Xenoblade 2 thread

Xenoblade 2 thread

Holy shit did this scene hit me in the feels. Wonderful character development for the whole cast all around, especially during Rex's powerup when he used Mythra. This is starting to turn into one of the best rpgs I've ever played.

Would've been fantastic if Rex yelled after Vandam bit the dust and Nia could sound a little less casual when she's surprised by Jin's motivation to destroy all of mankind.

Just some adjustments is all

I will never understand his shit design

Felt too similar to Prison Island and completely misled me on how Mythra and Pyra's characters would be used throughout the story (and not in a good way)

You sound like one of those forneverworld watching shonen loving aspies who just heard the word character development

Shulk was more meneacing during Prison island but the scene did its job the games are going in parallel so it makes sense to feel similar
Also Monado II looks cooler just by changing position of a little segment

What the fuck was his problem?

>Developed a hatred for mankind ever since some guys killed his mom
>Turned himself into a killer as a child, showing himself he was capable of taking life
>Tried to be better and help people but they kept fucking him over
>Decide that the world doesn't deserve to exist
>Instead of trying to change the world, that would require him to change himself and admit he's part of the problem
He's the one character that Rex's party didn't try to redeem because he's the one whose genuine nihilistic attitude was unredeemable (whereas the rest of Torna are just the products of his hatred and actions)

is this game worth getting

>Shulk was more meneacing during Prison island

I don't give a fuck what Sup Forums says. Rex was too much of a beta in this game and was the biggest detriment to its story.

>I killed a bunch of guys when I was just a kid singlehandedly

That's the stupidest part

some of you guys are alright, don't go the World Tree tomorrow.

>Rex was too much of a beta in this game
I keep hearing this but I don't get where it applies outside of maybe the end of chapter 6 maybe

What do you mean?

It's a pretty shit localization, has stuff censored, end game content boils down to mobile shit levels of RNG, the sense of progression is fucked thanks to the weird level scaling, and the story makes no god damn sense.

If you don't look into it seriously, it's an alright game, but there are problems with it, just like every sandbox game.

>rex
>beta

I don't think you know what that work means

Nigger they were sleeping and he bashed their heads in with rocks. Very gory and bloody for my wife’s son’s E rated family friendly Nintendo Wii switch

>Bonded over 200 crystals to Morag
>Not a single rare blade

Is Morag cursed or something?

*Torna

End-game is actually just superbosses like with all Xenoblade games.
>story makes no goddamn sense
There's not that many loose threads

>tfw someone told me Gladiator Orion was the hardest superboss despite his level
>killed him from 70% HP with a 2 orb chain attack

Damn nigga, Poppi QTPI and KOS MOS really are fucking busted.

>It's a pretty shit localization

Opinion, and a shitty one at that.

> has stuff censored,

What the fuck? This ain't XCX son. And before you say it, name changes =/= censoring.

>down to mobile shit levels of RNG,

Partly true, but you can form a decent party with blades acquirable through sidequests and the system only gets really fucky once the pool of rare blades gets tight

Oh shit, immediately after posting this I got Vale on her.

The curse is broken!

Got Godfrey on Nia on accident, should I use override protocol to get him on morag?

Look at how he runs away from his hallucinations even in chapter 10

You shouldn't use an Overdrive on Godfrey at all.

He sucks no matter what

He's shit, let him rot on the bench.

Rex isn't a beta, he's just boring. It's weird, I liked him a lot in Chapter 1 when it's just him, but by the halfway point I was really indifferent to him and Pyra. They're supposed to be a couple, but I thought their interactions with each other were really weak compared to other characters. Brighid contemplating giving Morag part of her core crystal so she could be with her forever was a cooler character moment than almost anything you see between Rex and Pyra. Mythra's alright since you see her attitude towards him change, which was nice, but she's still pretty much just your typical tsundere.

BLOODY

It's the Architect literally bringing his inner demons into reality, what the fuck do you expect. This was the case for the entire party and they're clearly all shaken up to some degree once they . If that's your best claim for Rex being a beta it's garbage

literally no censorship

>see your friends stating all their resentments from you
>in a dreamlike situation where he's teleporting all over the world
>he's running away from it.
Almost as if it was a thing that the Architect invoked specifically to simulate a nightmare, to observe what his party felt towards each other.

