Honor means nothing to a corpse, Saurfang. You have the luxury of underestimating death...

>Honor means nothing to a corpse, Saurfang. You have the luxury of underestimating death, but it is something with which I am intimately familiar.
>Maybe you don't care if your people die so long as it is honorable, but to me, this Horde is worth saving. Anyone who disagrees does not deserve to stand among us.
>So die your warrior's death, High Overlord Saurfang. It means little to me. Perhaps I will raise your broken body to serve me once more. Or perhaps you will have a chance to say hello to your son.
What did she mean by this?

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>What did she mean by this?
Literally "FOR THE HORDE"

>For the Horde
>Actively belittle and alienate one of the main members of it until he's literally in an Alliance prison, and instead of following the people breaking him out he stays behind and demands an audience with Anduin

>he
>him
What did user mean by this?

>commits a warcrime that makes theramore look like a microaggression
>only Saurfang has a problem with it
>doesn't cleave her apart for insulting his son and threatening him with the same fate
>after he threatened to murder Garrosh dead on the spot as Warchief after talking about why he "doesn't like pork"

Fucking hell.

There's people who think he stays behind in Stormwind because he wants to negotiate with Anduin and either go neutral or defect

I'm getting more and more upset with this new story for BfA. So far it's an entire shit show; I haven't bothered to look myself but apparently Sylvanas just decides to burn Darnassus because war.
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Time and time again the leaders we get for the Horde are shit, the story is shit, anything and everything revolving around Sylvanas is fucking shit. We get Vol'jin for like a day and he dies, thanks Blizzard, fuck you.+

>Elf character gets more than 2 seconds of dialogue
>Instantly becomes unbearable to listen to

They should've just added all elves to the subrace category because its a more appropriate description

Too bad it's already confirmed Horde spring him and the daughter of Rastakhan out from prison and he goes right back to serving them.

>One of the three Horde that aren't absolute faggots is going blue
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First, like 20 minutes of the Horde starting quest for BfA has you going in to spring him out but he decides to stay and instead we take the Princess and instead of going back to Sylvanas to tell her the news we set off to Zandalar without any support or help.

Who are the other two?

Oh. I'm definitely wrong then.

Carry on.

New Tauren head as far as I know. Everyone else on the Horde are absolute shit and edgy evil

>niggers in Warcraft
What? There's only one I can think of offhand and he's a leftover from vanilla.

Baine?

>implying Sylvanas isn't going to be a mid-expac raid boss
I've been waiting to (canon) slay this evil whore for years. Blizzard better not fuck this up.

Sylvanas went to shit the minute they changed her voice actor.

Why does he wear the headdress?

I've always liked Lor'themar. He seems like he's always stuck with a shitty situation all the time.

>I want horde to live, I value their lives
>Go die, it means little to me
What did she mean by this?

jej

Nope, the entirety of black humans live in secret in STV apparently.
Not sure why people are so triggered by it ether.
>Vrkyul are based off of Titan constructs
>Said constructs come in varying colors of metals, ores/minerals
>Ontop of this WoW humans were given the Curse of Flesh
>Implying a Curse can't mutate and change, especially over the course of ten thousand years of breeding

Even he goes full retard and forces some of his people back to the Alliance

Why would Aiden Gillen flood a desert?

HE WOULDN'T LAST ONE DAY IN THE SCARCH

Black people are copper golems?

Lor'themar and the entirety of Blood Elves lost any and all of my respect from what they pulled in MoP.
They should all jump off a cliff for all I care. The true Horde, as far as it matters to me are the Orcs, Taurens, and Trolls

I thought WoW niggers were from the desert in Kalimdor

The Horde is a fucking mess, wouldn't you want to jump ship?

In Wow; basically. It's not necessarily said ether way but you can clearly say that they are based off of bronze/brown/black metals and ores (Onyx).
I don't know why it triggers so many people but it's not such a far stretch given the properties and method of creating Titan constructs.

Isn't Sylvanas basically just a mini hitler? Just look at Gilneas, invaded them for no reason and gassed them.

