It costs more to buy a PC that runs games at 1080p than a PS4 Pro or Xbox One X and play at 4k...

It costs more to buy a PC that runs games at 1080p than a PS4 Pro or Xbox One X and play at 4k, yet people still defend PC Gaming

Other urls found in this thread:

oled-info.com/oled-monitor
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

Lets be honest

>pc gaming
>spend a extra $150 when you replace your pc

>console gaming
>spend $200 on the console
>spend $300 on online over its lifespan
>spend $300 on sinlge player games you can't pirate over its lifespan
>spend an additional $100 on multiplayer games being more expensive
>to top it off the computer you use for normal use will be a piece of shit

Just because you're poor doesn't mean we all are. You get what you pay for.

There's literally no games on consoles that run at both 1080p and 60fps, and that's the standard even on console priced PCs

I see you've finally stopped saying native 4k now.

60+ fps
thousands more(free) games
actual 4k with no limitations 99% of the time

Depending on where you live, it may be cheaper to go for a 4k-capable rig rather than a 1080p/1440p one these days. Though I'm talking about native 4k, not that checkboard upscale bullshit.

Emulation user

this piece of shit fleamarket find can still 1080p most games, with better performance and graphics than the consoles.

>>spend $300 on sinlge player games you can't pirate over its lifespan
generously low. that's like 5 games

It costs less to buy a pc that runs games at 1080p at 60fps than a console that does the same. As no such console exists.

4k is a meme for brainless idiots. If you buy a 400dolarydoo console to play 4k - youre a moron.

If you buy a pc for 400 to play 4k youre a bigger moron.

Real 4k is only affordable for richfags, otherwise its just a marketing ploy to lure in buzzword seeking idiots.

PC gets 1080p and 60 fps. Consoles can give 12k graphics and it wouldn't mean shit if it can't even get a stable 30.

Is there a difference between 1080p and 1080p upscaled to 4k?

Cuz latest gen consoles are a scam and do nothing to outperform PC in any way

No. It's the same as playing some PS2 era 480p games on a 1080p screen; the image just gets stretched to fill the entire screen, meaning hugeass pixels and aliasing, everywhere.

It would be blury as hell i imagine.

I couldn't give any less of a fuck, I just want a switch and play with my endowed waifus.

>pay $300+ to play online across it's lifespan
>rebuy all your games next gen because they aren't backwards compatible
>cheaper than PC gaming

That may as well be false advertising.

4k is exactly 4 times the resolution of 1080p (2x2)
4k is exactly 9 times the resolution of 720p (3x3)

So both 720p and 1080p content looks just about the same on a 4k TV as it would on a TV with native res to either of those. It just uses 4 pixels per pixel for the 1080p stuff, or 9 pixels per pixel for the 720p stuff.

The aliasing is larger compared to native resolution displays.

>otherwise its just a marketing ploy to lure in buzzword seeking idiots.
OP being a prime example, falling for Sony/Microsoft's PR bullshit so easily

in being honest you forgot the initial cost of a pc that’ll run modern games on high is around $800-$1,000+
Let’s stop the meme that pc gaming is cheap,it isn’t, but it’s the most fun platform to play on. Mods,multitasking, and games that look better, not to mention games from 20 years ago that you can still play, emulation, the list just goes on

when PC gaming is cheaper than console gaming
>Stop wasting your money user, save them for retirement
when PC gaming is more expensive than console gaming
>What are you, a poorfag? Stop wasting my tax money for your poverty aide

It's cheap in the grand scheme because with that PC you can pirate and play almost every console game on top of PC games.

yet it's not. Not understanding the basic terminology isn't the advertisers' fault exactly.

It gets even more ridiculous when console peasants start to argue what a "real 4K" means, as majority of currently existing AND upcoming "4K games" on XboneX and PS4Pro are not real 2160p games.
Instead, they are either upscaled from 1080p / 1200p, run in interlaced mode(= only half of the screen is rendered at once, every other horizontal line per frame), or its modern counterpart, Checkerboard Rendering (every other pixel, in a fence-like pattern, is not updated each frame, but instead take data from previous frame, and use it to "fill in" the gaps), which can be kinda seen in YT videos of RE7's VR mode, near the screen's edges.

