He killed children

He killed children.

>Having empathy towards a bunch of ones and zeroes

I don't think they were ever implied to be kids though. Like what kid brings a revolver?
>inb4 an american one

When you have to protect an entire nation some times hard choices must be made. Just one child letting the humans know where the monster world is could spell Armageddon for them

To save gazillions

The same way he "saved" kids?

Wasn't it supposed to be a toy gun?

It said it was an empty gun.

>having empathy towards a bunch of ACGT

Yeah but at least Toriel scolded him

Alphys is responsible for fucking everything, untold suffering across countless timelines mutiliating innocents and tearing apart their bodies and minds and ruining their families, and gets off scott free because she is a QUIRKY LESBIAN WEEB XD!

I bet that stupid lizard cunt murdered Gaster to get his job

I don't care that he killed kids, but I fucking hate the 'bumbling dad' trope.

Have you even played the game?
It was a gun without actual bullets. But we have no idea if it was a toy gun or not though

That wasn't Asgore's reasoning, though. Asgore was lying to his people, giving them a fake prophecy about needing seven souls to escape the barrier when he only needed one.

You mean the game where the monsters invaded mankind got the shit pushed fucking hard and put back in their holes, nearly to the point of extinction? Yeah I I've played it. Killing kids is wrong no matter how you cut it, but you can't always have clean hands when you're a leader.

It's not a toy.

So did I

Everybody wants to get rid of the demon and her army of the dead, but you decide to kill a child and suddenly I'M the villain

imagine being a bored shota and raping a mature mommy monster haha

Oblivious of consequences = innocent. It is possible, that your actions right here and now cause million lives to go worse, butterfly effect and shit. If you follow your logic, then you would be obliged to take the blame for every smallest negative consequence of your actions, now and in the future. But you dont. Because you only blame people, that could reasonably expect things to go wrong, and still did it. Injecting determination into a random object seems like a nice idea, considering how things worked out with Mettaton. Only with the power of hindsight you can say, that it was a bad idea

This is less justified because there are like 4 different ways to peacefully remove the demon.

some were prob young adults between 15 and 20

If the average child is stronger than a monster theres no fucking way a adult loses to these shitheads.

my guess is the king killed them in different ways too. like maybe he poisoned one or tricked another one into falling off a cliff/getting crushed.

>You mean the game where the monsters invaded mankind got the shit pushed fucking hard and put back in their holes, nearly to the point of extinction
I'm not sure what game are you talking about. Nothing like that ever happened in Undertale. Are you trying to troll people only having a very loose knowledge of the actual plot, user?

>brings an actual gun to fight a race that is inferior to humans in combat ability even compared to a child
>dies
what a loser lmao

I always thought the residents killed those people under Asgore's orders. Like the Browshirts or some shit.

What, she knew what she did was wrong, did you not go to the lab and read the journal entrys? Alphys knew EXACTLY what was going on

too bad he didn't kill you

So does Planned Parenthood but you don't see them in jail do you?

Don't give me that shit Alistair
There are no innocents

They fucking should be

My theory is fairly complex.

We know from Toriel, that all kids had the power of RESET. This comes from one of the lines of her dialogue when you RESET on her ("I always have this feeling of dejavu around kids"). But if all other fallen humans could RESET, how could they possibly die?

Well, my idea is, that every single human, fallen into the underground, was way more determined, than anyone else. Their level of actual determination was high enough to persist after death. However, as we can see with Frisk/Chara/Flowey, it takes the highest amount of determination, and overflow of it, to actually SAVE. Frisk cannot save normally, he needs a view, that overflows him with determination. At the same time, Flowey, when he gets the power of 7 souls, can save at any point of time. Monsters we meet cannot see the save points, and red souls have special powers, and that allows us to safely assume, that all the other fallen humans, but Frisk (and maaaaybe Chara, but unlikely) could not actually SAVE.

Let's imagine, that the first and only SAVE point had been at the very start — at the flowerbed in the Ruins. After that, every death will move you back to that point. Imagine that you are mostly a normal kid. How fast will you just give up? How many times do you need to die, before you had enough, before you just say "okay" and let it go? When will you stop trying?

And this ties nicely with the whole determination mechanic. The Determination - is the will to go on, to continue. A determined creature simply cannot die... unless the determination runs off, and you give up.

This sort of makes lives of Sans, Toriel and Asgore — creatures that can somewhat feel the timelines changing — even more miserable, as they have probably killed, or have seen deaths of each kid multiple times.

He ran out of bullets

>my theory is fairly complex-

Frisk could literally fight the entire underground with a toy knife. Even if he ran out he could use it as a bludgeoning instrument. Have you ever held a gun before? That shit's heavier than it looks.

That could ruin the finish on your gun though.

If humans were so much stronger than monster how the hell did they have such a massive war without slaughtering every one of them?

I mean, Frisk alone was able to kill off the leftovers

Frisk is a special kid

> not having any suspension of disbelief to enjoy a story

what's it like being miserable all the time

probably bad

Asgore isn't portrayed as a bumbling dad though, that's just fanon. He's a little softhearted but he's a long shot from Homer Simpson levels of cartoon dad.

Harry Truman dropped two atomic bombs on major population centers and killed around 20000 japanese. No one gives him greif about that.

The moment he asks about anime was the moment I realized I hated him.

How does it feel to be objectively wrong?

Reminder that Chara did LITERALLY nothing wrong !

