celeste is outselling Iconoclasts.
lazy generic pixelshit is outselling a creative work of blood, sweat and tears with actual art.
there's no justice in this world.
celestes pixel "art" is fucking shit even by 90's standards.
you've doomed us to a future of lazy generic pixel blob indie clones smothered in bloom filters. with the same basic platform mechanics you can learn to make following simple gamemaker tutorials on youtube.
is this what you want indie games to be?
both those games are shit, i only buy good indie platformers
kero blaster?
Celeste is more fun to play though. Matt has way more experience making platformers and it shows.
Quit trying to pit these two groups against each other by falseflagging, OP.
>platformer outsells a metroidvania
no shit
>Realism and highly detailed art are the only respectable forms of art
Things tasteless brainlets say
Both ruined by SJW nonsense.
i'm not. they came out at around the same time.
one is a work of art with unique fun mechanics.
the other is a rushed meatboy clone with shit art.
the idiot masses are throwing money at the latter.
it makes me depressed for the future of indie games.
games that look like celeste should be shunned because of the low quality.
Celeste has nicer visuals and better art.
Graphics =/= Quality
See: Owlboy
it's objectively shit. it's the same bloby art non artists try to get away with again and again. it takes no effort or talent.
Literally the first time I've heard of Iconoclasts, maybe you should have shilled your shit better. Nintendo gave a lot of spotlight to Celeste which in turn got it discussed more
Both look like indie pixel shit. What do these two games add that hasn't been already done before? Actually curious.
Stop shilling your game developer. It’s not our fault that you spent 8 years making a single game only for it to turn out mediocre.
You mean like Terraria and Risk of Rain?
I don't care if you hate pixel art. I know even you can see the startling difference in quality.
>it's objectively shit.
>Judges game entirely on art
Look who's the casual faggot now
In what way?
Iconoclast went full sjw it deserves it
The top looks like over saturated pixel shit and the bottom looks like worse pixel shit with tumble avatars.
Now what do these games add to the world of game play that hasn't been done before?
Like what do these games do that I can't get from Super Mario World, Dawn of Sorrow, Sonic, etc?
Based on the marketing images only because I haven't played either game - Celeste just looks better. Iconoclasts has more pixels but Celeste has much better direction and doesn't have that weirdness to it with lots of detail and shading in some places and big blank solid colours in others that Iconoclasts does.
Also I totally thought Iconoclasts was a shitty smash bros knockoff until I actually clicked through. The name does it no favours.
Celeste is the only meatboy/n++/whatever style game that actually hooked me and had me wanting to complete it. The story is enough without being in your face, and it only adds to the game. I have Iconoclasts but haven't gotten around to playing it yet. It's just a really good and refined take on the formula. The collectibles are really well done, and the difficulty curve is perfect
Switch owners should buy Furi instead of Celeste. Fuck the third boss though.
HAHAHAHA ICONOCLAME BTFO
All I can see is how pained your ass is that your shitty game isn't selling
>le art doesn't matter meme
so I can smear shit on paper & take pictures to use as graphics and replace the assets in your favourite game with with those.
all the characters and backgrounds are now blocks and other simple shapes covered in shit.
you'd still buy the game?
>Playing Plebbit & Tumblr: The Games
This is what you get, retard
Western indie gaming is fucking dead
>x is outselling y
Welcome to the world of indie games, where no matter the quality, only exposure sells them
>Calls you a retard for judging game 100% on art assets
>'You must be some dummy that disregards aesthetics entirely'
Bravo
what makes celeste "sjw" btw
I was on the fence about getting Celeste on the Switch, but all the autistic rage over it from people like OP made me buy it.
people training themselves to see everything as sjw shit
Iconoclasts really should have came out earlier, It's gotta be hard to make a metroidvania in this post hollow knight world
it's not that. it's that the art quality is unacceptably low. you know because it's made by non-artist. it's lazy and easy to produce.
The dev of celeste put anita in his previous game.
why support devs who half ass their products?
>Collectibles that dont mean shit are well done.
I hope you never make a videogame.
You can certainly learn to make good platforming controls, but how easy is it to make a 20-25 hour game jampacked full of creative levels that are always introducing new things, and has an enormous amount of depth once you start speedrunning them?
the creator of cs is a kiddie diddler but im not gonna stop playing that, who cares what he did for his previous games
>That picture
>Comparing small current day projects to games that were made by large teams of highly paid professionals in their day with millions of dollars of development cost
effort doesnt equal good game
not that celeste is any good either
To get replies from spergs like you.
Same, it was actually a really good purchase, I was looking for something to 100% and this satifies my autism
>Collectibles that dont mean shit
You need the hearts to access later levels. Strawberries are only needed if you want a challenge or to get an all clear. They're pretty much the perfect "fuck it I'll come back later" mechanic if you've had too much of a level
>celestes pixel "art" is fucking shit even by 90's standards
What do you mean? The 90s had the highest standard when it comes to pixel art. Celeste looks worse than most 8bit games from the 80s.
Actually they are pretty close. Meanwhile my favorites from 2017 sold less than those two. The only one who sold decently is Nex Machina, but it was in Humble bundle, so that doesn't really count.
