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Put X and VIII in shit tier and this is correct

put VIII in good tier and we good

FFIV is a 12-14 hour "epic", with a ridiculous amount of death fake-outs.

FFXII is one of the most poorly directed pieces of media ever created. HUGE pacing problems, an irrelevant main character that was an obvious last minute addition to the game, a plot that doesn't know who or what it wants to focus on, and a battle system that literally plays itself, plays like an offline single player MMO and is designed in such a way that you can't even create a functional 'steal then fight' macro/'gambit'. It's literally one of the worst games in the entire series.

I stopped reading there, because I don't care about the rest of your opinion if you think FF12 is god-tier.

Surely you don't think the series' previous combat is better than XII?

Eh. Can't argue with it.
I'd change some things around, but nothing's in shit tier or that shouldn't be.

there are like 7 different words in this pic, are you retarded user

FF IV is a remake of II, and II is not only the first actual Final Fantasy, with a lot of the tropes of the series, it's also the only time the series tried to make the genre evolve.
Althopugh pretty much all games have great audiovisual, only VII (for its story), XII (for the gambits) and XV are good (none great, just good). I, II and III are OK too because the nes couldn't make better turn based games with good combat without a bigger memory cartridge like Fire emblem.
Every single other FF is the typical AWFUL JRPG or MMO, two of the worst genres in existence, completely stagnated in copying Wizardry and Everquest ad nauseam, because the formula became popular and so players lacked the knowledge of better games like Xcom, and although they are supposedly focused on telling a story, all of them are extremely simplistic, cliche and puerile epics, with very badly writing scripts, characters, settings and plots except, again, VII.
No FF is god tier.

this is contrarianism

*Only I and II are OK* my bad, I forgot to say III wasted the bigger memory capacity in doing another Dragon Warrior clone instead of an actual good turn based game like Fire emblem or Famicom Wars, and even lost the evolution in storytelling from Phantasy Star 1 that FF II already had (another proof FFII is a perfect pleb check, only parrots who haven't played it think is one of the worst).

It's having culture instead of being a 18 years old who started playing games with the PS2.
Go play Open Xcom, toee, Jagged Alliance, Front mission, Wizardry 8 and DivOS, then learn about video games history, and you'll see how ignorant and wrong you are right now

I had a really good time with V but holy fuck is it hard, the enemies act too fast and hit hard. Or maybe was it because I set the battle speed on 1 and Active?

I felt FF5 was not hard at all desu

well late-game is crazy but otherwise eh

I mean you put 9 and 10 on the same level.
you don't have much space to work with though, I'll forgive that because it's mof def better than Mediocre tier.

FFX's combat and soundtrack are what put it above mediocre

>it's also the only time the series tried to make the genre evolve.
Sure, but you'd know that was due to having still the original FF team behind it working at their hardest.
By FFIII they already stopped thinking how to make good games and wanted to simply make games that sell, which is why two of biggest contributors to the series went off doing their separate projects following their own ambitions instead.

And if we're going to be totally honest, FFII was more like the first SaGa game more than a FF game, or if you wanna take a different approach, the SaGa series is a FF evolution from an alternate timeline.

4 belongs in good tier
7, 9, and 10 belong in god tier
6 belongs in mediocre tier
8 belongs in shit tier.

FFIV was fine by 1991 standards but it aged terribly. Squaresoft didn't get a good grasp of plot structure until FFV and didn't figure out a non-stupid way to switch party members until Chrono Trigger/FFVII.

FFIV is really just a more colorful NES game. Some of the sprites are ripped right out of FFIII. It just fixed the problem of not having save points mid-dungeon and took FFII's route of giving the characters set personalities and forced different jobs onto them.

the unfinished mess of 12 and the barebones game 4 are in god tier instead of 6 and 9

6 actually kind of sucks in the World of Ruin portion. The main antagonist disappears and you're stuck playing party member Pokemon for the rest of the game.

second half isn't as good as the first yeah, still better than 4. Only good thing about 4 compared to 6 was that it was more challenging

>FFIV in god-tier

You're alright OP

Whenever I rank FF4 god tier I'm referring to the DS version. I don't know if that's hypocritical or something but that's probably the best remake I've ever played

Fixed it for you.

What games do you think are good?

