Why did graphics stop progressing?

why did graphics stop progressing?

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because you touch yourself to loli pictures and god damned this world

Because theres a difference between prerendered footage and games renderijg on the fly.

Because you still give money to the developers

>pic says right has better shading
>when left has better diffuse and subsurface lighting and smoother normals

Consoles

Because one took 6 months of rendering on a render farm, the other needs to render instantly.

because most people are too dumb to notice the difference of OP's pic, therefore no reason to make games look as good as toy story.
also consoles

>According to Susman, the Pixar team initially thought they could render the film over 20 months using 53 processors. Each of the machines in the render farm was named after an animal, and when it completed a frame it would play the corresponding animal’s sound. The number of machines eventually grew to 300, but even that pales in comparison to the computing power Pixar wields today. Susman said that the company now has 23,000 processors at its disposal — enough to render the original Toy Story in real time.

Straight up, there aren't really that many talented people in the medium anymore. Not saying there aren't a few. But a good chunk of these AAA/AA/Indie guys are just spitting swill. Also, all the old cool people are retiring so that means we have to deal with even more amateur hour bullshit. We'll never have this quality user because late generation X, Y and Z are inherently more lazy then those that came before them.

diminishing returns and increasing costs

are you retarded?

wrong

Simple geometry

>consoles
>Not phones
Lel

Why don't you compare it to 95 game graphics instead?

You'd have to render the whole scene twice to have floor reflections.
PS4 can't handle that.

Yeah, while the PS4 is several times more powerful than the render farm used for the original Toy Story it has to render a frame in 16-33ms, as opposed to the ~5 minutes/frame the Toy Story render farm averaged.

Textures do look better on the PS4 due to higher RAM among other things, though- Rex's skin looks slightly better while textures on things they figured you'd pay less attention to (like the ground texture in Sid's backyard) look like ass by seventh-gen standards.

>Sup Forums wants games to look like Toy Story
>Game dev gets close
>Sup Forums shits all over their efforts
Never change Sup Forums

/thread

How wrong? Explain

Aw man, I wish video games could be there yet.

KH is probably the only series that actually upgrades during promotional material, make this comparison again when the game is released.

Raytracing is slow
Number of triangles is not important in raytracing, affects speed only with O(log n)
Raytracing can also depict perfect curves (NURBS)

Maybe try harder then, when you obviously haven't put your best foot forward (meaning some random fuck could make a texture of equal quality or better for free) I'm going to call your game shit, doesn't matter if the entire presentation is cohesive. That's what really gets to me. I hate seeing people who don't even have a salary do better work.

Nintendo proved to everybody with the Wii that sales don't equal quality control or standards
Just look at pre wii PC games
>Fear, Escape from butcher bay, Crysis
>12 years later and these games still look better than your average multiplat

it now looks like a stock/gerneic cry-engine map

virgin 2017 videogame vs chad 1995 pixar movie

Did you say "nerds"?

>comparing game engine graphics that run real time with single frame rendering that takes a gorillion hours rendered by an entire building of hardware

You do realize it has to be rendered in real time, yes? To make it look that good, the game is more than likely pushing the hardware to its limits.

This is almost entirely the shader they chose for the Toy Story assets. The Shader's look like they were trying to mimic the TS3 woody rather then the hard shadows of the TS1 woody.

Things like the lack of pre-baked shadows can be explained because KH1 has to run in real time, and has many moving creatures with complex particle effects bouncing around at very high speeds.

Gameplay > Story > Graphics

Oh yes, I fully realize that user. Maybe use or create a better engine then. Simple solution that requires a lot of work. But as I pointed out previously
>Lazy generation

because like the example you posted, movies will always have more money and quality than videogames.

>movies are rendered in real time
the state of brainlets

You're genuinely retarded, aren't you?

this pic is exactly what's gonna happen to dark souls,isn't it?

Problems in the continuation of moores law; including but not limited to die yield and quantum tunneling.

This, combined with monopolistic practices employed by the major manufacturers and the difficulty and expense that comes with fabrication at such a small scale means that prices remain high and without a free market driving innovation, performance has stagnated.

Combine all this with widespread adoption of console gaming, which has caused the mid-range components normally found in consoles to become the primary limiting factor holding back vidya graphics, as developers will want to maximize their potential playerbase and their returns as a result.

Damn, OP completely and utterly blown the fuck out of the water.

>Rendered in 1 frame per god knows how long in render farms that probably fill the space of multiple rooms
>versus being rendered in 25-30 frames per second in a 400 dollar device, give or take,

i read toy story as soy story

i think i need to take a break

Kingdom Hearts 3 has been heavily downgraded anyway, it doesn't look like the left pics anymore

The leaks literally showed the latest build & it looks no where near that good

> less than 20 milliseconds to process one frame

Vs

>24 hours to process one frame

Modern technology is a miracle to those who have witnessed it's rise

Who actually believes this meme?

if your house has a wooden floor, does it look more like the left picture, or the right one?

>It took 312 years to render toy story
whoa

When talent did

>latest build
the leaks clearly show that they are from 2015
all we have seen in each trailer are straight-up upgrades

>his bait thread again

Not really, the old one looks fucking ugly and the new one basicly looks like Destiny Island in the opening CG

Nah, the Batman remasters were done by some nameless Chinese studio while Dark Souls is being done by From themselves

What do you people gain from just making up lies

The gameplay in the remaster actually looked better, but the cutscenes looked worse because they were prerendered in the original

>phones
Nigga what. Phones have been jumping on graphic upgrades even faster than phones. There are many games out there that could easily pass as a PS3 game

>What are render times

Please be bait

>Phones have been jumping on graphic upgrades even faster than CONSOLES
Fucking fixed. Goddamn it, my brain slipped for a while

Imagine if you had multiple computers instead of just one!

