Why are the Western Silent Hill games so obsessed with this whole face your inner demons" thing?
Only SH 2 was about that, yet every SH after 4 is the same boring plotline.
I just don't get it, what's scary about a town that just wants to somehow make you get over a trauma in your life?
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Because psychological horror is the most relevant and interesting kind of horror. It's much like the difference between fantasy and magical realism. Psychological horror (of course, if done right), even if using supernatural elements, ultimately reflects on people, and provides us with most meaningful messages. It's more scary and more captivating if the subject matter is something that actually exists in your world, something you can actually relate to. It's a much more real form of horror, which makes the experience more interesting and valuable.
It's what made SH series such a landmark in the horror genre too, so it only makes sense that is what they are trying to capitalize on. Even if they usually don't do it all that well past SH2.
Because America need to face El goblino in real life. Their inner abomination. The monstruosidad within.
Imitators tend to pick the most obvious cool thing about the thing they are imitating and overdo it. SH2 was just stylish as hell with it's heavy-handed symbolism and metaphor so they just wanted to try and do it again. I thought Shattered Memories was pretty decent btw, although the plot twist was dumb.
Because Wester Silent Hill developers don't know shit about the sequel. If you ask them what does "Lobsel Vith" or "Xuchilbara" means, they probably wouldn't know if those entities even belong in the series.
>Because psychological horror is the most relevant and interesting kind of horror
Yeah and every SH game did this perfectly. Harry in SH 1 was not related to the nightmare world he was in but psychological horror in that game was so strong even without the whole "The nightmare comes from you! trope.
So why does every SH after 4 have to be about facing inner demons?
Literally the chief influence Jacob's Ladder.
SH1 and SH3 were comparatively very experimental... especially SH3 which I contend is the best game, because there is elements of inner struggle, but there are also very real external adversaries, and it has a Rosemary's Baby vibe. SH4 is a nice mix of inner struggle and external adversary too, but the game is a little too hamfisted.
Because by SH4 the scale of cult operations was getting goofy.
No, they did not. SH1 and SH3 were decent horror games but shit stories with the psychological elements of the horror being completely lost in the end.
SH2 was the only one that really did it actually well: the horror was not an external threat, but a reflection of something actually horrifying about real world people and events.
I'll ignore SH4 which I never had the patience to finish for now.
But it's completely unsurprising and logical that the post SH4 games attempted to emulate THE ONE THING that made the SH series stand apart from the rest of the industry. It's literally the only thing that separated the series from being just "above-average basic horror game schlock".
>but shit stories with the psychological elements of the horror being completely lost in the end.
Stopped reading right there.
SH3 is the greatest horror game ever made and I will no longer listen to you Homo.
>psychological horror in that game was so strong even without the whole "The nightmare comes from you! trope.
because it came from Alessa instead
>Stopped reading right there.
Ok, I really don't care. It's not like what you think matters at all.
1 was about inner demons too.
The difference was they weren't your inner demons, you were trapped in a little girl's nightmare. In 2 you were trapped in your own nightmare.
>If you ask them what does "Lobsel Vith" or "Xuchilbara" means, they probably wouldn't know if those entities even belong in the series.
>Revelation spitting out all these terms like they came straight off the wiki
Because tom hulett sucks silent hill 2's dick
They all took SH2 as their direct inspiration. Mainly because it didn't take part in any of the "main" story and you can make the MC anyone with any type of problem. Easy canvas.
>But it's completely unsurprising and logical that the post SH4 games attempted to emulate THE ONE THING that made the SH series stand apart from the rest of the industry. It's literally the only thing that separated the series from being just "above-average basic horror game schlock".
Silent Hill has way more going for it than the psychological element of 2. they are masterpieces of art direction and tech, music, atmosphere, pacing of the level design and plot in the case of 1 and 2 (3 and 4 kinda dropped the ball here).
There's no need to exaggerate just to try and get a point across, Silent Hill 1-3 and I'd argue 4 too are far from "above average basic horror game schlock" . All of the Team Silent games are awesome.
That's my point, every SH besides 2 the nightmare is coming for the bad guys, Akessa's nightmares brought by hatred of her mother making strange monsters from a childlike perspective is far more interesting then yet another "Oh my son was dead the entire time and I feel guilty about it."
>SH1 and SH3 were decent horror games but shit stories
Brianlet who likes to be Hollywood spoonfed detected.