>wait until we get the absolute worst possible warchief for a horde v alliance expansion
>kill pvp servers and make a hop in pvp system that nobody will do
>hop in pvp system designed to be 100% ignored until rogues and ranged are top tier geared so they can go around one shotting everything that isnt equally geared once they toggle it on
>make saurfang model coded to be able to wear gear for the most part but wont let orc players use this character model and instead only give them a straight back
>rts like game mode where you warcraft rts as a single character
>make it co op vs ai only
Fucking
Why

So, here's, from what I know has happened. I was mildly curious because I'm not white in real life so I did some research and asked some lore buffs.
WC to WC3 and before WotLK; going by the RPG books and anything else we had on humans, they were from the deserts of Kalimdor (Uldum) and a number of human port cities. This was retconned and remove when WotLK came about and we learned about the Vrkyuls later in Cataclysm we learn that humans didn't go into Uldum until around Cata. After that they removed all brown and tan skins tones from Humans during WoD (Blizzards reasoning is due to new graphical engines or some nonsense like that), basically a vague reason for it. Then the book Traveler came out and suddenly all the blacks live in secret in Black Panther-tier hidden cities; which don't show up in game at all or exist outside that book.

>holding a spear like that
>to stab with it you would expose your gut
>as opposed to the other way around where you can lower it, raise it, swing it, shift posture with it
>women

I want to see greenmen made of Saronite

>Hitler shows up one day and starts gassing all the furries for no reason.
That sounds wonderful.

They could have legitimately made humans far more interesting with their ancestory in WoW. Jade skin coloring Asian-like humans, Copper/Bronze/Onyx skin coloring, so on and so forth.

Both Jaina and Sylvanas are gonna die as faction exclusive raids, mark my words

>sylvanas just gets resurrected by the Val'kyre

For what purpose?

>faction exclusive raids
There's no way Blizzard would put that much effort into something, but you can imagine the colossal shit-flinging fuck fest that would come out of something like that?

user I dont think she has many of those left

Maybe 2? I dont remember

I really fucking hope Sylvanas dies, the only reason she's been alive for this long is quite literally "Girl Power xD". She should have died in WotLK when she offed herself, everything after that and to this point and time has been pointless and atrocious writing from Blizzard.
I'm thinking Sylvanas because the Loa of Deaths wife or something similar to that. Apparently in the BfA Alpha it is VAGUELY hinted at that the Loa of Death could be Vol'jins father.

Im just spitballing, but Id make mythic mode cross faction with exclusive gear for the hell of it

TWIST ENDING
Sylvanas possesses Anduin and becomes the most hated Alliance leader ever

Daval Prestor all over again!

But shes already dead.

it's still funny to me that she got nothing peronnel kid'd by a low level guy

I mean, she could have died in WOTLK, but that would have left the forsaken is a fairly sad state. They have few other notable figures able to lead them and keep them relevant.

You're right about the shit writing tho.

So basically she's arthas with a vagina

Fuck no. Arthas, at his very lowest, still had some honor, see his duels with Illidan, for example.
He also genuinely saw K'T as a friend.
Sylvanas is worse than the LICH FUCKING KING by pretty much all metrics.

>muh honor

She does not truly care about the horde. She needs the horde to help keeping her alive. Her greatest fear is to die because there is nothing but eternal silence, darkness and emptiness waiting for her in the afterlife.

>never really got into Warcraft as a young'n
>kinda follow WoW over the years (how people like it, why people subscribe/unsubscribe that sort of thing)
>get really curious about WoW when the whole Nostaulrius debacle went down
>try vanilla out on another private server
>like it a lot
>play through Warcraft 3 for the first time
>holy shit my childhood was an empty husk
>play through Warcraft 2, try a little retail (Legion) on a friend's account, watch a longplay of Warcraft 1
>go full autist and research all the lore I didn't experience myself
>think it's really fucking cool
>but also really fucking retarded
I feel like I've lived and died in a matter of months, I don't know how you true fans who've stuck with the series for two decades feel. Blizzard writing makes me want to kill myself sometimes but there's so much interesting lore and characters to get attached to.

