Shadowrun

What a cringeworthy mashup of fantasy and sci-fi tropes into one universe. And the writing is worse than anything I experienced from BIOWARE. I thought crowd-funded games without the control of game-corporations are supposed to have really good writing, with the writers not being limited to appealing to the lowest common denominator and paying attention to staying politically correct?

Seriously, it feels like a 12 year old edge-master wrote the story for this game

Do you care to elaborate on your complaints or can we just write you off as just another shitposter with shit taste?

Really it's that bad? I heard constant praise for this from people saying, "oh it's awesome it's like the movie Bright, but way better."

Technically Bright is a lesser ripoff of Shadowrun since Shadowrun came before Bright.

Ah I see. I don't really care for the movie. It was ok, but the setting did interest me.

If you found Bright interesting you'll like Shadowrun. And you've got about 60 years of history in the setting to consume, with its own ups and downs.

well fuck you too. dragonfall is great.

I guess most of the shittiness is directly related to the universe of shadowrun tabletop games, so at least this is not really the dev's fault. It just feels so unnecessary to have those Tolkien races in a sci-fi game. Then they also add ghouls and mutants and dragons and crazy AI on the Internet and whatnot.

But why would they come up with all this skinhead racist stuff in a game about Germany? Then the thing about religious parents and Manson-cult (Glory's character-mission) and conspiracy theories? And in the prequel you have a private investigator story like in a shitty film noire (have we not mashed up enough genres by now?). There is not one drop of originality in this thing.

>Cyberpunk game has punks

What did you expect? You might as well complain about rape in oWoD.

Quality bait, my friend. However, HBS's SR games aren't popular enough that you'll get a massive response.

OK, nevermind my complains. I guess I will just ditch Hong Kong. Just tell me please, if I hated all the stolen stories and a magic-and-cyberpunk-mashup-universe, will I enjoy Planescape Torment or not?

First of all its cyberpunk not sci fi. Second of all thats the entire point of shadowrun, to smash cyberpunk and fantasy together. Something cannot be unnecessary if its the entire point of the game.
>But why would they come up with all this skinhead racist stuff in a game about Germany?
Shadowrun lore. Humanis is a policlub across the world, why would Germany not have a branch?
>Then the thing about religious parents and Manson-cult (Glory's character-mission)
Because spirits are real and religious cults springing up to worship these spirits is a logical step? Theres a fucking cult that worships Big D, the dragon who was president of the UCAS for like 5 hours. Cults are a real thing in this world, why would they suddenly stop existing in an alt future thats only 60 years ahead of us?
>conspiracy theories?
Conspiracy theories are as integral to cyberpunk as neon is.
>And in the prequel you have a private investigator story like in a shitty film noire (have we not mashed up enough genres by now?)
A crime story does not automatically make something film noir. Film noir and cyberpunk do often go hand in hand, but returns wasnt film noir it was a crime story.
>There is not one drop of originality in this thing
There hasnt been an original story in culture for generations. But there is plenty of uniqueness to Shadowrun and thats enough to make people like it.

TL'DR, your complaints are wrong and you should feel bad.

It shares universe with Forgotten Realms and Spelljammer so no.

Why the fuck would you enjoy Planescape Torment if you hate fun? Go play Cowadoody with your frat brothers.

Please fuck off amerifat.

Shadowrun is a great setting and you are a fucking moron.

If you don't want to play anarchists just get your group together and play a campaign as a freelance corporate wetworks team, you can ban Shamans and non-academic mages for good measure.

Shadowrun is about handling cyberpunk in a way that isn't as grim as actually playing cyberpunk straight.
It's about telling stories about a horrible future the same way people tell stories about a horrible past, they spice shit up with literal monsters and horrors.
The CEO is a draconian mastermind who jealously hoards his wealth and would kill to keep it? He's actually a dragon now.
People live in such extreme poverty that it seems like they're barely alive, or that such injustice seems like evidence that evil exists? They're ghouls now, and Kowloon is full of magical demons.
Racism? Wildly different races. Cults and trauma? Cut out your soul by becoming a cool cyborg. Conspiracies? They're real because they're already mostly crazy to begin with.
The truth is, cyberpunk settings tend to be horrific when you put any thought into them at all, but they look cool, so if you're not writing cyberpunk stories to examine our current reality you're probably aiming to romanticise it, make it hopeful enough that the reader doesn't get depressed just thinking about it.
Throwing myth and metaphor into the mix is one of the easiest ways to do that. In straight cyberpunk, you don't win. You can barely even entertain the idea. But with magic? Magic can do anything. The boss is a dragon? Dragons get slain all the time.

