>be NCR bitches
>get (literally) raped by local fiends and have a whole sidequest dedicated to getting your profligate asses to a shrink because your dissolute self keeps homosexually harassing your peers
>be Legion
>nail your local bandits to a cross and enslave them like a proper chad, the women are back across the Colorado doing women's roles
why is the NCR so fucking laughable?
Because the lore in the entire series is a joke.
NCR Eternally BTFO
>not independent
>be retarded larpers in football gear
>lose the first battle for hoover dam
>lose everything to a fucking mailman and his beret wearing pal soon after that
Even if you don't side with the Legion, the NCR is a fucking joke in comparison
>roman larpers
>use fucking literal spears instead pf guns
>>lose the first battle for hoover dam
The Malpais Legate was thrown into the canyon. Legatus Lanius will arrive, then the real slaughter begins.
>>lose everything to a fucking mailman and his beret wearing pal soon after that
But the mailman joins the Legion you silly goose.
>Legatus Lanius will arrive
>Legatus Lanius arrives
>achieves fucking nothing
>turns his troops around after being schooled on logistics by a FUCKING MAILMAN
>can take everything from Denver CO to Flagstaff AZ using fucking lawnmower blades
Thas rite
>can takeover a couple of fucking unimportant states
WOW so this is the might of the Legion
Against spear people. Meanwhile, NCR is BTFOing the Enclave and the Brotherhood of Steel
But it was Lee Oliver that got spanked :^)
Stick with the events that happen regardless
The Brotherhood of Steel's small as fuck outpost was wiping out whole platoons of NCR
Legion also took on the Mormons
canonically, ammo is really hard to find in the Mojave
>Stick with the events that happen regardless
like the defeat at the first battle of hoover dam? also, all LARPing aside, it was really dumb that you can just talk Lanius into turning around and leaving, he would have a mutiny on his hand in no time, and even putting that aside, its dumb that a supposedly great military mastermind apparently didn't take logistics into account
Pretty much. Fallout should've just ended with Fallout 1.
>le this city is unimportant but this one is
Smelly dumb profligate scum
>hey instead of using are resources gather ammo from our conquered land and even using one of the hundreds of reloading benches
>lets just say fuck it and use pointy sticks
good plan
Can you remind me what happens if Caesar is dead and the Legion decides to go after the 5 80 year old Enclave soldiers? Please remind me, I forget. Please. My memory is so hazy, I'm having a hard time remembering them killing hundreds of legionnaires while losing 0 casualties.
this, fallout setting is kinda shit, its ok on the most superficial level, that is retro future with the 50s aesthetic, but if you actually get into it you realise that its pretty garbage. Hell fo2 was such an embarrassing game that the devs had to come out and say that only the broadest strokes of the main plot are canon
>mutiny
Unthinkable in the Legion
>First Battle Hoover Dam
A glorified skirmish
>one side contains pre war factories and facitlies including top tech locations and one of the biggest dams in the us
>the other is fucking Flagataff and Denver
>not House
BoSfags please go
>The Devil's Brigade was disbanded sometime after the mysterious Sacking of Navarro at the hands of the New California Republic, and/or the death of Gannon Senior. During Fallout: New Vegas however, the player can convince the individual members of the Enclave remnants to reorganize and reunite for one final battle, another shot at glory, and a choice of either vindication (siding them with the NCR), or vengeance (siding them with Caesar's Legion)...
Why all these shitty arguments depending on dynamic events?
They had to be literally retarded for the premise of cosplayers being a threat to work.
If they were competent in any way the Legion would have been slaughtered long ago.
tldr
They were laughable because they had to be.
>Be NCR
>Literally murder a bunch of civilian Khan's to "send a message"
>Be Legion
>Be stuck on the other side of the fence with occasional raiding parties because you're so weak
lmao legion cucks
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One is 86 tribes and the other is soft vault dwellers
Don't you have a shrink to go talk to about that Fiend dick?
>Be Legion
>Get literally blown up during the first battle of Hoover Dam
degeneracy is the price of freedom.