>Collectibles that dont mean shit
>tapes unlock b-sides
>hearts unlock harder levels
what did he mean by this
if you have talent you can draw. it doesn't take money.
if you have no talent you'll make tiny incoherent pixel blobs because that's all you can do.
>bleed 2
What an oddly nostalgic ride
And way fucking better than Cuphead. But one used it's development time to create a good game, other one used it to create fancy graphics. Don't get me wrong, I love old cartoons and Cuphead looks amazing. But when it comes to what actually matters, Bleed 2 eats Cuphead and shits it out in no time.
where can I pirate iconoclasts thanks
(((((((((((((((SANDBREG)))))))))))))))))
Like Pico if it was actually good video game
>exclusively talking about visuals and not gameplay
You don't belong on Sup Forums.
>if you have talent you can draw. it doesn't take money.
It takes time. Time takes money. You have no idea what you're talking about.
She's trying to abort her stillborn twin
I have no idea. I assume it's just Sup Forums overreacting
i'm a fucking artist moron. I've been drawing my whole life. if you're too lazy to put the time in to make your game look good you don't deserve any respect or money.
the primary reason behind pixel shit graphics is lack of talent and competence not time.
Nothing.
Well I mean theres a plot point about Madeleins Dark side and how she has to accept it to grow stronger but thats not really sjw thats just sonic tier writing
>I'm an artiste, Yes, fufu
Show me the games you worked on
search Iconoclasts v1.13 download
ahh i see, so you're just salty that a game with shit art sells more than a game with effort put into the art
>games have to have better art to be better games
This is a shit opinion, I haven't played either games.
>I'm an artist and I work for free
YES!
SHOW THE ART
SHOW THE ART
SHOW THE ART
*CLAP*
SHOW THE ART
aww, babby is salty that a game with shit art is better than his shit game with good art
Post your art here so everyone can laugh at you.
No, it's because it's much easier to animate and allows small teams to get much more work done much more quickly. A game with highly detailed art is prohibitively expensive to make for most small indie teams.
Iconoclasts "style" is just cluttered and messy and generic
Just because you vomit pixels and colors onto a screen doesn't make your visuals any good
Not to say Celeste is any better but if Iconoclast is better its not because of the visuals
then you're just a bumbling retard, a game with good art is not necessarily a good game.
>Celeste celebrates murder of innocents
Context for this? Preferably without cherrypicking por favor.
but a game with shit art is an unfinished, unpolished product not worthy of sale.
>artist
He meant autist.
It doesnt, its a Sup Forums meme because some idiot saw a brown guy in the game and started spreading rumors without even touching the game
Murder is the >>>unlawful
Show me one other game that looks like iconoclasts
I hope you know there are C-sides.
they are both fucking garbage
kill yourself
I think Iconoclast's color palette is kinda shitty.
>C-sides
>lazy generic pixelshit
>outsells lazy generic pixelshit
wow....what an injustice.........
What the fuck happened to this place in the last few years? The constant shitposting has just been snowballing out of control to the point where now anons will make up and believe complete lies just to avoid actually talking about video games.
You don't even want to know about golden strawberries. Beat each chapter without dying.
Oh how amazing a janitor wants people to believe that Celeste actually had political messages in it
It does
Not
Iconoclast is very original and is nothing like any game you mentioned.
Frogatto is a prime example
It's better looking too
It's also pretty obvious that Iconoclasts took some cues from 2D Sonic games as well but its not nearly as unique looking
maybe if you'd have compared it to klonoa or mischief makers. you'd be slightly more on point.
Iconoclast looks better than Frogatto, but the style is fundamentally different because Iconoclast is trying to be saturated and colorful where as Frogatto has harsh blacks everywhere.
Where is the torrent for celeste, can't find a link that works properly, they are always missing something.
is the part with the c-sides called the C-section?
>Iconoclast looks better than Frogatto
not true 2bh
they both do this stupid "put geometrical shapes literally everywhere to make things look complex" shit though
Iconoclasts just does it way more
Because Frogatto just puts harsh blacks where that would be and it ends up all over the screen at any given moment.
I like both games.
Die in a fire, OP.
Everything in this screen is actually shaded and textured. Iconoclasts is like 30% fill tool and it just looks half done.
Celeste has some of the best level design I've seen in a platformer since Dustforce. Who the fuck cares about sprites with this sort of thing?
Its better for doing that though
Notice how all that black space is places that logically you shouldn't be able to see like inside the ground
If no light is touching something then yeah it should just be black
This. Forget the west and stick to the Japs. Put the money and the right place to keep the industry going the right way.
There's nothing stupid about that, it looks neat.
Iconoclasts sounds like the inferior game.
Konjac or whomever focused way too much on the story causing the gameplay and music to suffer. The art looks nice, but the platform puzzles are tedious at best most of the time with the music forgettable. The story, despite the work put into it, is also the worst part of the game.
I'm pushing myself to finish.
>Put the money and the right place to keep the industry going the right way.
cave stort is free and made by someone who already has another job