Lets make the two starting party members unrelatable insufferable cunts

>Lets make the two starting party members unrelatable insufferable cunts.
>Yeah one can be a bland looking jealous bitch who mood swings faster than a kid with ADD on the playground who shows undue hatred to multiple individuals that she doesn't understand, nor makes any fucking effort to.
>Cool, and the other one can be a braggadocious blowhard who thinks he is a great at fighting but actually sucks at it as he literally gets knocked down by a stiff breeze or whenever he misses an attack, which will be fucking frequently. He will also always...ALWAYS be the first one to bitch about being tired in the Tower of Grinding. We can have him be an asshole to the protagonist for no reason other than jealously and have him put the party at risk multiple times because he fears his dick isn't big enough.
>Perfect. This game will start a dynasty.

How the fuck was it Persona 3 that made the series big again? It is a wonder anyone gets past August with these two asshats in the party from the getgo.

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That's the best part. They're unlikable dipshits at the start but you're stuck with them. They have character development, unlike anyone in P5, and more than anyone in P4

>He will also always...ALWAYS be the first one to bitch about being tired
Funny, it's Yukari for me.

Junpei's the only great character in the game though. Everyone else varies from forgettable to just okay.

>Junpei has character development
ftfy

They're all great characters at the start and only get better from there.

There's a reason neither of them had friends until you start at the school.
And even then Junpei latches on to the next new kid afterwards.

Isn't Yukari friends with other archery club members?

I actually hate Yukari more. She's just so damned spiteful. Junpei's just a goofball to me.

Mitsuru is bae tho.

None can compare to Fuuka.

>PSP version

>get senpaitachi and Aegis
>bench everyone else
Problem solved. If only edgeman stayed for the whole game.

user, it's a fucking JRPG. Annoying character archetypes are part of the experience.

Believe it or not op, not everyone's a fan of games where the cast of characters constantly suck your dick and praise your name as if u were some kind of god

Enjoy your party member AI.

This. I can't stand in 4 how everyone immediately loves you

Couldn't get into P4. I fucking hated the atmosphere and art style. Those retro glasses just make everyone look like shit.
P3 is the only game that I really like from the series. The atmosphere is set up perfectly with the Dark Hour. It's creepy and unique.

Junpei's the only one with good character development. He also has better character development than anyone in P5, but plenty of characters in P5 have character development on par or better than the cast of P3, but again, that's not that great a feat because the P3 cast barely has good development. There's even a case to be made for the P4 cast having development on par with most of the P3 cast.

In 4, you are a hot city guy who just arrived into a small boring town. Why wouldn't everyone be all over your dick?

>Enjoy your Challenge
FTFY

>Challenge
Open up Tactics menu and the game becomes a breeze.
The only one who couldn't get this concept was DSP

I swear to god, all those people bitching about Mitsuru didn't even realize Tactics menu is there or something.

>ACK ACK ACK

Because they're not gay.

>tfw too dumb to use tactics
ftfy

>act freely

>hating on da man

>disliking Junpei
Seriously consider suicide. Literally the best bro you could ever ask for. Just because he doesn't start off sucking your dick like the party in P4 doesn't make him a bad character.
>p3
>challenge
I'm a fucking p3 waifufag and I came here to tell you you're a fucking mong if you consider p3 a "challenge".
It's probably one of the most casualized persona games next to 5 and the series was ALREADY casualized. There's nothing wrong with the AI, though. After playing through Vanilla, FES And p3p I never had an issue with how it behaved; I'll never understand how that became such a meme.

Dropping a game to bitch about characters as soon as you meet them only makes you look like a retard, OP.

It's just like Navi.

>P3
>Challenging in any sort
Ok Phil.

Persona 3 is the second-most challenging Persona game ever.

:)

>How the fuck was it Persona 3 that made the series big again?

It didn't, that award goes to Persona 4/Golden.

>These characters have flaws, and carry at least the slight resemblance of a real human being.
>I didn't sign up for this shit, why isn't everyone a shallow generic anime character like in P4 and P5?

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Sure as hell more challenging than party control.

>muh character development
You know that a person's personality tends to be very stable over the course of their life, right? Expecting characters to undergo major changes over the course of a story is actually quite unrealistic.

i typed out a reply but i'm just gonna tell you to go fuck yourself

i agree with the yukari shit but you are cringeworthy as fuck and remind me of my old anime obsessed friends. stop trying so hard.

