an actual valuable experience. Sports and physical activities, but also things like chess or go are exactly the same: you do not produce anything of physical presence, but you carry away great personal experience of rising up to challenge, or success, of commeradery, etc...
B) a resulting medial capture of your activity or your thoughts that might be valuable to others. Whenever it's a fun stream or capture that thousands of other people will happily watch, an article, review, analysis, or just a few thoughts shared with your friends in a pub.
C) an actual in-game content that others may find interesting. A Blueprint of a self-replicating factory in Factorio, an interesting structure in minecraft, or hell, even a fun scenario set-up in ARMA?
I'm sure someone can come up with other examples, but even these should easily sufficie.
Good for you, I guess.
Fuck off normies. Go back to facebook if don't actually place any value in videogames..
>Pastimes, like watching TV, is not a hobby.
See The difference between a hobby and a past-time is the amount of effort and passion you put into it, and the goal of some form of self-improvement or achievement. Pretty much any kind of past-time CAN be turned into a hobby, there is no formal requirement on what can qualify as one.
You can mindlessly watch TV for 6 hours: that is a worthless past time.
You can find fascination in certain genre of movies, watch them 6 hours a day, think about them, write articles, travel to meet their stars etc... and you've turned the same core activity (watching something) into a hobby.
I'm so, so sorry. And yes, it's physical, tangible objects.
None of your examples have any value to anyone besides you.
You might say that streaming or making funny/useful gaming videos is a hobby. Gaming itself is not.
>Do you consider gaming to be a hobby
Yes
>None of your examples have any value to anyone besides you.
Uh... You are BOTH factually wrong, AND what you are saying is utterly irrelevant to the subject matter. That is quite an achievement kid. Let's see how fucking dumber can you get - this odd to be really fun.
>think about them, write articles, travel to meet their stars
But that's not "watching TV", dum dum, that's writing articles and traveling. It has nothing to do with TV.
Can't find a single argument in your post, clown.
>sports aren't hobbies because I say so
Gayming is for faggots.
I consider playing video games a way of life.
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>moving legs is a hobby
>hiking
>rock climbing
>racing
>sports
>bird watching
>reading
>acting
>dancing
>music, singing, playing instruments
>martial arts
>ice skating
>fishing
>skateboarding
>photography
>swimming
>rowing
>HAM radio
>shooting
how does your foot taste?
If I've had a long day at work gaming is too tiring for me, I watch TV instead.
most of these are not hobbies
>Do you consider gaming to be a hobby
I consider it my main activity, but hobby works too
>do you think a hobby requires more activity beyond just “sit down and click buttons”?
Literally what? People consider shit like book reading or toy ship building a hobby and that's like 50 times less movement or brain involved.
>a form of passive entertainment akin to watching TV or listening to music
>not something I’d necessarily consider a hobby
Things you listed is a hobby too, you retard
Wiki:
>A hobby is a regular activity that is done for enjoyment, typically during one's leisure time.
Who cares? There's no need to overthink shit. Hobby is just stuff you do for fun but don't get main income from.
they are all hobbies.
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Two my favorite hobbies: eating sandwiches and stretching legs. Retards.
OK, here are the arguments.
You are wrong because many people can find what people who dedicate large amount of effort can find value in all three of the categories I mentioned.
A) In multiplayer games, people can find a LOT of value and have great appreciation for what you do in those games. Whenever you provide a good and fair challenge in competetive games, good support or fun experience in coopertive and roleplaying games: all of those may transfer into a great, memorable, valuable experience for all people involved.
B) Streams, captures, articles etc... are so valued and sought after that people are willing to actually voluntary donate millions of dollars to those who produce them.
C) thousands of people love to explore minecraft structures or fascinating factories in Factorio or whatever: those have often thousands upon thousands of downloads and clear messages of gratitude.
What you are saying is also irrelevant because actually providing something of value to OTHERS is not NOT A NECESSARY CONDITION FOR SOMETHING TO BE A HOBBY.
Unless you want to argue that Chess, solitary sports, building a giant train set or cooking for yourself, writing or painting without the intention to show it to others, or collecting Star Treck memorabililia in your home are suddenly not hobbies too.
Seriously, what happened to you? Are you actually clinically mentally retarded?
i honestly can't imagine how you've survived long enough to post on the internet without walking into traffic or choking on spit or something
playing a game isn't a hobby
following gaming as a medium is a hobby
Its a fucking waste of time and nothing more. If I had better things to do Id do those instead but I dont have anything better to do so I play vidya.