SH1 story and plot > SH2 story and plot. Silent Hill 2 is such a fucking overrated and overmemed game, holy fucking shit. It's the BotW of SH games.
>Brianlet who likes to be Hollywood spoonfed detected.
Says the person whose entire existence and capacity to judge different works is derived from "if a lot of people like it it must be bad smart people are always the people who like the less recognized stuff I'm different therefor I'm better than you huehuehue."
No. SH2 is praised more than any of the other SH games because it is actually by far the most interesting and valuable one, narrative-wise. It's that simple.
SH2 has just been meme'd in to popularity desu and it's pretty pathetic when people praise it above SH1.
SH1 is God's gift to this Earth.
>Says the person whose entire existence and capacity to judge different works is derived from "if a lot of people like it it must be bad smart people are always the people who like the less recognized stuff I'm different therefor I'm better than you huehuehue."
Nah, you are dicksucker who likes to put words into ohter people's mouths.
>there are people who actually skip the first game because they think it's too old
>SH2 has just been meme'd in to popularity desu and it's pretty pathetic when people praise it above SH1.
Yes, keep using the word meme'd, that really illustrates the level of argumentation we are dealing with here.
No, it's actually sad when hipsterism reaches a point where things like these retroactive cults existing only to prove superiority by saying something different from other people start to be a big thing.
every time i see that painting it's brighter and brighter. selling japanese horror to the masses was a mistake.
No, what's sad is when secondaries like you, that weren't there, actually think SH2 is the best in the series. When I played SH2 on release, I was fucking disappointed, it's not terrible by any stretch, but it doesn't even come close to SH1's level of quality, that's why SH3 was a sequel to SH1, because everyone, including myself, complained about how much of a disappointment SH2 was.
>N-NOOOOOO! SILENT HILL 2 IS DA BEST BECEUZ REDDIT SAID SO! U SEE ITS ABOUT DE IVEL DEEMONS INSIDE U U WERE DE DEEMONS ALL ALONG AND AND THEN SIMBOLILISM AND STUFF SUCH DEEPFULNES
Everyone has their own personal taste, and if a work has been generally accepted as great and it doesn't fit with someones personal taste they feel like they've been lied to and it's their duty to educate people about the lie or some shit, I don't know. It might come from taking all this shit too seriously (like youtubers that make 30 minute videos analyzing movies and video games and think that makes them an intelligent person).
>When I played SH2 on release, I was fucking disappointed
Because you are a child, and a moron. There is plenty of people who were disappointed by New Vegas after playing Fo3 as their first Fallout game: that does not prove anything.
I've been there: you are just brain dead, or you had completely wrong expectations. Or you are literally just changing your memories in order to fit a more modern narrative that you need today: adjusting the truth to make yourself feel better about your totally unique hipster opinion that is pretty much all that you have in place of your self-esteem.
And honestly, I don't care about any of this. At fucking all. SH2 was the only game in the series that was truly remarkable story-wise. All there of them are good in art direction and music, you can argue that mechanically you may prefer one over the other, or you may happen to have some kind of utterly irrelevant personal emotionally charged memory of one or another which makes you prefer it subjectively:
But in terms of actual story and storytelling, SH2 is literally the only one worth noting.
You are beyond pathetic, kid.
I don't give a fuck about personal taste, there are normative means to evaluate a narrative.
A work can be great and still be a lot worse than other works, Silent Hill 2 is great, I won't pretend for even a second it isn't, it's better than 90% of the horror games released, but it's not as good as Silent Hill 1 or 3, and I'm being 100% honest here, anyone who thinks it is, is a fucking secondary.
Silent Hill 2's story itself is braindead, what makes it good is the telling, it's a horrible story told marvelously, but the thing is, Silent Hill 1 and 3 are great stories told marvelously.
Genuinely, neck yourself.
>Why are the Western Silent Hill games so obsessed with this whole face your inner demons" thing?
Because it's lazy and cliche. Only SH2 did it right, because there was actually effort behind it.
>Silent Hill 2's story itself is braindead,
Yes, you fucking drooling mongoloid. Nothing says "braindead" as a complex psychological analysis of suffering and the various forms it twists human psychology in what is essentially a purely character-driven story.
Nothing says "brain-dead story" like presenting characters caught in deep, terrifying but still completely releatable dilemas, being analyzed from multiple perspectives.