I want to take Mitsuru's boots off and then give her a sensual foot massage.

Can we all agree this guy's retarded and the REAL problem with the game is the godawful battle theme?

>Golden
nobody owns a Vita, user

Just like in real life.

People don't inmediatly love you.
On highschool people are like that

BABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABY

Junpei had an interesting character arc. Yosuke was boring but at least he was good in fights literally all game long.

My problem with P5 is how everyone in your party is awesome and special, except Ryuji, seriously everyone shits on him all the time. And he's the most *normal* teenager in the group (maybe he could shut it with the pervertness for a second, but yeah).

>hating on Mass Destruction
plebian taste

P4's theme is the one that makes me pull my hair out.

how can you not love junpei and at least like yukari
the blandest characters in this game are more interesting than most characters in other (non persona) games

At least Junpei got himself a waifu, what did the other bro characters get? A shit ton of nothing.

Junpei's the only "idiot" character who makes an effort to improve his situation. I liked how every time you saw his test scores, they improved little by little. Sometimes, when you check his room, you can hear him studying by himself, loudly complaining about how they didn't teach something in class (they probably did). He's still a bit of a slacker, but far, far less so than he was at the start.

Meanwhile, Yosuke and Ryuji have bad grades and just assume they'll always get bad grades and never make an effort to actually improve. Ryuji does cram the night before exams, but that never works.

>everyone complains about Reach Out to the Truth
>those same people usually like Time to Make History, which is the worst fucking battle theme in the series
Explain this.

>Expecting characters to undergo major changes over the course of a story is actually quite unrealistic
No one is asking for total 180 changes in personality. It's more about the characters becoming a better version of who they already are, wherein their better qualities are accentuated and better defined and their lesser qualities are subsumed or worked on. Especially in stories about teenagers, the expectation is that the characters will start becoming "more adult" and thus more admirable and likable, and that's not an unrealistic expectation.

IS THIS A MOTHERFUCKING JUNPEI THREAD

>hate on Mass Destruction

>tfw forced to share a board with women like this

The social links from P3 were made as a parody of Atlus's fanbase. You have that one kid that wants to fuck his teacher, a drunk loser that plays mmos all day, and literally fatlus the character.

It's ok to be a huge pervert, but if you say it outloud every 5 seconds people wont flock to your cock user. Ryuji's a dumbass, but at least he's the strongest attacker in the party after the MC.

...

The Moon Arcana in P3 is one of the best social links in the game shut up.

>the lyrics of break out of keep mentioning maverik and going full edgelord at the end
Persona 4 was a mistake

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these are probably the two most realistically written characters in persona 3-5. normal people aren't nice 24/7 wanting to suck your dick from the get go, most people get moody, put on happy facades sometimes and hate on people other times.

p3 has lots of problems, but these two aren't one of them

Tactics menu horror stories:

>Have a party member set to "Knock Down" enemies when all the enemies are weak to their attack
>There are five enemies
>The party member has an SP saving group version of the attack.
>They instead elect to do the singe version. To each enemy. One at a time. Wasting their SP. And my time.

>Have party member set to "Heal and Support
>Get charmed
>Party member in question is not charmed
>No problem, they can just un charm me with one of the 20+ uncharming items I have collecting dust in my inventory
>Party member instead casts another (unnessasary) group heal spell.
>Another party member and myself proceed to beat the party into the precipice of defeat for three fucking turns while the member healing and supporting can barely fucking keep up with the group heal spells.
>If only there were some way this could have been avoided.

Sure the tactics menu makes things more challenging, but in the tedious artificial and unnecessary sort of way.

>if you say it outloud every 5 seconds
But he didn't though. He does talk about girls a lot, which is to be expected because he's a teenage boy, but people seriously exaggerate how much time is spent on it.

>hating mass destuction
>not the ear bleeding reach out to the truth
>not the sleep inducing last surprise

There's nothing wrong with Last Surprise. Songs that you hear all the time over 80+ hours of gameplay shouldn't be loud and obnoxious like Mass Destruction.

My perception is perhaps altered by how often Mona tells him that he sucks every damn fight. His S.Link is pretty good however.