>Horde finally has a warchief who isnt effected by shitty Alliance tier ideals like kindness, honor, humanity, etc.
>Finally a warchief who actually, you know, tries to win the war because she is dependant on the Horde
>This is somehow a bad thing

All you Sylvanas haters are just smelly nerds

Both the alliance and the horde value honor, the undead are just a bunch of fucking asshole dead humans

Pretty sure dead humans have caused more suffering and chaos than any other non-godlike figure in WoW

races dont need race-specific leaders anymore. trolls havent had one this expansion and it isnt looking to change, the LF dranei and void elves dont have a specific leader, pandaren have practically no leader either.

>orcs didnt know about honor before muh opening of the dark portal
>muh garrosh didnt nuke theramore to try and kick the alliance out of kalimdor

Name a better race-class combo than Troll-Monk

the undead are slightly different in that literally everyone hates them. Without leadership the forsaken would gladly be wiped out by the horde and alliance to permanently remove the scourge from aezeroth. The undead need a leader to convince the horde they are a necessary ally in Lorderon.

Literally Void Elf Mage in PVP.

All draenei are gay for Velen, and I thought Alleria/that mage guy from Silvermoon were the Void Elf leaders. No one gives a shit about pandas though.

Are the black panther cities in kul tiras or the new place we're going to? Kinda funny I played a black/brown human back in WOW 05-06 and had fucking diddly squat for lore and now they've got it.

WOW suffered severely from the fantasy practice of using species to represent cultures, chiefly when it comes to humans. This was really bad in earlier games/releases of WOW, it's slowly being worked on here and there. Trolls above all are the main exception as they have a dizzying volume of ethnic groups or nations (not states, nations as in groups of people). Orc tribes from what I remember way back in WC2/WC3/Early WOW didn't really differ dramatically but I think that's changed. Tauren have too. Dwarves had the threefold division but the wildhammer or whatever they were called were thrown aside and forgotten.

With elves you have culture tied explicitly to sub-race/race. Understandable for geographically limited High elf/Blood elf and Nightborne, rather ridiculous for night elves who earlier on inhabited an entire continent. With Humans it's just fucking plain awful. Until recently the only cultural difference is Dalaran were mages and everyone else was the same milquetoast fantasy with zero difference between Lordaeron and Stormwind culturally. Now you've got Kul Tiras and pre worgen Gilneas but it's still rather abysmal. Instead of Asian people you have Pandas. Instead of Aztecs or Spear-chuckers you have trolls. Instead of norsemen you have the quasi human Vyrkul.

Warhammer may have forgotten any humans outside of Bretonnia and the empire exist Chaosified Kurgan and Hung and Norscans don't count but at least they existed. Never liked that about Warcraft but I am a boringfag that likes humies.

If I do pick up WOW again I am rather interested in the chadtrolls though.

Dead elves too. Basically, undead are evil. That should have been obvious to everyone from the get-go, but apparently not.

You need to approach it as an even dumber version of Warhammer (Fantasy or 40k). Don't get too wrapped up in detailed theories or speculation either, because Blizzard gives no fucks for continuity or consistency.

Basically, enjoy the ride.

how is putting human asians or human aztecs more "creative" than making every human culture into a fantasy race? I get it that this way humans are bland and without identity but I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult to give the humans of that setting a unique flavour

We are getting new Kul'Tiras humans and some new possible black humans but so far it's the usual Caucasian appearances. Traveler is about a boys adventure through STV where he meets all these black people.
I can't help but think, in the back of my mind that Blizzard purposely made it so that there couldn't any other race/skin types for humans outside of white officially.
it's whatever though. Human males still have two dark black skins BUT human females don't have any brown skins anymore or black skins like they did in Vanilla, those have been removed.
Here's the darkest you can get as a human female now.