Nothing says brain dead story than a horror story that could be deprived of all of it's supernatural elements and still be completely functional and largely belivable.
Sure, you fucking retard.
>1 was about inner demons too.
Except she was the chosen one to do that. James is a nobody.
take a look at this self-righteous wanker and how angry and aggressive he gets like a child when people disagree with him.
Do you not actually see the hypocrisy of this post?
You're so far up your ass you're eating your meals twice faggot.
Amnesia after doing something horrible is such a basic story it's disgusting, it was done to death 5 decades before videogames even existed, the other stories are some kid being bullied for being fat and being completely unable to handle the bantz so the edgelord faggot shoots a dog, and being raped and beaten as a child so she kills her brother and father.
Wow, so fucking deep, almost as deep as the puddle on my driveway.
every narrative trope has been done to death, the artistry is in the execution and how entertaining/immersive/enthralling they make it, and Silent Hill 2 did it really well. As a consequence it might get overblown or overhyped occasionally, get the fuck over it and don't be contrary just for the sake of it.
>Amnesia after doing something horrible is such a basic story it's disgusting
It's not amnesia, you idiot. It's delusion. It's a story about a person REFUSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE his guilt, thus fabricating a story that makes him avoid facing it.
Jesus Christ you are fucking dumb. Most BASIC aspects of the storytelling got completely lost on you.
>it was done to death 5 decades before videogames even existed,
Yes, because people fabricating false perceptions after doing a terrible things so they can avoid confrontation with the horror of their actions is a human universal thing. In media it is indeed depicted very much from the second psychological fiction started existing.
By your UTTERLY DEMENTED LOGIC, all themes already explored in psychological fiction cannot be done again because it's disguisting to actually revisit key themes of human existence.
God you are a piece of shit. .
>Wow, so fucking deep, almost as deep as the puddle on my driveway.
Seriously.
How can you even live with yourself being this pathetic?
not at all, I was stating a fact I observed. you just literally replied with a "NO U!"
Dude, I like SH2, but people that say SH2 is the only good SH are absolute cancer that should cleanse the Earth of themselves.
Nobody is saying that it is the only good game in the franchise.
People are saying it's the only one notable for it's actual story. Big. Fucking. Difference.
Dude, can you actually read?
The execution still horrible, it's just a guy walking around abandoned places and killing monsters.
>oh but the monsters are physical manifestations of his trauma and guilt!
>oh but he goes into a prison that doesn't even exists, this shows he feels that he is guilty and should be in prison! It's so deep!
There is actually nothing deep about this, it's extremely simplistic. It's so simple that it's the only Silent Hill game the average person can actually understand.
Because SH2 fans hate the demonology and want the town to be a psychiatrist
>psychological horror
You have 5 seconds to explain what this means
>People are saying it's the only one notable for it's actual story
You're literally the only person here saying that, if you want to find other people that agree with you, you'll have better luck on Reddit.
horror that relies on implied imagery or thought processes rather than visceral, in-your-face, monster-based horror.
SH1 is a visceral horror game
SH2 is a psychological horror game
SH3 is a visceral horror game again
For example, the scary parts of Silent Hill 2 are the unknown things that you don't see for yourself or are never told. You need to figure it out for yourself.
Mary is in the trunk the whole game, he probably fucked her corpse after strangling her.
Some of the scariest parts of the game are when all sound stops, even background noise. The fact that REMOVING an already eerie aspect of the game makes it even creepier is amazing.
It's just horror that has some meaning to it, and isn't gore for gore's sake, or violence for violence's sake, or being creepy just to be creepy.
Horror made by your mind.
This is wrong dumbass, SH1 and SH3 are psychological horror games as well, because most of the horror comes from the fact that your imagination is what makes the images you're given scary.
God I fucking hate SH2 faggots.
>that spoiler
James doesn't seem like a sexually aggressive person so it seems like that's just headcanon m8, some pretty perverse headcanon at that.
It was "Confirmed" by Masahiro Ito, Masahiro Ito had absolutely nothing to do with writing the story and has demonstrated in multiple interviews he knows nothing about the story across the 3 games, so yea, it's just retarded headcanon.
>when you go to Alchemilia in 3 and it shots all over 2
*breathes in*
>Alchemilia
Nice bait, someone will bite.
But the Silent Hill experience guys keep saying he is the mastermind behind Silent hill