I don't see the big hullabaloo about this game

I don't see the big hullabaloo about this game...

It's basically a mod of Fallout 3, but somehow more boring and it fails to convey the atmosphere of a hopeless desolate wasteland the same way FO3 does.

>hopeless desolate wasteland the same way FO3 does.

That wasn't supposed to happen though, after two centuries the world has long since started to recover.

>hopeless desolate wastelan
Now I might be wrong but I'm 99% sure the point of Fallout was to convey a wasteland that was recovering and the struggles that entails as opposed to being hopeless.

More importantly, it did not actually feel desolate. It felt like a really poorly done movie set as imagined by a spastic twelve years old. It was one of the least immersive and atmospheric RPG's I've ever played.

>fails to convey the atmosphere of a hopeless desolate wasteland the same way FO3 does.
Congratulations! You somehow managed to miss the entire point!

>it fails to convey the atmosphere of a hopeless desolate wasteland the same way FO3 does
They're not trying to convey that kind of atmosphere, the theme of New Vegas and its DLCs is 'begin again'. It's about nostalgia, letting go of the old and rebuilding the new world in your image, whatever that might be. That's why you have factions that differ so wildly in how they want to structure society while also mimicing past human societies. Fallout 3 was the outlier in the series because it made the entire world a wasteland and TOO desolate. It's been over two centurries since the war, the world has had time to recover.

3 or nv

To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day
Hardly spoke to folks around him, didn't have too much to say,
No one dared to ask his business, no one dared to make a slip
The stranger there among them had a big iron on his hip,
Big iron on his hip

3. It had some of the WORST world-building and environmental design I've ever seen in an RPG.

How many did you play that aren't made after 2010?
>immersive
>atmospheric
are words usually spouted by plebs trying to sound like they know shit.

>How many did you play that aren't made after 2010?
Plenty, most of the decent ones that were on PC, I'd say.

>are words usually spouted by plebs trying to sound like they know shit.
Is this a joke, kid? Does most basic terminology make you this insecure? You could just learn what the words mean, you know: it takes about five minutes.

I’ll take your bait.
>hopeless desolate wasteland
>second game in the series established that the west coast had long since rebuilt a functioning society
>decades later all references to west coast as the same quality of life as early 20th standards

>Big Iron
I believe you mean "some iron"

3 is built more on the idea of "lets make whacky places that players can go too", with little thought to narrative connection or just basic logic.

This. If anything it's a fuck up on 3's part. And yes I know someone will respond something about super mutants and a bunch of shit as to why DC is so shit but in my eyes it just reeks of them wanting to make it closer to the war, but opting not too because they were afraid people would be mad that it take place beofre the others despite being the third game.

Settings-wise, it's mainly build around the idea of "what do children think of when you say post-apocalyptic set- you know what, I'm bored now anyway, just pawn the job on the intern." philosophy. It's actually almost insulting just how little they thought of their audience. Though to be honest, that is mainly the core attitude of Bethesda these days anyway, and it seems to be working out for them.

Bethesda has some inane policy where every game in a series HAS to be set chronologically after the last game, no matter how little they have in common

It's why NV had its timeframe changed to be after 3 and why 4 is set after NV despite being separated by an entire continent

Fallout 3 won't even let you choose your faction, you HAVE TO be the "good guys" of the story. Because the game will actively punish you for choosing the "wrong" choice, but the punishment only comes in Broken Steel, so...
Fallout 3 would've been slightly better if you could join the Enclave.

this game is fucking great. You're probably just a lil gaffer.

>to convey the atmosphere of a hopeless desolate wasteland the same way FO3 does.
Except FO wasnt never about that, it's about a civilization trying to rise up again while trying to not fall for the same mistakes that led them to that point

>almost insulting just how little they thought of their audience
come on now it was the 00's. Videogames still had its image of being "epictastically awesomesauce cool bro" , they marketed it for mainstream from the get go.