I find it hilarious how blatantly Blizzard is with their "diversity idealism" in WoW.

the tauren dont hate them, in fact its canon that theyre the closest race to them. look at why the undead were able to join the horde, literally the only reason thrall even considered it was because or Cairne. Garrosh and Voljin both understood the strategic importance of keeping the undead around because they controlled about a third of the eastern kingdoms. the only forsaken undead that the horde leaders seem to hate is sylvanas herself, and no one else.
>all draenei are gay for Velen
yeah thats why i said specific. theyre technically a different type of draenei, so they wouldnt necessarily have Velen represent them, it would be more appropriate if someone from the lightforged like Turalyon were to be their leader. its never comfirmed that the alleria and the silvermoon void elf are the void elf leaders though, theyre just responsible for bringing them into the alliance. not many people care about pandas (on US servers, horde pandas are about as popular as goblins with both being 4% each of max level characters. on alliance, no one care about pandas; theyre only 2% of max level characters. even gnomes are more popular), but theyre still playable and had a whole expansion based around them, the only race so far to have that kind of treatment and then subsequently be almost completely ignored ever since.

Not the same user here but some players, who aren't white would like to play and see other NPC characters or semi-important people in the Alliance Humans to look like them. I mean they literally took out a majority of varying skin colors in Cataclysm then again in WoD.
What's that user? You want to play and see sorry, Humans are for Caucasians, if you want to play as a nigger you have to play Trolls or Orcs on the Horde side! What's that you want to make a chink human? Hah, you have pandas

How the fuck did niggers out-nigger the Gurubashi in Stranglethorn?

oh yeah, if youre interested about it, i got the numbers from realmpop. i checked for EU servers too, and pandas on both factions are about the same in popularity as the US

THEY

I wish the horde would go full villain

You have a point, I phrased my complaint poorly. Ultimately my view is simply that I like the kind of exotic and exciting diversity of a Hyboria. Don't take me for a "black knight in europe" kinda guy. I mean the very opposite of progressive faux diversity where they try and make something look like 2018 new York city. I'd rather have black humans who were in Uldum from time immemorial as opposed to black humans who randomly appear in Kul'Tiras or Dalaran as if coming out dark as fuck is like having red hair when the rest of your family is brunette.

So past that, it's more justifications for my opinion and preference. That being said, one of my thoughts is that it makes races seem very stale and limited when you do the "race = mono culture" angle. Think about how trolls have so many cultures in so much of Azeroth. This means you will often encounter them in any number of expansions or content or storytelling, albeit usually sidelined in favor of the orcs. It means you have more flexibility in the kind of characters that can hail from that group, as well. This is above all a pain in the ass for players/roleplayers/writers. You can't have a Viking human, that's orcish or Vyrkul. You can't have a tribal or barbarian human, that's night elf/wildhammer/tauren/trollish/orcish. You can't have a China/Samurai/Tibet Human outside of having them show up and pull a lawrence of arabia. You can't have an Arabian nights human either, can't really have a highlander human because that's dwarf territory.

I can't seem to understand the problem with what you said

I get what you're saying user, the backstory for humans in WoW is extremely limited and limiting. The way they're set up the lore truly makes the world seem smaller and they've tied their hands, really.

She has a point even though she's becoming the bad guy.

However people that defend the things she do.. their first argument is that the Undead she raises have self control but then she says shell raise this dude to serve her?

King's honor, friend.

I know the guy who took this photo. Any particular reason for choosing it?

What you can have is a Lordaeron, Stormwind, Dalaran or Kul Tiras human. The rest are smoldering ruins and functionally have zero difference to Lordaeron and Stormwind. In turn, Lordaeron and Stormwind have zero difference beyond one is a ruin and the other is not. Not even a Dragon Age style "one is stuffy, aristocratic and hierarchical (French) and one is egalitarian, rough and tumble and uncouth (English)". That's kind of basic bitch minimum for rivals in a fantasy setting - Aquilonia was French and Nemedia was German after all. In that Lordaeron/Stormwind/forgettables melange all you've got is knight, wizard, priest, rogue-bandit. A knight of one is no different than a knight of the other. No real discernable difference the way you have between Empire/Bretonnia or Ferelden/Orlais or Aquilonia and Nemedia or North and Lannister/Tyrell.