Godfrey isn't good and he also has autism. Don't bother.

...

His boringness comes from him being a beta. Does he get angry at a villain once during this game? Even the final battle is him trying to give speeches on friendship and reason with the bad guy.


Usually sequences like that with the character facing and overcoming those demons. Rex actually gives up completely and the game makes no further attempt to address this or show how it changed him. You could say it was subverting the trope, but some tropes are tropes for a reason because the allternative sucks.

BLUNDER

How was she expecting to win Rex when he's probably envisioning those teeth on his dick at that moment?

Too bad the character design is just shit. He's wearing a pair of skin-tight shorts with a bigger pair of floating shorts on top. How was I supposed to take any scene he's in seriously?

>Malos
>bad guy

Put Fast Blade Switch IV on Poppi QT pi and Tora will start doing full driver combos all by himself.

>Does he get angry at a villain once during this game?
He gets kinda pissed when Jin kills Haze/Fan but, I can agree that some more moments of intense anger would have given him some more personality. I think there's bigger problems with him as a character than that though.

you really REALLY shouldn't be here if you haven't finished the game

her perfect butt

I thought Pyra and Rex were alright as a couple. Her wanting to see his home town was pretty cute, her being touched by his dedication to her in chapter 2 was pretty good.
Admittedly, the game gives a lot of screentime to other characters, so Rex and Pyra will fall by the wayside when its someone else's moment to shine, like Tora in chapter 4 or Morag in chapter 6.
I would have liked to see more of them just interacting together in cutscenes like the camp-fire bit in chapter 2

The lack of any real antagonist for Rex to derive conflict and development from is another huge problem for the game

>I think there's bigger problems with him as a character than that though.

Definitely, but for me it's the one that frustrates me the most in comparison to Shulk who might have been a pessimist, but knew how to throw down the gauntlet when it was time to

She never gave him a good look at it

Why couldnt he be the final boss?

>muh dog mode
>muh harem

Censorshitters once again showing that they don't actually want things to change and would rather complain forever.

NIA

IS

A

BEST

Yes

how those two died was fucking lame. At least Mikhail went out better

He get angry at Jin but that's kind of the whole theme of the game: how our relationships shape us.
Malos was formed by Amalthus' misanthropy and hatred towards the world, and Rex is trying to redeem Malos since he feels like there has to be another way of living beyond just destroying things we hate. That's what he was talking about in his entire mid-battle cutscene in the final boss

Play in JP

Except what would overcoming those demons be? These weren't personal demons, these were things that people thought about him.

Hence, why he breaks down when he's having dinner with Pyra and Mithra and realizes he doesn't really know the people he's been traveling with and just stringing them along with his blind, shonen optimism

Godfrey is useless outside of tanking a few attacks from unique enemies and bosses. Just leave him on her for now.

It's really just Rex and Nia though. Morag is good, Zeke is good, Vandam is good.

Even Rex and Nia are good when they aren't in an overly emotional scene, they do well to give personality in the casual scenes. It's like one of those games where you pop out from one end of the screen when you pass through the other: every time they're about to peak out emotionally, it feels like they reset back to 0

That scene was honestly kino as fuck

>You will never tease Nia for the way her ears flop around when she's talking

But when you're going through the game murdering everything in your path it creates a massive disconnect between what Rex is saying and doing. Action games shouldn't try to be amoral.

>Except what would overcoming those demons be? These weren't personal demons, these were things that people thought about him.

No, those were demons shaped by his personal fears like his guilt about not properly addressing Nia saying she loved him. That scene should have ended in him finally resolving to properly verbalize his feelings on the issue

I find Rex to be the only real problem. Nia did a good job under the directions she took.

But Rex can't scream worth a damn, and he knew he was taking a Shone Main Character role.

Yeah, it's fucking amazing, easily one of the best RPGs in recent memory.

Great story, great cast, likable side-crew, a few decent villains and some top tier world building.

The "censorship" is literally Gramps not explicitly being worried that Pyra is gonna offer to sell her body (which she wasn't anyway, so it doesn't matter), something about dog mode, and a reference to a Bikini being changed to a reference to a Bunny Outfit. It's fucking nothing.