>A glorified skirmish
sure, I am certain thats what legion propaganda claims it was
he was probably referring to this
>Merciless in their assault on the NCR, the Remnants struck fear into the hearts of even the centurions at Hoover Dam. Caesar's heirs aggressively pursued the Remnants into Arizona, losing hundreds of legionaries in the process and gaining nothing in return
So I can't use the endings to argue against you? So all we have to work with is that CL conquered Arizona against spear bitches, then was crushed by the NCR at the First Battle of Hoover Dam?
Legion organization and society is it's strength.
Warfare isn't a stats comparison, do you think M16 VS AK-47 debates would settle the Cold War?
The whole premise of the game is each side gearing up for the big fight, and Cottonwood Cove, Nipton, and Nelson are all Legion holdings across the Colorado
>BTFOing some washed up techno bumblefucks in the desert
What do you want a fucking medal? The Legion already crossed the Colorado. You didnt stop them at cottonwood, you didnt stop us at nipton and they turned searchlight into a festering hellscape. Morale is everything in these kind of border wars and yours is draining away.
>one is full of autistic tribals who don't even use medicine
>the other ones are atleast somewhat intelligent
Wait the NCR doesn't have san fran?
Who based Yes Man here?
>Warfare isn't a stats comparison,
when one side has no tech, no medicine, football gear for armour and are basically a bunch of spear chucking barbarians it kinda is
>Those guys that beat
>The Khans
>The Brotherhood of Steel
>The Enclave
>Yeah we can definitely win
Things that are dynamic aren't good arguments. Remnants fuck up the NCR if asked to side with the Legion, this isn't exactly a show of strength for the NCR in any outcome.
Boring people who'd rather imagine their Courier as a flawless mayor than follow an actual ideology and thought out plan.
san fran is rule by chinks
>Remnants fuck up the NCR
Uhm, they follow you and get some kills. No other information is given. In the Legion endings they are literally either too afraid to go after them, or try to and lose hundreds of soldiers
No Gods, No Masters.
And the other is a highly efficient society, with a recognized wartime ethos, proven conquerors, using melee weapons largely because they HAVE to, and provides complete security in their lands.
Legion is VERY efficient, this is undisputable, and backed by the dialogue of Ulysses and Cass.
>Fallout Tactics.
>BOS sect makes their own nation in the mid-west.
>Could have this cool lore about a large empire of power armor wearing psycho fucks and their army of conscripts alongside the NCR and Caesar's Legion.
>Lol not canon.
Well, whether you're Legion, NCR or House, I think we can all come together and agree that picking Yes Man is for boring people who have never had anything to contribute in a discussion
Caesar does mention they encountered some BoS scribes in the East
>Arrêt!
The only interesting BoS is the flawed one that's in way over their heads and completely misguided. Any other is just fan fic to me, which I guess is kinda ironic because I'm ignoring like 3 games worth of lore.
Stop samefagging your shitty opinion.
>Khans
Slaughtered to the last man by the Vault Dweller, then brutalized by the Chosen One. The Great Khans were barely relevant by the time the NCR got around to finally fucking them up.
>Brotherhood of Steel
Number > Technology. The BoS refused to adapt to the situation and every time one of their bunkers was breached, they blew themselves up.
>The Enclave
Crippled by the Chosen One and even then, it took NCR years before they worked up the courage to trash Navarro. Giving plenty of Enclave members the chance to run or integrate into the NCR.
Reminder that the First Battle of Hoover Dam was won entirely by the Rangers leading an idiot into a trap several miles from the Dam itself.
>Merciless in their assault on the NCR, the Remnants struck fear into the hearts of even the centurions at Hoover Dam. Well aware of the full extent of their power, Caesar commanded his troops to not pursue them
The Remnants are hard, pipe-hitting niggas who won hard no matter what. The NCR is in no position of supremacy.
>Be elite Legion cuck literally trained from birth to be a warrior
>Get BTFO by some degenerates with shitty rifles and a week of training
Seeing as how they have many Enclave kills under their belt against soldiers that aren't dinosaur bones, I feel like they do.