There are some issues with tactics, yeah. For starters, the "Knock Down" option chooses the most surefire method for knocking down enemies, rather than the most cost-effective. Because Zio has a slightly higher accuracy rate than Mazio, for instance, Akihiko will always choose Zio when he's told to knock enemies down. It'd be better to use full assault in these instances.

The game also prioritizes HP over ailments, so if you're charmed but the team is harmed, it'll choose Media.

p4 has a serious problem with MC dickriding, that I can't believe they didn't improve on from 3.

What's an even bigger problem is how safe they play the S-Links, with every development leading to the most stable, least interesting outcome for the characters. See Yukiko going from "I don't want my parent's job" to "Oh I guess I do, all I had to do if feel like I wanted it".

They should have kept the Yosuke Romance

Mass Destruction>Last Surpriseā‰„Reach Out To the Truth>Make History

The Yosuke romance?

tcrf.net/Persona_4/Unused_Voice_Clips/Social_Links#Yosuke_Hanamura

I hate how people justify these poor character by parroting the same shit over and over
>oh you can't expect real people to suck your dick!
>It's more realistic !!

Well you know what in highschool when I made friends with people they were not constant jerks. You don't need to suck my dick to be a decent person and none of these characters are.

For fuck sake the girl won't even hang out with you until end game when your charm is almost maxed.
Holy shit how shallow is that? What a fucking cunt.

Fighting on a thin line of life and death with me every night but we can't even chill after school unless I'm a casanova?
Junpei a bro? he is fake as fuck and has outbursts for no reason and he NEVER hangs out with you unless you literally grow a pussy.

Fuka is one of the few half decent members of the team despite her being a retard at times.

At least the group in persona 4 felt like they actually liked each other and understood friends need a safe space to grow despite everything going on. Holy fuck they even come over to your house and chill with your cousin and a family like bond is developed.

I have no idea why I am supposed to believe the cast of 3 even likes each other but the game treats them like they are the best of friends and I'm supposed to accept that.

Apparently they didn't give Yosuke a romance in P4 because people didn't like that Junpei got a girl in 3, or so I heard.

I like it when my npc buddies get a good end too.

Nice anecdotal evidence.

But you hang out with the male cast on multiples ocassions though
Also keep in mind everyone hated each other at the start of the game
And if i remember correctly the stats are (you) just learning how to have a better gameplan, unless you believe drinking coffe and playing vidya make you a supermodel

Nah, that doesn't seem right. No one has an issue with Junpei and Chidori. The reason Yosuke doesn't have a girlfriend is because P4 as a whole doesn't really give the other characters much focus. In P3, Junpei had a large character arc devoted to him, and the game frequently cut away from the protagonist's perspective to show what he's up to. This allowed him to develop a relationship outside of SEES. But Persona 4 doesn't do that. You don't really see the other characters' lives outside of what you see. If Yosuke suddenly found himself a girlfriend, it'd feel weird and abrupt. In order for him to be able to form those kinds of relationships, the game would have had to give him increased focus outside of what the protagonist sees.

>anecdotal
I brought up in game events fag. Are seriously telling me you made such crappy friends in highschool?

How can you consider someone "a bro" if he literally never spends 1 one 1 time with you unless you have a vagina?

It makes literally no sense.

Why do people keep saying that they hated each other? Junpei and Yukari weren't close, but they were comfortable enough around each other to banter and make jokes. Mitsuru and Akihiko were clearly close friends. Yukari had issues with Mitsuru and Junpei had issues with the protagonist, but it's not as if they all hated each other. Junpei did try to be friendly, but his inferiority complex got in the way at times, that's all.

Well yes you need character dev for that to happen, but why did they give such a big arc to Junpei (and some of the other p3 members as the time went on) while they mostly failed in p4? Even p5 doesn't show what happens to the rest of the people.

I'm replaying Persona 5 right now and so much of the game is front loaded in Kamoshida's palace, after that it's still fun but so formulaic.

>At least the group in persona 4 felt like they actually liked each other and understood friends need a safe space to grow despite everything going on.
Yeah user everyone shitting on Yosuke, and Rise bitching out Kanji really showed me how much they cared for each other. P4 dick rides the MC and then they all treat each other like shit. People beating down on Yosuke was the worst of it though considering he's actually trying to help people and is genuinely a nice guy yet every member of the cast shits on him because he works at a fucking convenience store.

You hang out in a small group for a short period of time but right after they awkwardly pretend no to see you after class and rarely speak 1 vs 1.

