>playing Xenoblade 2 >can't progress the game because of these retarded barrels >i have three options >option a: grind poppi's affinities for several hours, talk to 40 little fuckers, then move the barrels. affinity skills are not that important except when they block your progression >option b: salvage until i get good rng and fight a monster who drops a blade that can move the barrels >option c: sit around for a half hour for a little fucker to eventually come and move the barrels himself
Good lord this game is shit. Who at monolith thought this was acceptable?
And there is plenty of side shit to do during that half hour. Anyone who rushes through jrpgs are literal retards.
John Parker
What blade quest?
Andrew Ward
No there's not. There's a merc mission but he already listed that.
Tyler Turner
>excusing bad pacing with "you can just do whatever you want"
But what's the point of the half hour in the first place?
Ethan Taylor
You are an idiot. First of all it takes 10 minutes max to go back to the starting area and talk to the nopon there, but you can even skip all of that and just do the merc quest.
Also what the fuck are you doing man other than level up your blades? Especially poppy is easy as fuck to gain affinity with, but all blades grow MUCH stronger as you gain more affinity with them
Ryder Collins
How can you rush through a jrpg if your have a half hour timer preventing you from progressing things.
Jeremiah Torres
You actually have a 4th option >d: open cores and hope you get Boreas
Anyway, of the ones you listed, option b is the fastest, because you actually need bad luck to get Kassandra, not good luck. It's easier if you actually fail the prompts
Hudson Butler
Did you even read what I mentioned in option C? I never felt compelled to gain affinity because the only time they're useful is when they block you from progressing the game or getting optional loot. They generally just make the game easier. It's just shitty design.
Austin Cook
I threw away about 15 silver cylinders and failed all of the qtes to make sure the monster spawned. Nothing. This is ass.
Mason Roberts
It also makes the blades stronger mach mach strunger
Isaac Gray
>silver cylinders
no dude, you have to do BAD, use normal ones
Eli Bell
Yeah. It makes the game even more of a cakewalk.
Connor Gonzalez
You literally can't criticize Xenoblade 2 on Sup Forums, go elsewhere.
Luke Brown
Lord this is terrible. Who designs a jrpg like this and thinks it is good.
Samuel Perez
Even playing normally raising Poppi shouldn't be hard unless you rushed straight to every story marker
Matthew Morgan
I guess they wanted to showcase their shitty merc system.
Easton White
No I'm about 10 levels above everything else and I need to unlock 2 more tiers of her tree to even be able to unlock nopon wisdom level 3. And to do that I do boring checklist shit like using specific pouch items (which i may/may not have and need to grab), salvage (doing qtes for rng loot drops), play tiger tiger a bunch of times (mini game), etc. This isn't fun.
Jaxon Sanchez
just do the damn merc mission and go pick collectibles or do side quests in the meantime nigger
yes it's shit design but you can literally just go take a shit while the merc mission completes and move on
Cameron Powell
I'm saying the game is shit, I'm not complaining that time literally froze and I can't do anything. Thanks though, I had a big fat ogre shit.
Charles Torres
based
Easton Jones
git gud
Jose Parker
Really? Didn't know your luck level actually played a part on spawning the mob. I got it to spawn on my third salvage.
On a side note, wouldn't it have made more sense if Kasandra was Zeke's default blade? I mean, I like Pandoria and all, but having the actual reason as to why all the bad shit happens to Zeke is because of his blade would have been kind of funny.
Jayden Diaz
A game on any other system would get lynched for this, but because it's the switch, it's GOTY
Jack Young
idk how people find menial crap like this entertaining.
Joshua Torres
That part was dumb. Just do the Merc mission and move on. This is one of the only times you can get stuck on a skill check.
Jeremiah Powell
Indeed, bitching about it online is the way to go
Leo Young
You sound like a gigantic bitch op.
Logan Evans
It's logical though. From the beginning of the game you're taught that monsters appear more often with poor quality cylinders and if you fail the prompts.
Brody Anderson
Were all of the monolith designers working in different buildings when they were planning this shit? It feels so brainlessly designed.
Xavier Morales
If someone is having an issue at a part pretty much no one else had an issue with, is it more logical to call the game bad, or that person just a bad player?
Isaiah Turner
Logical but unnecessary. if i was saying positive things then you wouldn't care. nah, why be critical if you can just be self indulgent.
Benjamin Gray
Because it's Nintendo, even though XB2 is hated by anyone with a functioning brain and is only loved by trannie leftists who want to feel safe with their anime boobie game.
Dominic Anderson
Few people had an issue with it because nobody has any standards and think critically enough to call out bad shit. I haven't heard anyone reasonably argue against me calling it shit.
Colton Turner
That's natural of people who shill the most hated game of 2017.
Gavin Lewis
>unnecessary
You can call anything in any video game unnecessary under this logic. How are you this retarded that you can't fathom an enemy spawning due to the players playing poorly or getting bad rng?