I agree wholeheartedly
t. Legionfag
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It's sad there wasn't more dialogue/content for playing a female legion courier.
You can tell Ulysses he has a small benis, which totally makes up for it.
I don't think anyone believes that Legion wins in a head-on fight of equal numbers.
Legion wins through crafting a winning situation. Superior organization and tactics is what gives them the advantage, which is why the NCR can sit in a tower with a rifle, while the Legion manuevers across the river, sends ambassadors to the Khans, and saps at NCR morale.
Lmao what is this comic?
>power armor psycho fucks
>their intelligent deathclaw flankers
>their super mutant shock troops
>their tribal and ghoul cannon fodder
>posed to encounter the Enclave in the midwest
10/10 will never be used
Until they were lead into Boulder City, they were winning the first battle at Hoover Dam.
NCR loves to play the numbers game by meat grinding its troops. Legion loves to play the numbers game by meat grinding its troops. When it comes to fodder vs fodder, the Legion has NCR beaten. When it comes to special forces, the Rangers shit all over them.
Sounds uninteresting as fuck.
Canononically, Graham was punished for biting off more than he could chew, the Legion lost because they broke from tradition, not because they stuck with it.
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t. Legion(literal)fag
He followed standard doctrine, which is why he got BTFO
not an argument
Daily Reminder that Legion is canon a better governing entity
Seeing as how they constantly hint at Lanius being a terrible leader, don't you think they're trying to say that the flaws of the Roman Empire will be the same flaws of Caesar's Legion. Not that I know much history, but didn't they have a few great leaders that conquered and brought prosperity, but also had shit leaders like Nero and whoever else. So Caesar's Legion will suck whenever it's not in the hands of a man like Edward Sallow.
Did Louis C.K. write this shit
>Roman Empire lasts over a millenium
>the United States is THE OLDEST enlightenment-era republican governemnt with less than 250 years
lel
Fallout rts when?
BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL
>get a card
>never show up in game
>basically the same thing as the Frumentarii, only established sooner and exclusively a military group
I am sure Boones wife appreciated Caesars order as she was raped for no reason at all, the Legion is essentially a giant raider group and they got put down like an animal
I'm sure Carla appreciated Boone's bullet to the brain, too
I'm certain the whole Mojave will appreciate having a government that doesn't have it's head stuck up it's ass
In the Legion lands, you might get raped as an enemy. In the NCR your SOLDIERS are raped by FIENDS.
>Looks like Moore
The legion literally cucks the NCR and they love it.
But in all honesty, Vulpes is a 10/10 husbando only for the pure love of yaoi
>you might get raped as an enemy.
their whole society is built on slavery and rape, you get raped just because some random legionnaire got horny, its a fucking shithole and I wiped them the fuck out
>he isn't aware of NCR Slaver's Guilds
>he thinks one country's imperialism is magically better than another's
when did you realise that fallout is a shit setting? for me it was halfway through fallout 2
The Legion is a "good" governing entity in the same sense as how the Mongols were, they brought genuine peace and order by murdering and enslaving huge amounts of people while the rest kowtow out of fear
I am actually unaware of what you are talking about.
Vulpes has a gal or something?
NCR is literally the MGTOW of factions
More akin to Rome in barbarian lands, the Legion adopted crucifixion from their inspiration, remember.
The girl in the comic has the same hair as Cassandra Moore, the NCR commander or what not
when did you realize you suck!!!
Vulpes is cute! Cute!
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I'm pretty sure Rome was an actual nation rather than a horde of barbarians and slaves that goes around raping and pillaging everything in its path until its charismatic leader dies
Wish Vulpes or Joshua were romanceable, absolutely no romanceable characters in NV interest me, but then again the romance aspect was quite bland.
>no romanceable characters in NV
Well, you got that part right at least
>absolutely no romanceable characters in NV interest me
maybe because there arent any besides profligate prostitutes
Captcha: Waterside Romans
how come they are so anti degenerate while being pretty degenerate themselves and rape women etc? whats their logic.
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If women aren't people, then it doesn't matter what you do to them