The fact of the matter is people you stand with every single fucking night fighting monsters won't even go to share that coffee with you. Meanwhile in 4 and 5 they will hit you up just to hang out on the weekends.

The persona 3 cast is unlikeable and distant from start to end. The only difference is that at the end the story tells you that you are friends now.

>Junpei a bro? he is fake as fuck and has outbursts for no reason and he NEVER hangs out with you unless you literally grow a pussy.

He hangs with you a lot on the story events, what are you talking about? it's not as if it doesn't count 'cause he's not a social link. Besides, in the FeMC path he doesn't even want none from her, and becomes a total bro.

In a coming of age story, it's nice to see characters have growth, with things like Junpei overcoming his inferiority complex, Fuuka becoming slightly less of a wallflower, or even old guys like Mutatsu realizing how fucked his life was becoming.

By the end of the game, the group hanging out together feels earned. Instead of a foregone conclusion.
Though Mitsuru is still kinda rude/insensitive

Because of Social Links. The devs apparently felt that since the core cast all have Social Links, there was no need to have them develop in the story itself.

test

I love Fuuka!

They treat each other like shit and avoid each other every single chance they can. Yukari would rather do nothing then hang out with you and junpei for majority of the fucking story.

Kanji is legit a guy who causes issues with people around him though and as the story goes on this stops. Even at their WORST teasing Kanji it never gets as bad as the shit Yukari says and treats other people.

Yosuke did not really get shit from anyone other than chie and still this is no where near the shit relationship the cast of 3 has. They still hang out with him they still care bout him. The same with Kanji once they get to know him.

It's a big difference from literally ironing people who don't get perfect test scores or not being a literal male model.

I hope that get's somewhat addressed in persona 6. There are so many useless minigames and traps for raising stats, maybe they should tone that down and add some scenes between the others.

I maxed out every S.Link in p5 and I don,t think i ever visited the batting cages, played videogames or rented a movie.

both are terrible

The devs took a lot of stuff for granted. They assumed that since they're all basically living together, the player would just fill in the blanks himself. You often see the characters talking to each other on the second and third floors, and if you walk around the city, you'll sometimes find Yukari hanging out with Junpei or something. The game also often assumes that YOU'LL assume that Yukari, Junpei and the Protagonist are often hanging out when you're not looking.

This is basically the premise of the literally over a dozen drama CDs that exist in Japan; they all offer a glimpse into how these characters interact when you're not looking. The devs just kind of assumed that you'd figure it out on your own without the narrative spelling it out for you. Apparently, the fact that most players didn't really realize this came as a surprise to the devs, which is why P4 was such a cocksucking fest.

P5 is still overall a better game, though.

>Story events
Not 1 on 1 he won't even consider hanging out with you or becoming real friends unless you have a vagina.

Ren>Makoto>Yu
Junpei>Yosuke>Ryuji
Chie>Yukari>Anne
Futaba>Fuuka>Rise
Koromaru>Teddie>Morgana
Yusuke>Kanji>Akihiko
Yukiko>Mitsuru>Makoto

>No development in 5

This meme needs to end

>game also often assumes that YOU'LL assume that Yukari, Junpei and the Protagonist are often hanging out when you're not looking.

user that's a dumb as fuck excuse when I literally control the MC from morning to the time he falls asleep.

>It is a wonder anyone gets past August

I made it on the momentum of the Awakening scene and agreeing with Yukari that Mitsuru is really untrustworthy. Playing the MC after evidence as a sociopath made the game really interesting too. Yukari is also the most caring of others among the party members. Nothing wrong with her.

He literally hangs out with you on the first day of school.

>highschool when I made friends
I forgot you personally making friends in high school happened in the game.

There are large blanks spots throughout the day user. The game only shows you what's going on in the afternoon and evenings.

Oh, and
Shinji>Akechi
Naoto>Ken

Why is Yukari such a cunt all the time
youtube.com/watch?v=NPTIUxbgIBE

Nigger they faced death every single day as they fought monsters and had trusted people either die or turn against them all the while being harassed by some pasty ass anti-christ. Anyone forced to deal with all that crap, especially teenagers, would change.

The version of Mass Destruction that plays during The Answer is my favorite battle theme in the series. Reach Out to the Truth is by far the worst (why else would they replace it in Golden)