It was also the start of Rex really hitting emotional extremes like he should have been the entire game.
When he started breaking down, I suddenly felt something for the main character in a moment of turmoil just from hearing his voice. It was refreshing

>I would have liked to see more of them just interacting together in cutscenes like the camp-fire bit in chapter 2
That's kind of the problem, they don't really get a lot moments like that, and their interactions with each other outside of those moments is really dull. It also doesn't help that Pyra herself is a really boring character. More boring than Rex, I'd say. Her only cool moment in my opinion is when she's trying to threatening to kill herself with the Siren's targetting laser.

>It was also the start of Rex really hitting emotional extremes like he should have been the entire game.
This, if he had more shit like that throughout the game instead of right at the end he would have been a lot better.

Rex, Pyra, and Mythra are the weakest parts of the entire game, and it's a real huge shame because they're the main focus. After awhile, the only thing that starts coming out of Rex's mouth is about Pyra, Mythra, Elysium, or the Aegis. It really fucking wears on you just how absolutely goddamn obsessed the guy is about it. Like, fuck man, we get it, but is that all you can say? It doesn't help that he's so fucking selfish about it that he literally can't pay attention to the pain Nia is going through on their way down into the Crucible because it's all he's focused on, not the well-being of his teammates. Pyra coddled Rex all throughout the story, and their relationship is obnoxiously contrived. The fact that the game also tries to force Mythra (Yet completely fails at it) is another aspect I disliked entirely. It's fucking astonishing how boring the actual main characters are, while everyone in your party is so much better than you.

>he knew he was taking a Shonen Main Character role.
I'm not really sure he did. 99% of the dub cast is pretty new to voice acting, much less dubbing Japanese works.

>It doesn't help that he's so fucking selfish about it that he literally can't pay attention to the pain Nia is going through on their way down into the Crucible because it's all he's focused on, not the well-being of his teammates

To be fair, at least one member of the central cast should have realized she was a blade by then.

>It's fucking astonishing how boring the actual main characters are, while everyone in your party is so much better than you.

This happens a lot in games and shows and I'll never understand why. Authors prove they understand good character building with a great side cast and then completely abandon their talent with the protagonist

>Xenoblade is an action game
that aside, this game clearly doesn't treat beating someone in the combat as killing them, the boss fights are proof enough of that. You're beating people up in Xenoblade 2 and MAYBE killing the animals. It's like Pokemon in that way I suppose.

>No, those were demons shaped by his personal fears like his guilt
Except Klaus states "Those were not your present forms but your other selves that lie within"
All the things each person was seeing came from the other party members' hearts, not the viewer themselves

>It doesn't help that he's so fucking selfish about it that he literally can't pay attention to the pain Nia is going through on their way down into the Crucible because it's all he's focused on, not the well-being of his teammates

And don't forget immediately afterwards

>Why didn't you tell us you were a blade
>I just didn't, okay? (voice audibly shaken, obviously hiding more to the story)
>No, it's not okay!

Asshole

Rex has literally just had everything he was working for turn to ashes infront of him. All his hopes and his dream to help humanity amounted to a wasteland, and all that's left is to stop Malos- which won't even matter, because without Elysium the world is doomed anyway.

He's at his lowest point since Pyra was kidnapped. And he's not fighting against some corrupted version of his friends, or some inner demons, he's literally faced with his deepest fears from his companions.

Whether he ran away or not wasn't important, we see that. He ran from Nia and Morag (after fighting them) but fought Zeke and Tora, it didn't change anything. The architect wasn't interested in that, he was interested in what Rex would see, what his fears were.

And he saw that every one of his fears, for all his friends, was that he'd let them down, hurt them, or not been good enough for them.

That's why he was able to have hope again, because that kind of compassionate humanity was exactly why he created Blades to guide humans.

I had a similar feeling until I got to the Chapter 10 nightmares where the rest of the cast basically says the same thing.
>Rex, you put your own bullshit above that of entire nations
>Rex, you're only liking Pyra because you're thinking with your dick, you're obsessed
>Rex, you're a fucking kid making matters that need to be made by a rational adult
>Rex, you're a talentless, lucky hack

It actually did an interesting job recontextualizing all the shonen shit that came before

Yeah I thought that was a little weird, that whole scene was supposed to be about her coming to terms with herself and not hiding who she really is but then still can't bring herself to be completely open in the following cutscene.