FFVII doesn't actually get enough credit for what it actually does while getting buried under superficial praise. It's weirdly both overrated and underrated at the same time. It brilliantly deconstructs every JRPG cliche that existed up until then. Plucky big boobed martial artist? She's actually the demure romantic waiting for her knight in shining armor. The cute white mage? She's actually manipulative and street wise and uses her looks to her advantage. The hero himself? Actually just a random mook. Really great stuff.

>It brilliantly deconstructs every JRPG cliche that existed up until then.
it was a watered down xenogears in this sense

FF7's story I have no qualms with, it's a great story that while melodramatic at times does do a lot of interesting things.

Its gameplay though is atrocious. Materia is a boring ass system and all you fight in that game are boring ass enemies who require no strategy to beat.

How can it be a watered down version of something it predates?

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the script of xenogears was submitted before

Except FF7 came first

No Pokemon game is good.

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But was never released until it was changed into its own thing, right?

My biggest beef with materia is that it's a pain in the ass to equip and switch around. The game being easy is actually a godsend for that reason.

What cliches did Xenogears deconstruct?

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God tier: 4, 7, 9
Good tier: 3, 5, 10, 12
Mediocre tier: 1, 6, 13
Shit tier: 8, 15
Kawazu tier: 2

It was never released so it doesn't count

I'll be fair then.. I started FF 7 because of pokemon style of combat and enjoyed it up to the part you had to do stuff yourself

xenogears had changes to the original script, but the original script was meant to be the original FF7

>A long long ago, back in 1994, I wrote a story about a young soldier of fortune with multiple personalities. Takahashi proposed the plan to our boss. Though the plan was rejected because it was too sci-fi for RPG, the boss kindly gave us an advice "Why don't you make it into a new game?".

home town destruction, amnesia, childhood love interest, killing god are some examples

>FF12 is god tier
opinion disregarded

The original Final Fantasy is a good game.

That still doesn't prove FF7 ripped it off, if that's what you're implying.

>home town destruction, amnesia, childhood love interest, killing god are some examples

How did Xenogears deconstruct any of those?

Really any FF game pre FFV is going to look balls retarded to someone who's never played them before but most of them were great for their time.

>FF4 above V and VI

That alone disregards your list.

I actually really like Final Fantasy 2. How many bullets do I need to cure my autism?

FFII's characters and story are great by NES standards. It's the fucktarded gameplay that screws the game over.

by working off assumptions and subversion

Find a flaw

Unfortunately Square Enix doesn't recognize any of what made FFVII good and warped it beyond recognition. So we end up with a purity pureness version of Aeris because they don't understand their own game.

How did it subvert the home town destruction?

Good tier :
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 15

>DQ and M&L not in casual when they have the same difficulty/accessibility as FF

this is one of the only good FF tier lists i've seen. props
>you can't even create a functional 'steal then fight' macro/'gambit'
fucking retard

How is fucking Shin Megami Tensei under "JRPG fan" while Shining Force and Phantasy Star are "weird guy" and "dangerously otaku"? They were some of the best selling games on the Genesis.

Switch X and IV and I can agree with it

Introduction of the enemies via raiding the town and ends up with the main character destroying it instead, it doesn't set up a revenge motivation

I blame Nomura for that, as well as the flanderization of Cloud and literally everyone else in Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts. And to think this man is being given complete control of the remake...

>Chrono Trigger
>Bandwagoner
I was there!

You get the fuck outta here.

Put your god tier in the mediocre tier and I agree.

>FF XII that high
hell naw nigga! I don't even mean the story itself while there's much to say about it, the game itself is garbage. Convoluted takes all its meaning with it. The UI, over use of instances and shit gameplay mechanics just make me wonder what the hell went through their minds. Not to mention the OST is crap in comparison to the rest of the games.

Nomura went insane when the PS2 came out. Some people do great work when they have a boss but go nuts when they become the boss.

>all the good games are in bandwagoner
found the hipster

>if it's popular it's casual and bad

I never understood the hate for FFII. What's the deal?

You have autism.

>12 is god tier
My. Fucking. Nigger.

Foe: HP=100% > Steal
Best you can do, really. Unless your DPS is doing shit damage, you should have killed your first target before your stealer moves to the second. Stealer has to be leader, though, but I make sure all my characters learn Steal, even in TZA.

Yeah this, I found that out on my own. FF12's system is great.

For me, its the retarded MP grinding. They fixed swap spam for HP in remaked, but not MP