Sometimes they also couple these cheats with the now typical Dynamic Resolution, which may literally drop the 3D rendering resolution to some 1985 levels if things get too hectic and the game tries to maintain reasonable framerates.

>when PC gaming is more expensive than console gaming
...literally never?
I don't remember the last time I'd bought a 60$ game, even day 1. Plus I don't need to shell 60 bucks a year to be ALLOWED to play online.

Dumb Akkoposter

It is not cheap in the grand scheme of things. It is a huge investment. It is CHEAPER in the LONG RUN because you spend less money, but people that buy consoles spend less money at a time. They can fund an entire console generation's worth of games and online with the money it would take to build an equivalent PC, not counting any upgrades THAT would need over the years.

>It is CHEAPER in the LONG RUN
yes that's what I said but it's not a huge investment at all.

Right now GPU prices have shot up due to cryptocurrencies
RAM prices are way up due to price fixing
HDD prices have flatlined for years now
Just this past holiday you could get a PS4 for $200 and with a $50 giftcard to gamestop. That's way, way cheaper than you could build an equivalent PC for.

most new console games cost a tenth of the cost of the console itself.

You'll never understand luxury.

$1000 all at once is a huge investment compared to $1000 over a five year period

And even then, the idea that a console is cheaper than a PC with equivalent specs is just plain wrong. If that were the case, console manufacturers wouldn't make any profit.

>It is not cheap in the grand scheme of things. It is a huge investment.
Depends on your build. A modern console-priced PC totally BTFO the current consoles, offering you the access to all the great benefits of PC ownership. And gaming.

>but people that buy consoles spend less money at a time.
Except when they don't.
ie, when they pay 599$ for the console with no game, up to 80$ per game + DLC tips, up to 70 bucks for peripherals, and the forced 60$ / year online fee. And boy will you have golly good time if you're one of those "HC console gaymers" who also "upgrade" their console to the newest version when one comes out.

>not counting any upgrades THAT would need over the years.
This argument could have been valid over a decade ago. Now we are living times when a literal 10 year old components can still serve a bit too well even. I myself built my current PC back in early 2011, for almost precisely 1000$ (110 bucks was for W7 Ultimate's DVDs), and I did not upgrade it at all before mere 2 months ago, when I simply slapped in a 200$ GTX 1060 6GB in it to replace the old but great 560ti.

Not when you're getting over 9000 free games.

And PS4 pro can barely even run Dark Souls III at 45-50 fps, and is locked to 30FPS on The Witcher 3.

I built my PC for ~$1k dollars 4 years ago and it still plays most new releases without a hitch.
All i do is dust it every now and then and I haven't touched any of the hardware since.
Building a really good PC is an investment for yourself if you plan on using it a lot. Not to mention all the videos I make with it and that I use it everyday for work. It's quite possibly the best $1k dollars I've ever spent.

Though if you use a console for gaming, netflix, etc. and you use it to satisfy what you're looking for, then more power to you. I don't see what the big issue is.

You are aware that some consoles have been sold at a loss, right?

>$1000 all at once is a huge investment
Depends who you ask, knowing that people buy fucking celphones that cost almost as much nowadays.

That being said, if 1000$ is too much, why not build a 500$ PC instead? Maybe even 400$? Hell, some used i5 + 1050ti + 1TB + W8.1 systems can be found for as low as 350 dollaroos nowadays on online auction sites and the GL, and those specs would be enough to 1080p / 60fps some 99% of all games ever created.

>It's not a huge investment if you just steal everything
Wow, I never thought of it that way

If you included pirated games that number would be even higher.

>free and legal games literally cannot exist!!!
typical corporate slave logic.