You'll say correctly they can play other races for those features. That's definitely true. Though I think only with alliance races is blizzard offering the means to much more practically take advantage of that - now you can be an dark iron dwarf or a canadian tauren and so on.


Yeah. That ship has sailed for WOW and it ultimately only hurts those of us who are boring and prefer humans (like me). It clearly has a compelling story and setting for people, it's just always been the weak spot of wow lore for me. If I'm going to have to be a basic bitch fairytale fantasy human then at least give me compelling and intriguing ones. A more acute Titan origin to Humans might have done that.

allied races, not alliance.

She has a point, but it annoys me that it was her who said this. Before Legion (or arguably even during it) she mostly served her and the Forsaken's own interests, then suddenly she does a complete 180 degree turn personality-wise and becomes an altruistic and caring leader who wants what's best for the Horde even if it means losing Lordaeron and all the territory she fought hard for during all of Cataclysm.

>altruistic and caring leader
>tells Saurfang to fuck off and die

Quite the contrary, she tells him that trying to kill himself for muh honour would be egotistical and useless to the interest of the Horde.

>MUH SKIN COLORS

Fuck off lefty pol, you've been shitting up the board for far to long

Because Blizzard had no idea people would react so poorly to garrosh taking over. Like fuck, at least they could remove her Valkyre thing with Garrosh, but that would take effort. I agree that the MUH HONOR thing that Saurfang is egotistical, but Blizzard should have done better to make her less selfish in the game before trying to make her sound logical

She means that if saurfang wants to do stupid shit let him. But her main concern is of the horde people
Are you a fucking retard

Sylvanas is corrupted by an old god.
She jumped off the top of ICC to khs and was impaled on a saronite spike. Saronite is the solidified blood of the old god Yogg'Saron.

Really, there was a Cyberpunk thread maybe three weeks ago talking about the new tweet. People started dumping images.

Cool, just curious. Picture was taken at Dundas Square in Toronto by Lucan Coutts if you're interested in seeing more like that.

Rexxar for warchief. Too bad they gave him barely any development since wc3 outside of "help muh burdie" In wod. A half orc half ogre hybrid should be insanely op

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>"Indeed. Sometimes I fell that I have already died twice."
>"At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming."

That'd be neat. I figure she's just terrified of the afterlife now that she knows she goes to rapeland run by the daddies of the old gods.

>We all joked thrall would be green jesus
>turns out its tits jesus

Who is defending Sylvanas? She starts this war with the burning of that tree and people are defending whatever excuse she gives when the obvious reason is because Greymane destroyed her source of immortality.

Sylvanas is the one who has actually died twice though, and Alleria is the racial leader of the Void Elves. They're not gonna speedrun killing a race's leader.

I don't really see why she would burn Teldrassil just to spite Genn, even if it houses his scratching post.

>Horde
>an original cast of unlikely species forced together for necessity
>get Elves in BC
>a bunch of ex Alliance shitters jump ship for Elves
>Horde literally becomes a shadow of its former self
>now it's lead by an Undead Elf

Fucking cancer, Garrosh did nothing wrong. Elves were ALL a mistake.

Sylvannas has already died at least 3 times tho

She's right.

It's better to live another day and fight another battle instead of just bullrushing and getting fucked over.

This is why the Iron Horde fucking failed.

>turns out its tits
I see nothing wrong with this

>world of warcraft
>WOW FUCK THIS WARMONGERING BITCH SHE STARTED A WAR AND THAT'S EVIL
>world of warcraft
>I CAN"T BELIEVE GARROSH IS SUCH A WARMONGERING IDIOT WHAT THE HELL WHY IS HE ATTACKING THE OPPOSING FACTION'S CITIES
>world of warcraft
>Mists of Pandaria was the best expansion, it had both factions working together to overcome a giant amalgam of rudeness and bad feelings
>world of warcraft

>We take this azerite and use it to conquer Kalimdor.
>We build the greatest empire ever known; one that is untouchable against the Alliance.
>With the seas parting our lands, rather than mere borders, we can live and prosper without conflict.
>That is how you ensure the survival of the Horde for the next hundred years, $n."