Emperor Maxson will bring order and prosperity to the west coast so it doesn't lag behind so much compared to the east coast.

You did support the BoS didn't you?

You missed the entire point of the game and you bitch like a child that it isn't up to what you want it to be. You are crying like a pretentious little bitch, bitch.

BIG IRON

Nice blimp profligate.

>trying to rise up again while trying to not fall for the same mistakes
No no no. Its trying yet still doing so again, because war. War never changes.

main problem with the brotherhood is they don't have an end-goal

roam around and keep/steal tech away from everyone is just uniformed raiding

>like a child that it isn't up to what you want it to be
I wanted it to be good.
It was not.
It was a pile of shit.
If you think it's not OK to complain about a game - especially one coming from as incredibly valuable pedigree as fucking Fallout - not being good, then you might be the fucking definition of cancer.

I enjoyed 3 when it came out, but it’s not nearly as good as NV. I have no desire to go back in play 3 while I’ve done many playthroughs of NV. Fallout 3 was still a decent game despite what Sup Forums says.

How much of an effect would that thing actually done during the battle?

All of your complains boils down to you having shit taste and the understanding and nuance of a monkey whacking a broken flashlight. Screeching at the fact that it doesn't light up anymore.
>I want it to be good
You're retarded opinions is not a valid basis for quality boyyo. Maybe next time stick to cowwaduddy/ ;)

This goes to show that people have really different tastes. Fallout 3 and NV were for me the exact opposite. They are the most atmospheric and immersive games I have ever played.

>Fallout 3 was still a decent game despite what Sup Forums says.
Sure is. Also like you I prefer everything New Vegas did to 3, but that is the magic word "preference"

Here's the thing while I hate what Bethesda has done to Fallout I can let other people enjoy it. I wish Obsidian would make something I want to play as much as NV did/does

>don't have an end-goal
protecting humanity from itself

>and the understanding and nuance of a monkey whacking a broken flashligh
Wait. You are ACTUALLY talking about nuance while defending Fallout 3? Is this a joke? You are saying "stick to COD" when defending Fallout 3? The game that literally took MASSIVE inspiration from COD?
Wow. That is just amazing.

"Different taste" does not always cut it. Fo3 is the videogame equivalent of the Twilight saga: it's exploitative, cheap, and just all around a poor piece of work that sells because it aims at the very lowest possible common denominators while offering absolutely nothing of any actual value.

This is what AAA games still are, to a more severe degree. Look at Fallout 4. 100% made looking at statics on what the mainstream console bro gamers wanted. "Whoa have you heard about this Minecraft thing? We should add crafting into our game!"
I feel like Fallout: NV somehow slipped under that a bit because it was made by RPG veterans. It came just at the right time.

>no! advance weapons technology is bad! you could kill us all!
>here, have a much safer ballistic weapon and some knives

I think the common waster having a fatman could create problems

I know tons of normies who couldn’t get into Fallout 3, because it was too “slow/boring” and went right back to COD. It definitely does not cater to the lowest common denominator.

At was into fo3 more than NV at the start, the "whacky shit" and "atmosphere" really did sell it. Plus it was back in 2010 and fo3 doesn't crash every 30 minutes like NV did.
But the more i played the more the novelty wore down and once you hit bottom you realize how shallow it actually is. NV took some growing into, but aside from the game breaking bugs and glitches in its early days, it was actually better almost in all ways.

I think the common wastelander having a rifle and oodles of ammunition could create more problems over a longer period of time

The demographic changed but the marketing strategy never did. Fuck i wish they'd just make a AAA game based on what they want to make, not what they want to sell.

Yeah, sure. The "we are going to stuff a fucking fatman in your hand roughly 40 minutes into the game to have a scripted epic battle sequence with a behemot supermutant" really had issue with being too slow.
Fallout 3 is as fucking low common denominator as HUMANLY POSSIBLE in an RPG.