Even without taking into account that consoles are overpriced for their specs, most of the time a consoles OS and interface are also hot garbage. All the people who say they like consoles because they're "easier to use" must have never touched a PC in their lives.

You know as well as I do when he said "free games" he meant pirating. Most free to play games are garbage, and there are certainly not over 9000 good ones worth building a $1000 PC over.

>ignoring Steam's and GOG's free games lists
>ignoring Humble Bundles' annual free giveaway campaigns
>ignoring all the extra copies most Steam users tend to have
>ignoring all the Abandonware titles you can DL without any consequences
>ignoring the fact that you can emulate technically all console games, and it's perfectly OK especially if you already own the games
And that's not even touching the matter of all those hundreds of games I've gotten for "half free", like literal cents or a mere dollar or two. And no, I don't mean some indie shit, but some legit AAA - AA titles.

>You know as well as I do when he said "free games" he meant pirating.
No, that's just your own, biased prejudices, caused by your corporate idols' brainwashing.

>and there are certainly not over 9000 good ones worth building a $1000 PC over.
There's not even 9 good games PER SE on consoles that would justify wasting your money on one.

>Warframe
>Planetside
>PoE
>ESO
>TF2
>Brawlhalla
>[Insert card game here]
>All the popular MOBAs (even though I hate them with a burning passion)

>Most free to play games are garbage
LOL no. And I didn't mean piracy at all, but sure you can pirate too.

It's still not a big investment, and

Hey now let's be realistic. PoE costs $20

don't forget:

>mod games, AKA "Total Conversions"
stuff like Afraid Of Monsters, Cry Of Fear and Underhell are great experiences, that you will probably never have on consoles.

>$1000 all at once is a huge investment compared to $1000 over a five year period
nigga, especially if you buy your consoles and its games during launch, the console gaming will surpass that 1000$ mark within ONE year, assuming you play more than one game during that time period. After that, the 1000$ PC will start paying itself back on almost daily basis, and outlast the console by a practical ½ a decade, minimum. Not to mention nobody's forcing you to put a thousand on your first PC; 500-700 is a sweet middleground that would get you already a great desktop nowadays.

And lets be honest, with Humble Bundle you're basically getting free shit on a regular basis

>pirate game
>or pay $60 for console copy

>buy key for $10 on reseller site
>or pay $60 for console copy

>"b…but muh initial investment"

...

True. Even some good shit.
Just got Killer Is Dead from them few weeks ago.
EA and Ubishit have also started doing flash giveaways of some of their more higher profile titles in recent years.

dumb narrow minded console peasant

Sales also come more often, and with far more and far better deals, over a wider variety of games. And you don't have to deal with intrusive "sponsored" shit as often.

>tfw I wanked it 3 times to this image yesterday

what is wrong with me
I'm not even into scat

>tfw my PC is turning 8yo in a few months
>still can play way more games, at higher res and fps, than modern consoles
Feels fucking amazing, man!
Never in the history of PC gaming has old hardware remained serviceable this long. 8 year old PCs back in 2010 would not have been able to run anything new anymore, for quite some time at that. And going back another eight years from that, to the mid 90s... fucking mindblowing.

Hate to break it to you, but you might be into scat

I guess so user, i was mainly talking initially the cost difference is huge, but all the stuff I listed and more make up for it.

And then they snatch your money it back with online fee and more expensive games in order to make the profit. You end paying the same money as you would pay on a PC.

Lay off the porn, faggot, it's breaking your mind.

>initially the cost difference is huge
Even with the crazy assumption that everyone would NEED to build a 1000$ PC "just to get started", it's not really the case. Assuming you buy at least 3-4 games a year, maybe a new gamepad, those official headsets + obligatory PS+ / Gold account for online, the initial console cost will skyrocket to near 1000 bucks in no time.

Wanking to wierd shit wires you to develop a fetish for it user.

>There's literally no games on consoles that run at both 1080p and 60fps

>literal VITA / 3DS ports
You know that's like a literal "lol it only took 100 of you to kill me! :^)" of video games?