Shadowrun's a setting where you can win and keep your hopes up while looking like cool cyberpunk dudes. Because it's a game setting.

>pic
what

Also if you can't appreciate film noir in cyberpunk of all things (even though Returns is nothing like that) I suggest you give up on the genre completely until you've read Neuromancer.
I mean what kinda idiot goes looking for an original bone in the body of a cyborg? Cyberpunk is the MTV of literature, and you can quote Gibson on that.
Thumbnail glitches, man.
Blame moot.

Dragonfall was probably the best rpg i played since Morrowind.
Its one of the very few games that had me thinking about the story all the way to the end instead of going through the motions and forgetting the thing a day later.

Its a game thats greater than the sum of its parts. Most evidently by the fact i could not even get halfway through Hong Kong before i dropped that game.

I finished the entire trilogy. All of them, except returns, are pretty good and the fact that there are no other cyberpunk games like these made me really sad. I also finished shadowrun chronicles. I was that desperate for more.

Oh fuck off faggot. HK was better than Dragonfall in every way shape and form. Better mechanics, soundtrack, and most importantly characters. No party members in Dragonfall bar Glory comes close to any HK party members. DF npcs aren't even in the same ballpark. You must be a braindead kraut that hates Asia to like DF over HK.

You have some incredible shit taste chummer.

You're right, Glory is the only one who comes close to say, Rachter. But none of them reach the sheer depths of annoyance that the Somalian midget reach

I always thought shadowrun was a neat series, but only really because its pretty much the only thing that actually tried to take the generic fantasy setting out of the mid-late middle ages backdrop it is forever stuck in

Yeah but Is0bel is super hot for a Somalian dwarf girl. Also she had a pretty fucking shit life. I am sure Glory wouldn't be such a nice chick either if she had more than .01 essence.

>for a somalian dwarf girl
Like saying 'attractive for someone missing half of their face'

Racter > PC > Gobbet > Duncan > Isobel

Gaichu defies being put on the scale, he's cool though. Racter is easily the best NPC and would be a classic remembered by many people if they actually bothered to include good voice acting. Both HK and Dragonfall are superb and would also be classics if they gave you more playstyle options and fixed the abysmal UI.

Is0bel is definitely better than that selfish canonically gay faggot ragetard. I am glad that he dies when you choose to stay sinless in the side story.

I do not remember Duncan being gay and I've played through the entire story + DLC twice. Even if he is, it's not shoved in your face. I like Duncan, he wants to be a professional and I can appreciate it.

No he wants to be Sinner scum even if it means fucking over the rest of your party. He never tried to become their friends and stayed a standoffish asshole the entire game.

Gibson is a fucking mega cukk

>I do not remember Duncan being gay
He very casually mentions having a boyfriend in college at one point.
>No he wants to be Sinner scum even if it means fucking over the rest of your party.
Can you blame him? It's either that or living like a rat on the edge of society, and it doesn't exactly 'fuck over' your crew if you leave beyond them losing your contributions to the team.
>He never tried to become their friends and stayed a standoffish asshole the entire game.
He was standoffish but not really an asshole to them, and there was definitely a sense of camaraderie by the end.
God Is0bel is the fucking worst. I honestly wish I could have killed her off and still gotten the good end, she's a fucking horrible person.

Racter is too but he's at least interesting and sorta funny at times. Kinda wish you could argue against him without him being completely condescending about it though.

My biggest gripe with these games is you cant import custom assets. My god if you could get that in it would open up the doors for some great mods.

I hate her too. How does she manage to be so dislikable. Pretty sure part of the reason I like gobbet even more is because of how much of a foil is0bel is.

It'd be nice if they at least made the assets work between fucking games.

It's ridiculous that you can't and would go a long way towards alleviating the issue.

Racter is a psychopath but he's a polite. cultured and funny one. As long as you're fun to be around you can be as twisted as you want.

>all this skinhead racist stuff
So you are a shitposter from Sup Forums that thinks everything with a hint of ideology is a critique of american racial relationships.

>First of all its cyberpunk not sci fi.
cyberpunk is sci fi you fucking retard

Simple.
>Character quest is about her being a bitch to an old friend she assumed betrayed her and heavily implies she murdered her cat, while there's also a side-quest in it where she seriously considers murdering a dude to steal his deck
>Casually mentions having caught a troll who flamed her in cyberspace and says that she's torturing him, gets mad at you for interrupting her which allowed him to escape
>Literally every time you talk to her she's annoyed at the interruption or at how you're walking in her space
>Genuinely have to force her to confront her memories even though the fate of the city is at stake and her reluctance is quite possibly gonna get people killed, which is frustrating on a meta level as a player and kinda contemptible in-universe too
>Is condescending and snarky which means she's often insulting others but she's also jumpy and prone to being the first to lose her nerve

Cyberpunk is a subset of science fiction, if there is a more specific term to describe something you use it.