Anthony Russell
>he wasn't already at a high enough wisdom level by the time he reached it >game even gives you a free option to wait until other blades beat it for you if you're a brain dead mongoloid and he still complains
Luke Nguyen
>38/18
OP, you have to try and wait for other people to take the bait before you reply to yourself in your thread, otherwise you just look silly.
Brandon Hughes
>the player is playing badly explain what justifies the inclusion of salvaging and why it never had this much bearing on things until now.
Ryder Rodriguez
I really wish Sup Forums had ID's. It's probably the same faggot replying to himself.
Hunter Garcia
Are you fucking using the bonus exp? that's literally the baby mode. They only other possible way you'd be 10 levels higher is if you did side quests which you clearly didn't since you're having these issues.
Cameron Johnson
>not reading option c >implying theres any reason to care about affinities prior >this is quality are you a retard
Carter White
>Are you fucking using the bonus exp? Why wouldn't he be? If it makes the game that much easier maybe it shouldn't be in the game at all in the first place..
Jayden Rogers
It's Eric. When you see someone call it "the most hated game of 2017" it's always Eric. He also developed a tendency to hold entire conversations agreeing with himself.
Juan Baker
>never had this much bearing on things until now
It still doesn't I never had an issue with this portion and didn't get Kassandra until post game.
John Jackson
>fetch quests >not setting self imposed rules on a first run good game >fans of this game are such aspies that they think im replying to myself
Joseph Brown
Just before this, the game teaches you about split quest. The intent was that if you had Lv3 Nopon Wisdom, you could just solve it. It’s just an odd road block because the alternative is wait 30 minutes. I agree that it’s dumb. At least doing something where you’re actively engaged would have been better than waiting or grinding affinity.
Lucas Rodriguez
>games shouldn't have easy modes for little kids and retards
here's your (You)
Jacob Gutierrez
Don't know who that is, but jesus is it pathetic.
Logan Gray
>you never had an issue Does that mean you spent several hours doing the checklist shit or waited for the merc mission?
Cooper Morris
Salvaging has no bearing on this quest at all, you're just grasping at straws at this point.
Jackson Walker
It's not "easy mode" because this shit's already easy. It's less tedious mode.
Nathaniel White
>the most hated game of 2017 Implying this is wrong? XB2 fans are always BTFO in every thread they're in, and their circlejerks are usually overtaken by based anons rightfully shitposting and bantzing against objective flaws with the """game""". This hasn't happened with even Mass Effect Andromeda or Star Wars Battlefromt 2, it's that bad.
Justin Anderson
You're not supposed to use the Inn exp, that's specifically for making the game play itself if you're too stupid to understand the gameplay.
You're not supposed to have nopon wisdom level 3 either. Doing the 20 minute merc mission is the intended way to proceed, the field skill check is the alternate bonus route for people who happened to get the right blades.
It's not exactly hard to find something meaningful to spend 20 minutes on in this game.
Camden Walker
Blunderfag is a very sad man. I'm sure someone has the image, all I have is his youtube debut.
>i'm grasping at straws no, im cycling through my options to overcome an obstacle.
Jaxson Taylor
>Most hated game >plenty of people love it enough to defend it >but no one is defending these games that everyone hates so Xenoblade is more hated
literally what?
Ryder Bailey
Are you some kind of delusional retard? If anything there's way too little criticism in the XC2 threads, most people seem to agree it's the best Xeno game which certainly isn't the case.
Anyone who uses the term "BTFO" is autistic by the way, see XV-kun, who is a major autist and sounds just like you. Maybe you are even him.
Adrian Thomas
>you're not supposed to use the exp at the inn why is it an option then? this game is piss easy already, have had no problem spamming break, topple, launch, and blade combos. >im too stupid to get it Merc mission is actually 30 minutes. Stop excusing bad pacing with "well you can just do whatever you want since the game set an arbitrary barrier". Gee, thanks for pointing that out.
Isaac Collins
>Happened to get the right blades
It's entirely possible to have enough affinity for Poppi if you were completing quests in Uraya before getting to Mor Ardain. They intend for you to do it either way, though I think this is meant to be a "Better keep up with your Blade affinity chart, or you can get stuck." tutorial and they give you a nice way out of it. Most checks also have ways around it, or you are given blades via the story to make sure you aren't getting stuck. Anyone that got stuck should have realized they weren't playing the game right, instead they take it out on the game and call it bad design, even though the game makes mention and shows you multiple times how important affinity chart and thus field skills are.
Impatient idiots that are rushing through the story.
Grayson Rivera
He's right though. You can't get Kassandra until you get passed this part. She's not an option for you and you're grasping at straws to make it seem worse then it is. Realize what the game is trying to tell you. Keep up with your charts, the 30 minute wait is your punishment, as it is very possible for Poppi to be maxed out, but you refused to do it.
Nicholas Reyes
>completing fetch quests >30 minute timer is a nice way out >affinities just serve to block you
It doesn't matter if there's a solution because it's not good design. Tell me what makes it good. I say its bad because I'm not progressing rpg using wit, I'm checking off tasks on a checklist.