Practically the same as re-releasing some 10yo prev-gen title again in HD.

What are you talking about? MGSV is 60fps 1080p. Yakuza 0 is 1080p 60fps. Resident Evil VII is 1080p 60fps, Tekken 7 is 1080p 60fps, Street Fighter V is 1080p 60fps

>buy key for $10 on reseller site
>or pay $60 for console copy

No of course, second hand console games do not exist after all...

1080p 60fps user. On a console.

neither one of those are exactly "new" things to consoles by themselves. Super Mario Bros 1 (and all its first sequels) ran at 60fps back in 1980s.
PS2 could output 1080i, even if it was just one game. PS3 had 1080p / 60fps and AA'd 720p / 60fps games and HD ports.
nuDOOM, no matter how simple and shitty it is in reality, was 1080p / 60fps on PS4.

"Look, I can run this N64 game at 60fps 1080p on my Wii U, clearly its the most powerful console on the market"

PC gaming isn't worth it right now due to the pseudo currency mining bullshit.

I was going to upgrade my system this time around but I think I will wait until the price of pc parts crash.

I too hear cpu and ram prices have been spiking lately. I haven't been paying attention to the prices but, how bad are we talking?

yeah, but if you want to play modern games on high/ultra from the get go your gonna need to spend some $$. around 800 is what I spent for my build and it’s pretty decent for the games I want and what I need it to do. PCs are very dynamic in the sense you can customize it to whatever you need it for, where as consoles like the ps4 are just basic and made to play games

Fag

>if you want to play modern games on high/ultra from the get go your gonna need to spend some $$
Seriously depends on the game, your screen res and max / preferred fps. There's a world of difference between being able to max out, say, MGS5:TPP or PUBG.

The 1050ti 4GB can be acquired for 100 bucks, sharp, and it can 1080p/60fps a grand majority of all modern games even on High settings. Even more so if you know what to tweak and use mixture of ~Medium and High settings (ie disable Nvidia effects or supersampling). Most games luckily are still more GPU relying than CPU dependent, so even something as meh as G4560 or i3 (any model really) still can get the job done.

The PC I built for 1000$ back in 2011 was already BTFO by a 550$ PC late 2012, and nowadays you could get even better rig for sub-400 bucks even. All capable of 1080p/60fps, with reasonable settings.

The return you get for spending $1300 just to play games is a complete joke. Not to mention you're limited to LED and LCD monitors.
oled-info.com/oled-monitor

MGSV was 1080p 60fps, Tekken 7 was 1080p 60fps, Street fighter V was 1080p 60fps, REVII was 1080p 60fps

>The 1050ti 4GB can be acquired for 100 bucks
Where?

Let's be honest, there aren't even any games that make PC gaming worth it anyways.
All the best games come out on consoles.
PC gets those games like 10 years later and has to mod them to death to squeeze as much enjoyment out of them as possible.

4k console lamo delusional

>1080p 60fps

That's some pleb shit, i play at 2560x1080 at 144hz

but no good games. you can't even run your pic related without dicking around to get an emulator working.

I wish I could afford a gaming PC but I'm unemployed and $4500 in debt.

Online, everywhere.
People upgrade their rigs, and sell their old stuff away. I myself got a 6GB 1060 just before Christmas for 200 bucks.

>look up some early 2010s office desktop
>slap in a low-power variant of GTX 750/ti or better
bam, enjoy your gaming PC!

playing at 4k? like pubg on xbox one senpai?

It's crazy that a console can do 4K/HDR and do it well and it doesn't cost you $1500. Forza Horizon 3 should look pretty amazing.

Not really you fags never add on the 700 800 for a 4k tv

Yeah but I spent 250 on a gpu and with my setup I can actually play games at 60 fps something consoles can't it's pathetic really

>It's crazy that a console can do 4K/HDR and do it well
>and do it well
it's also cute that people now use the "HDR" as the new "blast processing", not even realizing wtf it really means.

I refuse to believe that people can be this retarded