When I say action game" I mean anything that has you solving your problems with violence

>Except Klaus states "Those were not your present forms but your other selves that lie within"

That whole scene made no fucking sense. If this is true then I really wish they would've shown what the others saw from Rex. I really want to know what emotions he's capable of besides constant optimism

She's being honest about who she is, but that doesn't mean she has to find her past suddenly fun to talk about.

>Getting real screaming and desperation at the end of chapter 3
I get the sense that they wanted that scene to show Rex's anger. It would have been better if we heard him sobbing a little in his scream.
When he starts running and his knee buckles a bit at first, I thought it was gonna be heart wrenching but it was mostly just an emotional flatline because of the delivery.

But then you get chapter 10 and it makes me think that it was mostly just every VA not knowing the context for their lines because they were just trying to get the English dub done in time for the international release. That's just a theory though

That was a good moment but it was kind of too little too late by that point, in my opinion

None of that's really true though, he's just scared of that. I think it's more important that they're saying those things than what specifically they're saying.

It's still ruined by him running away and basically proving them right. That's not going to make me like a character I was already iffy on

Vandham? I hardly knew him!

I still say the story would have been better if Pyra/Mythra actually died / cut themselves off from Rex in Chapter 7. He still would have gone to Elysium "with" Pyra through the core crystal implant and it would be more heartfelt to have him grow on his own and continue the quest with his own motives or in memory of Pyra.

>besides constant optimism
Beyond the dub delivery of the lines, we see plenty of emotions
>Insecurity over Pyra/Mithra liking Addam so much
>Anger over Vandam
>Despair in chapter 7
He has a temperament, all people do. It just happens to be optimistic

I don't think it's ruined by that but I do think it would have worked better if he had more to say than just "Huh? You guys are acting weird!" every time

There's literally no point in going to Elysium without them

>To be fair, at least one member of the central cast should have realized she was a blade by then.
Well, Pyra and Mythra, and to a lesser extent Poppi, definitely knew about it. I think Morag and Brighid had caught on as well, or at least had started to.
>This happens a lot in games and shows and I'll never understand why.
Honestly it might be a meme answer, but it's probably for the purpose of self-insertion. The problem is is that Rex just isn't interesting in the slightest, and lacks the things that made Shulk so likable.

Yeah, the way Rex reacted to that situation was in poor taste. It really puts it into perspective of how much of a dumb kid (Age 15) he is when he says that she should have just said so from the start, as if she could. It only came at a time when she truly felt comfortable with it, but Rex is too naive to understand the full situation.

I can't say whether or not if it's a good thing when the player literally agrees to everything that gets pointed out as to why your main character/hero is such a shit character. Plus he just runs away screaming like an autistic screecher, not even being able to actually face his problems.

Yeah i'm still miffed by how they pushed this aside. This should have happened in an earlier chapter so that they'd all be able to talk about it, they all obviously have hang ups about traveling with Rex.

That's fine.
You can dislike Rex but I take exception when people say he was fundamentally poorly written or conceived. You can still dislike competently conceived characters, but there's a difference between that and a character whose development has substantial issues.

I never buy into any of them not just based on the acting but on the script. A darker inner Rex would've been a real help in getting me invested in his character

>The problem is is that Rex just isn't interesting in the slightest, and lacks the things that made Shulk so likable.

Part of the problem with Rex is that they don't want you to truly self-insert onto him which raises the bar for how likable and well fleshed out he needs to be to carry a story

Except Klaus explicitly states that the forms they saw were their "potential selves"
It makes sense but I agree, I'd like to see the other characters' visions.
A nice little tidbit is that Nia goes into that scene in her Driver oufit but comes out in her Blade outfit

>It's another "The game sucks because Rex didn't choose Nia" poster

My God. It's stupid how butthurt people get about that.

Nia was never expecting Rex to want her, she probably wouldn't have even known what to do if he had accepted her words, because she'd wouldn't want want to screw over Pyra.

The entire story is framed around Rex, Pyra and Mythra. His key character moment is him throwing away his pretences and excuses, and dedicating himself to them, living for them, and accepting them as Addam couldn't.

Dating the cute catgirl would have made no goddamn sense.

I LOVED Nia, she's a great character and one of my absolute favorites.

But seeing people get this bent out of shape because she didn't get with Rex, when the game never once indicated she would, when it would have made no sense for her to have... It's ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous.