This, exactly same this as with movies and literature. If one just randomly plays some game, watches a movie or reads a book just to kill time without any greater interest in the medium, it’s not a hobby. However, if one gets involved enough to understand about the history of the medium, the development of it, seeing those individual pieces of medium as parts of a grander whole, then it truly is a hobby.
It's weird how much bizarre and completely unjustified and pointless self-loathing and hatered for the medium is around here.
I wonder if this is what the years of weird gaming stigmatization has done to western people. Literally conditioned you people to exist in state of perpetual self-hatered and hatered for the medium, and in general, just a life of resentment to anything and anyone.
Seeing people like you, I am really thankful I have been raised in a different part of the world from most of you.
I love that so many idiots in this thread conveniently skip reading the definition of hobby, because it blows all these 'arguments' the Fuck out.
Thread should've ended right here.
Not really, because an online dictionary definition has absolutely no authority and frequently does poorly represent the real actual use of the word. Dictionaries are orientational, remember?
What dictionaries do you trust? They all have nearly identical definitions. Don't be wilfully ignorant.
Well, that’s your regular Sup Forums user. So insecure, needs something to blame their shortcomings of, at the same time addicted to vidya but yet bored of it due to having nothing else to do. Stuff like that tends to end up in strange love-hate relationships where one can’t quit vidya but also can’t quit feeling guilty about it and thus ending up hating it.
>What dictionaries do you trust?
I know what dictionaries are for. Meaning that I don't trust any of them. I use them, they are a very valuable tools, but they were never made to be "trusted". They are not bodies of authority.
That dicionary definition is not in conflict with the post you replied to. Note that the dictionary points out that there must be regularity to hobby, and regularity usually manifests as interest in the subject. The line between random time-killing pastime is of course impossible to accurately define, but it would be very inaccurate to think that everyone who had ever played vidya has vidya as their hobby.
>muh feefees is a value
No.
>building a giant train set or cooking for yourself, writing or painting without the intention to show it to others, or collecting Star Treck memorabililia in your home are suddenly not hobbies too.
They're are hobbies, because they produce something of value. Whenever you show it to the others or not is completely irrelevant.
Not an argument.
>People are actually falling for this bait
Come on guys, its like you enjoy pretending to be angry over something.
>No.
Great argument.
>They're are hobbies, because they produce something of value.
Yeah, nothing more valuable in the world than a bunch of cheap junk lying in your room, right?
Also, by that logic playing chess, or climbing mountains still apparently aren't hobbies as they don't leave behind a physical collection of junk.
Jesus, you did not actually address a SINGLE thing I actually said. Damn you are a comedy gold mine, but still... it's kinda sad to watch you publicly humiliate yourself. You are still a human being, right? You do have dignity.
Look, it's the "feminism is all about equality, dictionary says so!" argument.
Nice work setting the stage for the grand "I was trolling all along" reveal a couple posts from now.
Come on, we all know that Sup Forums LOVES being angry about something. That’s why even the worst baits get repeated hundreds of times, as there’s always someone falling for them.
hobby1
ˈhɒbi/
noun
1.
an activity done regularly in one's leisure time for pleasure.
I barely ever do it.
I don't really enjoy it.
Doesn't sound like a hobby to me.
Dude, do YOU know what dictionaries are for? I really fucking want to hear you what you fucking thought they are for.
Dammit how can you people even live being this stupid?
i'd consider gaming more of a vice. its fun kept in check
>Great argument.
You shouldn't expect an argument when you provide none.
>Yeah, nothing more valuable in the world than a bunch of cheap junk lying in your room, right?
Cheap things has value too.
>Also, by that logic playing chess, or climbing mountains still apparently aren't hobbies
Of course they're not.
I like how insecure you are, by the way. Keep it up.
taking a giant shit produces valuable fertilizer. it takes effort to pinch off a loaf using my asscheeks. therefore, by your criteria, a hobby.
Of course it's a hobby. It's just a shitty low-tier media consumption hobby like watching TV, listening to music, etc.
>taking a giant shit produces valuable fertilizer. it takes effort to pinch off a loaf using my asscheeks. therefore, by your criteria, a hobby.
Well, it is a hobby according to dictionary definition, so maybe we are right about this one, huh.
Do you consider playing piano to be a hobby - or do you think a hobby requires more activity beyond just “sit down and press buttons”?
In my eyes, playing music is a form of passive entertainment akin to watching TV or listening to music. Since at the end of the day, you haven’t truly done much beyond sitting and looking at a sheet. A fun pastime, but not something I’d necessarily consider a hobby.