Anthony Thomas
>Why does the game have an easy mode if I shouldn't use it?
So I guess you play every game on easy then and proceed to complain that they are easy. Legit retarded.
Oh and merc missions are shorter if you use blades with correct field skills, which you should have at least some of. You should already know this.
Michael Edwards
>keep up with charts or you literally can't do anything >this is the most use you'll get from affinities This is menial, bad design user.
Isaac Baker
>You can't get Kassandra until you get passed this part
You totally can You just grab the key for the gate in the harbor from the Fief of Forgetfulness.
Daniel Foster
But its already easy without inn exp.
Blake Bailey
The game specifically tells you that Inn exp is for those who want to turn their brains off when you first unlock that feature.
>I say its bad because I'm not progressing rpg using wit
No shit you aren't, you don't have any wit.
James Martinez
>this is the most use you'll get from affinities I'd say the most use you'll get from affinities is the yellow node battle passives.
Jason Ward
It's not even that, you can get Kass before the barrel check. It's the fact he's saying salvaging is needed for the barrels when it not at all.
John Baker
How would you know that when your only experience with the game is from being 10+ levels overleveled? Retard.
Jack Murphy
Now tell me why this menial checklist shit is good design.
Juan Powell
They even give you an option to beat the check if you were too lazy to even bother playing the game properly by just waiting. You're literally looking for the smallest thing you can latch onto to continue your tantrum about something that's not only a non-issue, it actively works to become a non-issue.
Bentley Roberts
Where does the game want to use wit? What makes this good in any way?
Adam Myers
Blunderfag sounds even more defeated than usual lately. Wonder why.
Caleb Martinez
>too lazy to play the game properly >not waiting is lazy >this is good rpg design >thinking people find tedious dull box ticking is fun Have higher standards.
Lucas Williams
Every RPG is a checklist one way or another, idiot. Hell, every game is a checklist if you boil it down.
If you are smart, you'll complete the checklists naturally as you come across items on them while progressing, because you read all the affinity charts and make mental notes of things you should do, such as killing certain monsters if you happen to see them.
If you are stupid, you'll ignore core game systems until the game forces you to use them, and then sperg out and complain on Sup Forums.
Hunter Long
>flaw is pointed out, game is called shit >retard points out a shitty solution >somehow invalidates the claim of being called shit
Jaxson Ross
See
Levi Johnson
There is no “wit” to progressing the story in Xeno games, the “wit” aspect of the game is all in coming up with ways to break the battle system
Easton Peterson
This is literally asking me to complete a certain number of tasks so I can meet an arbitrary threshold and not be prevented from progressing. I'm not being witty, or skillful, or creative, I'm going down a checklist.
Hudson Walker
The game doesn't give me any reason to do them go after affinities other than "if you don't you can't go any further."
Chase Bell
>Woooow >You mean I have X amount of people to complete this mission requiring me to kill X amount of people? >So arbitrary. It's not skillful at all. Look, I'm pressing the buttons and killed 3 of them. Why do I need to kill 5? Shut the fuck up DSP.
David Gonzalez
Is there ANYTHING positive to say about this game? So far the haters are the only people who seem to know what they're talking about. Leads me to conclude that this just trumped Saga 2 as the worst Xeno game.
Jack Gonzalez
>talk to 40 npcs who say the same retarded useless shit >this is how you progress the skill tree >this is good game design This type of boring filler content should be limited to optional stuff, how is this enjoyable. Oh wait its to fucking deep and impenetrable for me, I must not get it. Nevermind.
Joshua Howard
just do sidequest or some other shit while the merc merc mission is over faggot
Jackson Edwards
>I must not get it. The first sensible thing you've said all thread DSP.
Brandon Gomez
You know this wouldn't be an issue if the task at hand wasn't to play a minigame over and over or use X character's favorite pouch item X times or shit like that. It's boring shit.
Caleb Foster
>can't come up with any solid refutations and resorts to ad hominem classic Sup Forums
Hunter Fisher
>look! I'm typing nonsensical words on the post box but it's not making an argument >bugged bitching mechanics >good job Nintendo
Ryan Butler
>people who haven't blade the game are the one's who no what they're talking about
lmao
Hudson Lee
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
David Campbell
Okay so only way to have fun is to not play JRPGs. i can do that. fuck gaming
it takes max 3 tries to get her nodes from Tiger Tiger. You literally have to be total shit at it otherwise, they even added an easy mode for you faggots. Which apparently don't need to exist.
Jayden Walker
Should be option, its easy but its tedious and not fun. I've already played it many times customizing poppi.
Jose Sullivan
N*ntendo shills already rigging the polls. Nice.
Brandon Martinez
just equip another blade that has nopon wisdom and pair it with poppi to get 2.
Ayden Young
How about play an rpg that asks more of you than to do unfun busywork?