And just like that. any doubt about the fact that you have clue of what your talking about has vanished.

I never regreted killing her in the "its just one city" ending for that good luck.

Watching Racter and Gaichi back you up was amazing ..even when you go full evil

What do they say?

The best thing about Racter was how well they hide that he's an android from the waist down. And then he casually mentions that it doesn't matter because he does not have any essence due to already being a sociopath.

> I thought crowd-funded games without the control of game-corporations are supposed to have really good writing
You are an idiot, then.

Except Dragonfall and Hong Kong really do have great writing, lmao.

To be fair, Gaichu would follow you even if you declared war on the entire world, if only because you treat him like a true friend even though he's a ghoul. But yeah. the full evil ending was great if only for their reactions. Made the after-story stuff a little weird but w/e.

it feels impossible to go back to Dragonfall and Returns, if only because of based Rachter and Gaichu backing you up like true bros. Everyone else feels like a fucking faggot with their shit opinions thrown at you

You are rolling with a bunch of fucking misfits and retards with problems, it's a wonder it works out as well as it does in DF and HK, honestly. Well, the Dragonfall party is fucked due to meeting Lofwyr at the end, but that's beside the point.

I can't remember what the part exactly say about you accepting the Yama kings deal , but it goes full betrayal and everyone but Racter and Gaichu turns against you...they are loyal to you personally and like you

Shame about Gobbet and Raymond but i had no regrets gunning down Isobel and Duncan

>complaining about fantasy elements in Shadowrun

Shadowrun is possibly, without a hint of irony, the most graceful and timeless handling of fear of the future that fuels cyberpunk.

The face of racial tensions can change over time, but spinning that into humanity vs metahumanity makes it universal. What type of political entity rules supreme can change, but they will always be impossible to topple and hoarding wealth without end like a dragon. Hell, the common trope of cybernetic implants making you less human has a reason in Shadowrun, as souls and magic are very real and sticking material things into your body does lessen your connection with immaterial

Stop being a philistine who looks at a genre rather than themes, OP

>Racter is too but he's at least interesting and sorta funny at times. Kinda wish you could argue against him without him being completely condescending about it though.

You can if you have the Academic etiquette

How do I avoid getting hit by granade spam?

I do not remember nades ever being a problem in Shadowrun, except for those retarded stun ones that cost you your action points. You can get a cybernetic arm that catches these and throws them back, Duncan also has it.

> No party members in Dragonfall bar Glory comes close to any HK party members

Fuck you, Dietrich is the best

>instead of symbolism we just turned them into giant fucking symbols lmao

...

>using symbols is not symbolism

Were you dropped a lot as a child?

I will always remember Is0bels line:
Holy shit , it worked.

HK was the only very good one and even then it was far too fucking short, they're all far too short

I liked pretty much all of those games for one reason or another (Except for returns. I had to force myself to finish this one). But I wouldn't really call them short. It took me 26 hours for a single play through for all those games and I still missed some stuff.

I'm actually kinda hyped for their Battletech. Should be out this year, right?

Same. I trust Harebrained to at least handle the lore well and that's always been a big part of the tabletop for me.

And yeah, if everything goes right, this year

>"dude I am an angry punk rocker fuck racist!"

Have we played the same game? He was super chill 90% of the time. He outright laughs at his past as angry punk rock dude.

>"Boss, I was a frontman in a punk rock band. Fuck no, I can't sing"

Racter is better and fantastic all around, but Dietrich was super fun

i am VERY VERY upset that that shadowrun game takes place in the shadowrun setting

>tfw you like some aspects of punk but cannot appreciate an artist that does not maintain at least some level of quality with their voice
Precisely why Racter is better.

I tried to get the bad ending in Dragonfall and I can't do it because Eiger blows my fucking head off immediately in that free combat turn they get every time.

1 Don't ever have two characters in grenade range of each other and prioritize killing enemy grenadiers

or

2. Get the magnet arm (Duncan can get if for free) and pack everyone together and deliberately bait grenades so that you just toss them all back at the fags who threw them at you

Pacing was leagues worse in Hong Kong, even if the characters were better on average.