Curious to hear Sup Forums‘s opinions on this.
when i exhale, i produce valuable CO2 for plants. it takes effort for the sundry tiny muscles in my diaphragm to expand and contract my lungs. therefore, by your definition, breathing is a hobby.
Not really
No, it is stupid to do so. I want to be a successful man like Trump and his family. I love business, games are just stuff I do whenever I feel like doing it.
There's nothing valuable about CO2, retard.
>hobby is when you're producing something
Nope
Yes it's a hobby considering most people's definition of what a hobby is. I mean hell, jogging is considered a hobby and that's a completely mindless activity for everyone except health nuts. By my own personal standards though it depends on how dedicated the player is. If they play like you described then no it shouldn't be a hobby, but if they show some passion and dedication like competitive players then yes, it's most definitely a hobby.
>watching TV, listening to music
Only amerimutts believe these are hobbies though.
It's way more engaging than what my family, most of my friends and my girlfriend does with their evenings, which is usually watch tv or netflix from 6-11 then go to sleep. I see it as a replacement of that, so not really a hobby, more of just a pass time. Although due to the interactive nature of video games, there's certainly room for it to become more of a hobby, depending on how engaged you really become with a game and how far the game is driven by your user-interaction or how akin it is to the likes of a movie where interaction is limited or unimportant.
That being said, I'm not so sure that the difference between a hobby and a pass time is all that large nor important.
Fucking barneyf*gs
without CO2, life on earth would cease to exist. it is valuable. however, it is not rare. these two terms are not mutually inclusive, dipshit.
Taking posts this seriously, come on dude we're on Sup Forums
Sounds like your regular heroin user
The value is assigned by humans, intellectual toddler.
Humans believe that CO2 is worthless and even damaging as it is overabundant.
It's a mental illness
What about people who are big into their platinum collection?
I have a few friends who put a large amount of effort and time into collecting platinum trophies, I see that as a hobby. Coming home and playing a match or two of CSGO however isn't. Unless they're playing CSGO competitively and trying to actually achieve a high rank, opposed to just wanting to have fun for an hour before going to be, then I could also count that as a hobby.
Like you said, producing something of value, maybe not material value, but personal value.
>collecting platinum trophies
That's totally a hobby because I do it myself
>tfw I play video games while watching TV/Movies with subs on and listen to audiobooks/podcasts simultaneously
what is that hobby called?
What's your count?
Explain then. Unless you do it for money, then it's a job obviously.
None of these are hobbies, so I doubt there's a name for it.
>only my definition counts
value is not limited to objects exchanged for currency, my sweet summer child. one person may value something more than another. i assign carbon dioxide to be of great value, invalidating your argument. try again.
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>do you think a hobby requires more activity beyond just “sit down and click buttons”?
I guess reading isn't a hobby either, then.
>You shouldn't expect an argument when you provide none.
Dude, you deny that value in subjective experience exists? So: taste cannot be valuable? This is so utterly and completely retarded, it's pretty hard to even begin adressing it properly. It's just literally not how you use the word "value" either.
Second of all: You ABSOLUTELY FAILED TO ADDRESS both the fact that values I described exist both in judgement of other people, and in TANGIBLE OBJECTS.
>Cheap things has value too.
What kind of argument is this? Yes, they have usually EMOTIONAL, SENTIMENTAL or SYMBOLIC value for some people. You know, exactly those things you said NOBODY CARES ABOUT?!
>Of course they're not.
You are - quite literally, telling me that playing Chess, Go, or Climbing mountains are not hobbies.
That is what you are saying here. So according to you, a hobby is only something that is associated with producing or accumulating physical items?
Why? WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU FIND THAT DEFINITION?!
>Akin to watching tv
>Haven't done much beyond sitting and looking at a screen
>playstation controller
pottery.
Is it autism that compels people to need to label every little thing in their lives? Do video games really need to be labeled a hobby? Why do people make these threads or the "are games art" threads? Here ill answer all you questions. It doesn't matter. None of this matters. No one but you cares.
"competitive" gaming is an oxymoron
so is jumbo shrimp but i don't see that coming off red lobster's menu any time soon
Just turn your brain off bro
Carbon dioxide itself does have value and is being traded. Your mistake in assuming that your breath and co2 is the same thing.
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>Why do people make these threads or the "are games art" threads?
Because other people, unlike you, are not so insecure that they throw a fit of bizarre rage over even talking about subjects they are interested in? Because language clarification can be useful, or at least fun to ponder? Why is this making you so mad?
That's the most retarded argument I've ever heard, congratulations.
Brainless detected, that's not what I meant.