If it's that important to you that Nia gets with Rex, the ending leaves plenty of possibly of her joining him now that everything's over.

Except that wasn't the point of that sequence. Those were Rex's insecurities, not the party's.

>It makes sense but I agree,

It doesn't make sense because Klaus presents it like a test, yet Rex failed it by every conceivable measure yet Klaus thinks highly of him for it.

Good thing it wasn't that kind of test then.

It doesn't help that the game feels very rushed from chapters 7 to 10. The game would have benefited a lot just taking your time. I mean, you're in Elysium for all of 5 minutes, and that's it. The part of the game that gets built up the most is reduced to a small little sandbox. The funneling all happened once you got to the Cliffs of Morytha, and it only got worse from there. Land of Morytha might as well be a single hallway, and the World Tree is just a glorified elevator ride.

>>It's another "The game sucks because Rex didn't choose Nia" poster
I never said that at all you dumb reddit-spacing retard. Fucking hell, get over yourself.

>It's another "You can only think criticize Rex/Pyra/Mythra if you're a diehard Niafag" poster


Thinking Rex and Pyra/Mythra are boring characters (because they are) does not mean the only reason someone thinks so is because of the romance. Nia is just an obvious reference to make as being by far the most well written character in the game and a good comparison to highlight what went wrong with developing the Rex and the Aegis sisters.

>You can dislike Rex but I take exception when people say he was fundamentally poorly written or conceived
I don't have a problem with him "fundamentally", whatever that means, but I definitely think he wasn't written or developed as well as he could have been.

I don't see what kind of test it could have been that what Rex did was remotely the correct answer.

Finally a translated H Doujin.d

Well yeah, it's pretty obvious you didn't understand it. There wasn't a correct answer in the first place you retard.

Pyra did her part as the "Serene waifu whose smile is worth protecting, but who would be willing to sacrifice bravely for the sake of everyone else if needs be" perfectly. he coddles Rex because that's her purpose in the plot and the plot needed it. She's meant to be our most treasured person.

Rex is a dumbass though, that's for sure, and Mythra doubly so. I can believe someone is heartfelt about being saved from death by being gifted half of their lifespan, but fuck me, you're right about him focusing way to hard on her.


But he's STILL not as bad as Shulk was. Rex actually acts like a leader when needed, and helps others find the better part of themselves (mostly nia and morag). Sure the other characters look up to him unreasonably, but at least there's moments that justify it.

Meanwhile, Shulk never has these momens, he only mans up when he's pointing a sword at a boss, and is almost always the one being supported by others. He's even a fucking turboautist to the point he nearly lets his friends die pointlessly. Shulk learns about the power to see the immediate future, the power to predict death, and he SHUTS UP about it, instead of letting others deal with it the best way t avoid it. This is specially aggravating since this still continues happening after he could clearly see that having a vision does not assure a death, and the loss of Fiora was still recent, so he should have the motivation to not let that happen again.

I disagree though, it wouldn't have made sense with his archetype. It wouldn't have added much to his development or his motivations or his personality if you think about it.

A darker inner Rex has no explanation for it and goes against his character. I imagine this is suggested because Shulk went on a genocidal rampage after Fiora died, and I'd like to explain why this is bad writing because I hear it all the time.

Shulk's rage over Fiora's death makes sense in the context of a world with effectively two races constantly at odds with each other. That's kind of the point, it's to show how that moment of personal loss turned Shulk into a fairly blind killing machine towards, well, machine beings.

Rex has no reason to harbor that kind of hatred because his character arc is about realizing what our relationships to each other mean and how they develop our own selves. By the end of the story, he realizes that even Malos, the guy who took Vandam away from him, is just the product of his resonance with Amalthus.

Showing Rex as someone who would want to murder or hurt someone unnecessarily goes against the entire message of the game which is "Our relationships shape us; better to salvage what good is in each other than destroy"

The "Darker inner rex" is Amalthus; a driver of the Aegis who similarly wanted to help mankind but often saw them at their lowest and eventually decided it was better to just destroy mankind

Then what was the "wrong" answer? The sequence did nothing but shit all over the protagonist as if the moral of the story is that he's actually spineless. Certainly an interesting route to go with the story, but not exactly a good one