>what they want to make
Money
>what they want to sell
Something that makes money

Its almost like institutions created by man have faults. Personally I think the BoS are full of morons but don't support House's genocidal approach

They forget that they themselves are human and are also prone to make the same mistakes as other humans.
Brotherhood hypocritical scum.

I like NV because being a melee character is actually a viable option.

I want to be a dumb ass Caveman dammit, and I want it to be interesting.

got me there.

Fallout 4 even more so. In the firts half hout they give you a house, the token dog, Power Armor, and a fight wiht e the most recognizable enemy but should have been late game only the death claw

>it fails to convey the atmosphere of a hopeless desolate wasteland the same way FO3 does.
that's because it isn't

>fails to convey the atmosphere of a hopeless desolate wasteland the same way FO3 does
what part of post-apocalypse do you not understand

Not low enough for normies.

It's crazy to like Fallout NV but more like Fallout 3.
Fallout 3 is a good game, Fallout NV is just better and more complex. I'd say Fallout 3 is a 8/10 and Fallout NV is a 9-9.5/10.
You are just swallowing what Sup Forums said about Fallout 3, wholesale. There was nothing like Fallout 3 in 2008.

what's a bitch-bitch?

>Supporting the dumb niggers that blow up the most advanced technology the world has seen (barring the Bit MT)

He didn't deserve it, did he Sup Forums?

dude fuck you NV has the first real quality world building to follow the FO1-FO2 saga. Game literally feels like what FO3 would have been if it was made shortly after FO2 and transformed from the isometric into 1st person 3d.
The quest depth is absolutely daunting. I actually had to play NV for the first time in short bursts because my decisions always had such consequence no matter which way I went with it. NV ain't perfect but it's basically the true successor.

Let me guess, you coulnt "relate" to the main character because you didnt spend half an hour playing trough the early years of his life?

>if we can't control it, no one will

Ask your father.

>and fo3 doesn't crash every 30 minutes like NV did
Do you perhaps play on console? Or do you just have brain damage?

Thank god we've moved on from this ugly design

I appreciate us being able to put him out of his misery. I did not appreciate Bethesda jamming him in there was a half-assed attempt to link to previous games.

He got off easier than most wastelanders. At least we can put him out of his misery.

No user, it says big iron.

Yeah, the fucking power armor: that shit was just straight up insulting.

I was criticizing Fo3, not New Vegas. My point was that Fo3 never felt desolate to begin with.

No he was just a man on the wrong time at the wrong place
Also was turning ghouls from semi-zombie looking people to burn victims a good choice?

You literally kill everyone inside the place prior to nuking it. They could have had the technology to create cyborgs AND the ability to research/own nuke, yet threw both away because it easier to make only two endings. I mean, because they claim they can't control it

It's funny how Fallout NV was slept on when it came out and now it's like in the Top 10 best games of all time according to Sup Forums.

It's a hell of a lot less difficult to have different characters if you don't have to put the time into modelling their unique faces, so probably.

You probably like S.T.A.L.K.E.R

The more games I play, the more my thoughts seem to sync up with this opinion. It's just that there are better out there.

Melee was good in fallout 3. The fucking shiskabab kicked ass.

>You probably like S.T.A.L.K.E.R
Yep, mostly. It's a fucking flawed series as hell, I could go on listing it's major issues for hours, but it is worth playing in the end.

Cyborgs are abominations and nukes caused everything to begin with.

Nigga you serious? NV has been top 10 on Sup Forums since the day it came out, literally half of Sup Forums was NV threads for months, and we kept having daily NV threads posted by Mr. New Vegas for months after it died down.

Only the general public slept on New Vegas because most of them got in to the series with 3.

It's closer to CoD than Fallout 3. Just because it was made by a smaller team doesn't give it a pass.

99% the point of fallout was to be a cRPG that was popular at the time but based off of A Boy and His Dog / Mad Max / other post-apocalyptic nuclear-scare movies and media instead of D&D.

