You have ten (10) seconds to defend and justify turn-based combat

You have ten (10) seconds to defend and justify turn-based combat.

Please refrain from using buzzwords such as tactical, soy, fun, strategic, anime, brainlet, etc.

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Chess is for stupid people, I know that much.

It's good tactical and strategic fun. Nothing an anime watching soy-brainlet like you would understand.
etc.

you're telling me you don't enjoy xcom?

Because people enjoy different things and have different tastes.

It allows you to control multiple people without having to rely on AI.

Gives gamers with slow reaction times something to enjoy that also can require a great deal of skill.

>that also can require a great deal of skill.

Please qualify this. Which turn based games are skillful, because the vast majority are not.

>barrier

Your turn

because people have different tastes and turn based combat sells. That is enough justification for game publishers.

Paper Mario: TTYD does this pretty well. It allows you to play with badges that can increase or decrease how much skill you need, while also having mechanics like superguarding which is harder to perform than a regular guard, but allows for Mario to avoid damage completely instead of reducing it. The trade-off is that if you miss the input window that would have been easier regular guarding, you take full damage.

Just play Jagged alliance 2 or X-com and you will understand

Which games in general are skillful? Most are just muscle memory and twitch

It is a nice break from games that require all your attention.
You don't always just play stressful games do you user?

maybe strategic rather than skillful. there can definitely be a lot of strategy involved, even if theres no skill in the actual act of moving units

Jagged Alliance 2.

Maybe if you weren't such a strategic anime brainlet you would appreciate tactical soy fun etc.

Any moderately difficult SRPG
Any good dungeon crawler

Strategizing is a skill.

>paper mario
>does it well
choose one

Lightbulbs in Romancing SaGa 2 feel good

Tactical, soy, fun, strategic, anime, brainlet, etc.

Different gameplay

autism

There's good and bad turn-based games but for some reason a minority of retards on Sup Forums hate all turn based games so much they can't imagine someone liking something they don't like.

I think God of War combat is shit but I don't go around thinking all action games are bad.

Worms is a fun series.

>strategic
When was the last time you had a turn-based game about the Battle of France, as opposed to just a couple alleys or so?
tactics =/= strategy

It's all about scale.

I just like queuing up attacks and watching the neat animations play out leave me alone ok

justify deez nutz nigga

i guess man, i dont really care about semantics or very specific word definitions. you know what i meant.

You could argue that the Hearts of Iron series and Darkest Hour are turn based

Consider DSP playing a game like Jagged Alliance 2 instead of someone who isn't retarded and it becomes obvious how player skill gets involved.

Heroes of Might and Magic
XCOM
Total War (Except during battles)
Darkest Dungeon

See, it's not all JRPGs.

>that satisfying feeling when you think your way out of certain doom
>that great feeling when you make a low percent roll and succeed
>that amazing feeling when everything goes according to kikaku
If you can't understand this or pull joy from the little things in the genre, it's not for you.

HoI isn't turn based at all you tard. Pause =/= turn-based. Otherwise any action game that pauses when the inventory is brought up is turn based.

>Plays turn-based games
>Not simultaneous turn games.
Enjoy your first-move advantage, fags.

Justify why action games exist.

Why are we defending a style of game? there is nothing wrong with it? whats wrong with taking turns to move units or take shots? Games started as turn based, card games, board games everything, and that style has been enjoyed for longer then your entire lifetime faggot op. How about you tell us why turn based is so trash that you needed to make this shitty thread?

why are you trying to convince me? im pretty sure we're on the same side

I like it.

I like it because it is tactical.

grid turn based combat is where its at

>buzzwords such as fun
Just another bait thread lads, move along.

It gets rid of the speed and reflexes to focus completely on tactical skill and knowledge.
Imagine the insane stuff that would happen if starcraft was turn based, I'm not saying real time is bad but just think about how much more possibilities that opens up.

Unless you're thinking about turn based JRPG, in that case it's just for anime brainlets.

Isn't that still turn based

I can get up, take a 15 minute shit and come back to all my characters standing there waiting. If I tried to do that in action trash I'd die every single time.

it exists because you are a faggot and a nigger

No, I'm pretty sure I have as much time as I want.

>sports are just muscles

>tactical, strategic
>'buzzwords'
You're basically just saying "YOU CAN DEFEND IT BUT WITHOUT USING THESE WORDS THAT PERFECTLY DESCRIBE IT!"
You're just adding an unnecessary hurdle to the whole thing.
I say fuck you, I think turn-based combat is justified because it implements strategic thinking and tactical combination of offence and defence, what do you think of that you gargantuan faggot?

DO IT FAGGOT!

Watch a first time newbie play through XCOM 2 on Commander Ironman mode and then watch me do it and you'll see that turn-based games can have a skill factor.
I'm not skilled enough to do it on Legendary yet

I personally feel as though turn based combat is more enjoyable in regards to not being so fucking stressful.

Except tactics games. They're all irredeemably garbage.

I enjoy them because sometimes I like to challenge my mind rather than my motor skills in a videogame, and you can play them at your own pace. Oh and because they're fun

chess
>l2p faggot

Yes, because you can't stop and give commands in HoI

Justify non-turn-based combat.

XCOM 2 is one of the best games ever made, please suck my dick

mambo

>2
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>pause and give commands
>pause and drink potion
>durr it's turn based!
just stop.

all XCOM games are straight up trash. x-com ones are okay though. Still garbage, but not trash.

Japan worked out how to do turn based combat right fucking decades ago with Super Mario RPG

the western 'hope you have at least 7 points in Agility and at least 60 points in whatever weapon you're using or you will never hit anything ever' turn based combat has always been dog shit.

j"rpg" turn based is objectively trash. yes

HOMM 3 is the only good turn-based game in existence. Prove me wrong.

>He couldn't handle the timers

No YOU'RE favourite game is trash!

>thinly veiled strategy game thread
Check out Hard West

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western same-turn combat is great though, it's turn-taking that's garbage.
easy, it uses hexes, making it utter shit.

I've always enjoyed KOTOR's combat.

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You must not know very much then

What about Arcanum?

Nozdormu

Arcanum's gameplay is garbage.

XCOM: UFO Defense is turn-based and is also the greatest video game ever made. Ergo, turn-based combat is not a flawed system.

Can you please explain your viewpoint with other words than "garbage" or "shit"?

Nah

>What's 4+4
>And don't give 8, give me a proper answer!

>What's 4+4
A clever way of dividing your Sharpshooter stacks

It's worse, less balanced, and less interesting Fallout combat with as little thought put into the encounter design as possible. It sucks.

>still garbage but not trash
????