Gay as fuck

Reminder that in English there is no extra space before punctuation marks

Does Special Agent Cooper know about this?

She didn't know the corpses would turn into goopy ghost monsters until after it started happening.

HEEEEELLLLLOOOOOO GRANDMA

She tried to murder an entire village of people by manipulating a 10 year old boy.

they were meanie anyway and deserve to die.

I kinda just assumed the kids died on their way to him and that's why you find their items throughout the journey.

Asgore "Blonde hair, blue eyes and white fur" Dreemurr did nothing wrong.

Unless it’s an entire village populated by gestapo I find that very hard to justify. The only real merit to dindu chara is that she was stopped before she could actually commit a crime.

English is a gay language anyway.

>crying over video game stories
1st world problems tier faggot shit

And too muzukashii for u

The Quickening isn't real no matter how much you believe in it.

>what is self defense

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...To save bildren

So are most pieces of media made past 1963 but if I were to stop consuming propaganda and only play “pure” games I would have like 2 games.

>chara before the game was driven to the point where she willingly jumped into a pit known to everyone to lead to certain death
>immediately proceeds to try and murder her home village as soon as she found a way to get power
what did they do

ok so chara falls down into the underground
he becomes friends with asriel and gets adopted
but chara is evil for some reason and decides to kill himself so he can merge souls with asriel to become a god; this happens
then asriel picks up chara's body and goes through the barrier because he's now got a human soul
gets to village, humans see the dead chara body, fatally wound asriel, who retreats underground
so he dies
but somehow his soul gets transferred to flowey? and flower was just a flower alphys put determination into?
i miss how flowey = asriel and why asriel comes back but then flowey is still there?
something about that never made sense to me
also don't know how chara just comes back, seems like bullshit because would chara's body have decomposed by then

Tell her that Sup Forums hates her favorite game.

get a life loser

seek mental help

When asriel died his dust was scattered across the flower bed. If you remember in Snowdin ine of the mpcs says that when monsters die instead of burials they spread their ashes onto their favorite thing so that their escense becomes a part of it.

I spent an autistic amount of time and research on this game.

Asriel dies, his dust is scattered along the flowers, and one of the same flowers gets determination injected into him, turning it into a soulless Asriel-flower-thing.
Asriel comes back, loses all of the souls that he absorbed, and turns back into Flowey.
Is it that hard to follow?

There's only like 60 monsters in the entire Underground, bro.

imagine being this autistic

is flowey a combo of both asriel and chara's souls? why does flowey remain evil if asriel returns? wouldn't flowey just lose his souls because asriel is reincarnated?

dunno if dumb questions, it just seems weird to me that both flowey and asriel exist and both are evil, seems like one or the other should appear

Fuck is this the undertale equivilant of barneyfag?

pls stop wasting ips

no really, get a life

Flowey is asriel but as a result of not having a soul is rendered a sociopath/someone incapable of feeling empathy. That’s why he’s an asshole. I don’t know where chara fucked off to though.

She allowed those children to move on into the rest of the Underground unsupervised which thus left Asgore no choice but to kill them lest the underground lose faith in him as a monarch which would also lead to a great depression, just because she didn't want to confront Asgore or make herself known to the public again, but it's completely justified because "muh goat mom" and literally no one calls her out on this.

find a new hobby. being an annoying cunt isn't working out for you

My theory is that Chara is the narrator
Think about it

moron

...

go away anytime bud

None of the items from the kids can be found anywhere in Asgore's castle implying that they never reached his castle and we're most likely killed by other monsters before they can reach him. Undyne afaik killed one of them.

You fucking IDIOT
How do you not realize the pattern by now
He replies to everyone who replies to him

>having empathy for a bunch of atoms connected to each other

Ulillillia is a very happy and well-adjusted person

THIS

Shoshon knows best.

I've never played Undertale but why do people still discuss implications of the story? It seems like every thread this Chara character did something different. Did Toby make the ending ambiguous or is it just autists sperging out?

Uli turned into a turbo-normie. Fucking traitor.

He was probably a threat even with the empty gun, but he didn't have Frisks grace of being able to reload saves, so the moment he fucked up, he was dead for good.

If you go all the way back to the begining room of tge game asriel will be standing there and explain who chara is and what she did.

Even humans know mercy.

>we want to purge your kind from this world but we don’t want to be dicks about it

fuck i should have said after you beat the game

Flowey didn't start out as an asshole. He did everything he could possibly do in the game, save everyone kill everyone, befriend everyone, until he started seeing other monsters no longer as sentient beings but instead as functions

>go to war because you're afraid of what the other side is going to do
>war is such a slaughterfest that you realize that the other side was never really a threat at all
>but you've already killed most of them, you guys can't live together anymore
>segregation is the only option

Children can be easily replaced.

Literally the only character who isn't at fault for anything is Papyrus. Everyone else in this game either tries to murder you, or commits a bunch of moral atrocities and get away with it by the end.

>and literally no one calls her out on this.
Who would?
-Asgore the spineless cuck.
-Sans trying to get that goat pussy.
-Papyrus the retard.
-Undyne loyal to the royal line.
-Alphys blaming herself for everything.

>but it's completely justified because "muh goat mom"
No, not really. The game isn't justifying her actions. It allows the player to forgive her or not.

>no undertale spin off starting a cowboy with a gun

EAT SHIT NIGLET


STAWP POASTING


LAWGIC STATUS: TRAPPED


UNDERTALE IS KIKE PROPAGANDA


CHARA DID NOTHING WRONG