Bit of a random question, how different are the processes of making a CGI movie and a videogame and are there any similarities between them?

>pixar has one computer

Jesus...

Movies are pre-rendered, games are typically rendered in real time.

>soy story

Well, a movie is usually rendered on a few hundred or something few thousands PCs/renderstations at the same time, because even now it would take a few minutes to render each frame in Toy Story one and for new movie it takes a few hours per frame and they're of course pre set animations and scenes.
While in videogames shit has the be rendered with one frame every 16ms or 33ms depending on the framerate and it still has to take in account that you actually control what happens next.
We'll never really reach the polycount since movies handle that differently, but considering it's runnig on a 300 dollar shit box it's still quiet impressive

Somebody poast the other image

Am I the only one to think that the graphics were good enough in the GCN/Xbob/PS2 generation?

I like the new look better, looks closer to CG which they wanted. The old trailer had horrible lighting or rather was missing a lot of it and only Sora's model looked good

Stop posting this shitty picture

Depends on the game imo. Games with cell shading artstyle or something like KH can still improve and still do, but something like car games already looked amazing years ago

too bad the entire phone gaming has become a cesspool flooded with garbage even worse than what Steam, even though steam is doing it's best to catch up

completely different, games use lowpoly models, even 8k is low poly, while movies use high poly models, with vast number of detail.
Also movies process frames at much, much slower rate, if game is given 1/30 of a second for 30FPS game, movies are given up to an hour for one frame.

I'd wager not
I've yet to play a game that puts me off just because of graphics

Don't know about the iOS store but the Android one is doing a decent work at highlighting only the decent games, and letting those "made in 5 minutes with Unity" games get buried unless you deliberately go finding them

>People still posting that meme image

Kingdom hearts 3's Story story world looks better then the original toy story, that image is either intentionally wrong and is bait or is made by somebody know doesn't know what they are talking about. Even the fucking digital foundry video the images are from says that the KH3 version looks better: youtube.com/watch?v=tkDadVrBr1Y

The person who made the image has no fucking clue what they are talking about, the biggest example is when it says "the floor has no reflection" on the KH3 side when it does have a reflection, it just actually has the right amount of diffuse reflectivity that a wood floor would have, vs in toy story one they just cranked the specurity up to max which is completely unrealistic and looks like shit. Besides that plenty of surfaces don't even have lighting or shadows on them in the original toy story screenshot, such as the headboard of his bed, wheras in KH3 everything has good lighting and shaders.

As far as woody's model, KH3 does have lower poly ears, but in every other way the KH3 image is superior: There's visibly lower (or at least with worth topology) polycounts with fucked up normals all over the original toy story 3 model around the back of the neck, jaw, chin, nose, edges of the mouth and eye sockets, as well as noisy raytracing artifacts along his forehead and in the background of the image. Also, once again, they just crapped up the specular shading to 11, it doesn't look "realistic or natural at all".

Stop responding to the image talking about realtime vs pre-rendered trying to act smart. TS1 just looks fucking worse. Also, Toy story looked like absolute trash, even worse, for most scenes. see even a typical AAA game from early 7th gen looks better.

t. somebody who actually works with 3d software

This user gets it

>implying Sup Forums actually cares or reads and doesn't just shitpost after looking at the thumbnail

SEETHING

Can somebody explain why even shitty looking old prerendered movies have perfectly round objects while games have been struggling with this for ages?

>implying
Phones have catch up to consoles since quite a while. Consoles keep being the machines holding back graphics

Realy makes you think.

Because that shit happens during the rendering stage. Before that they're shitty looking models

Game has to render an image 30-60 times a second. That's on top of all the under-the-hood processing, hit detection, etc.
Movie can take hours to render a single frame. Not second, just frame.

General gist.

Lighting, materials, and post processing effects look better on left. Now kill yourself.

Toy Story 1 looks like shit nowadays, it really didn't age well except for good looking 3-4 toys

>some e-celeb soy boy said it
>it must be right

Because even today rendering TS would take 1-5 minutes per frame and they need thousands of PCs to render a movie, meanwhile a game has to run on shitty console ahrdware in realtime while you're actually contorlling it

>some random anonymous shitposter says otherwise
>it must be right

Will videogames ever look as good as this?

>implying they're wrong

The problem with the post is not the opinion, it's that they think the opinion reinforces a sound value judgement about the subject.

The whole point of weebshit is formulaic pandering, this shouldn't be a controversial statement.

We aren't allowed to make horror games this spooky

modern games can come blose, but that hair shader is far too intensive for current hardware

What about shit like TressFX and Hairworks?

>The whole point of weebshit is formulaic pandering
Only if you're an entry level faggot.

>nuff said
>Continues writing

All weebshit is entry level.

Except it isn't even entry level, because weebs don't progress past weebshit.

thats just physics, not actual shaders

Man I wished I could read that much into things.

What about pre-rendered cutscenes?

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Same for the most part. A lot of companies have small render farms or Square Enix has visual works with is basicly their own group that just does pre rendered scenes for almost every game they usually also don't push weird new tech as hard as Pixar movies
Pixar/Disney developed their own water simulation and snow simulation for Frozen and Moana

They can afford to use higher-intensity models since nothing is actually rendered on the system itself.
For example, the pre-rendered cutscenes from Last of Us (on PS3) used better models than in gameplay. In the remastered version (on PS4), they are able to use the better models in gameplay and have the previously pre-rendered cutscenes done in real time.

Why do graphics NEED to progress further? As if we need more excuses for devs not to focus on gameplay.