SPECIAL was a resultant incident where the original pen-and-paper RPG mechanics they wanted to use were withdrawn by the creator because he didn't support the "anti-fantasy" gore/sex/drugs present in fallout.

The things that made Fallout famous were combinations of chance
>You could take a sledgehammer to a kid's crotch- steal from anybody, etc. Wild concept of game freedom at the time!
>Dialogue/Quest tree depth and game humor came from the cooked up underpaid work of just a small number of nerd-brains
>SPECIAL classless RPG mechanics an act of desperation to fill the hole of the withdrawn PnP system fluked into being really good

The engrossing saga of Shady Sands into the NCR, Caesar's Legion, The Brotherhood of Steel, the Enclave, the FEV, etc. was never a planned theme but actually an accident which is probably why it's so good! It feels like a HUMAN story because nothing ever gets tied up neatly, just like real life HUMAN history.

Are you seriously mentally retarded? Yeah, Stalker is a shooter. Big fucking suprise, it has more mechanically in common with another shooter than with a fucking RPG. Mind blown.

What kind of fucking pathetic argument is this shit? Did they drop you on the head when you were a kid?

I'm about to try F4 because of the free weekend meme.

Is it as shit as Sup Forums says it is?

the story is god awful, save for Far Harbor

the game is good as wandering around fps and there are some really terminal entries about raiders

the mods are pretty decent

New Vegas was memed into internet popularity by obnoxious autist.

also if you have enough OCD, you can build cities

Caesar's Legion is the only group that gets it right. It was a real shock to my system when I was playing NV when I really took it in. It was when I was absorbing the breakdown of their class-based society from that Legion slaver when it really clicked.

NCR was noble attempt but they're bound to end up repeating the Old World's mistakes.

user not everyone here is an underage that played NV on the latest version and the unofficial patch. NV was crashtastic as fuck way back when, there was even a version where it crashes when you enter certain areas and progress on some of the quest. For the longest time the Khans quest was broken and unfixable.
i'll throw your question back to you. Are you fucking retarded?

>Caesar's Legion is the only group that gets it right
Caesar dies and the Legion crumbles

Nah, base NV on PC is pretty good, I have archives of all patches and I play base a lot, you don't know what you're talking about.

>but somehow more boring and it fails to convey the atmosphere
Kys FO3 only babby

i never played this game because i played fallout 3 and hated it

Nigger i still have the copy and the saves on my old copy, i've been on now dead forums and on obsidians talking about the crash problems. Now no amount of you lying and would deter the fact that you are an underage retard that don't know shit. Early NV was broken as fuck.

New Vegas is heralded by the same retards who think Fallout 2 is superior to 1, and then rag on Fallout 3 because of all the cultural references when Fallout 2 was fucking Borderlands levels of referencing other shit.

Yes, form what I see the shooting has been improved greatly at the expense of almost everything else.

Might wanna restructure your bait a bit there buddy. It makes no fucking sense.

What do you guys think of FO4: NV mod in the works?

Not if you side with the Legion at Hoover Dam, they enslave all of New Vegas.

Man, all these complaints about "they gave a certain weapon and enemy too soon". Is rather petty and irrelevant to me. Sure the pacing could have been better in some quests but at the end of the day there are no other games on the market like a bethesda RPG. As imperfect as they are, nothing can come close to their immersive, huge detailed worlds.

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>and then rag on Fallout 3 because of all the cultural references when Fallout 2 was fucking Borderlands levels of referencing
wut

No one shits on Fallout 3 because of cultural references. We shit on Fallout 3 because it is a shit game and a shit RPG. Only braindead people can get enjoyment out of such a mediocre game.

Which isn't surprising considering it is an American game aimed for the masses.

*replaces with Orange Colored Sky*

it's just that in FO3 the controlled for these things like adding Power Armor training to use it so the player wouldn't be OP from the start