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Piracy is still a crime though - because if you could make copies of cars, then car manufacturers would go out of business.

Hard work should be rewarded, which is why intellectual property law exists. To protect the hard work of creators, musicians, video game developers, etc.

>Hard work should be rewarded

That's not how the world works and never will.

>Hard work should be rewarded, which is why intellectual property law exists.

Literally who the fuck cares?
I just like free shit.

Hello, reddit.

Why is Sup Forums the only board that bitches and whines about piracy?

>Hard work should be rewarded, which is why intellectual property law exists.

Because Sup Forums is one of the largest boards and thus has a larger normie population than others.

Also you can't pirate vidya nearly as easily as you can music or television or even comics really, it's usually much more involved, thus people take to justifying that they've paid money.

Or that's the common spout anyway, I think people just want something to argue about.

Should it still be a crime if the IP’s owner went out of business and didn’t sell it off before they went under (thus ensuring that it’s stuck in copyright limbo forever, thanks to Disney continually lobbying Congress for extensions)? What about if the owner of the IP is still around but just doesn’t make it available for you to legally purchase (either in your region or at all)? What if there’s a tangled mess of rights that ensures that no one can legally make it available for you to purchase, even if they want to?

Piracy is worse than murder. Might sound extreme but when you think about it how much money is someone's life worth? Depends who but anywhere from 40,000 to 2 million right. If you pirate something you are causing much larger losses to a product worth a lot more. Nothing justifies piracy. You might as well kill yourself if you ever pirate.

That would be true except that you are not just copying, you are modifying the original product to work without a license.

I mean, we were or are still pirates at some point in our lives, this kind of images fool no one but the people who made them.

Tough shit. You can manage without.

>What about if the owner of the IP is still around but just doesn’t make it available for you to legally purchase (either in your region or at all)?
Yeah it's his product if he doesn't want to sell it in your region you should respect his wishes

IP laws can be fucking stupid and don't always work to support the original artists, like most other laws greedy cunts exploit it where they can. That said all the faggots who replied to this that don't think that hard work should be rewarded should go fuck themselves and work their shitty 9 to 5 for the rest of their pathetic existence without and music, movies, video games, art or any other creative work to enjoy.

A few car manufacturers going out of business is well worth everyone in the world having an infinite supply of cars. Same if the analogy was a food maker.

thats what video game developers get for pandering to jobless NEETs

also cloning cars would put car manufacturers out of business but the genius who created the technology would rake in millions because of the ramifications of being able to create matter out of literally nothing.

Although I agree with OPs point that it doesn't cause a physical loss of profits it does affect the industry.

In a demand and supply economy it becomes hard to reason buying a digital item because it has a virtually (pun intended) infinite supply. It doesn't make sense to pay $30+ for an item that can be replicated so easily. I think that the best system would be one like patreon for developers.

Honestly I justify 90% of the ROMs I have through this. Still a poor excuse though.

Piracy is not theft but it's a different kind of crime

Disney proved that copyright is a complete and total scam that simply can't be respected or trusted in any way whatsoever.

I dont pirate vidya because i like having it all organised nicely on my steam library and dont have to worry about not having the latest patches and updates.
I also dont buy that many games, maybe one or two every three months.
I pirate absolutely everything else though.

>pun intended
I’m still waiting for the pun

Without piratefags, there'd be no Denuvo. Without piratefags, there'd be no "always online". Without piratefags, the Switch would have save data backups. Without piratefags, less developers would feel the need to splinter off content into DLC and microtransactions.

It doesn't have to be crime. Somebody decided it was, but somebody also decided it's not illegal to have a regional monopoly, so I don't know if our legal system here in America is very trustworthy and unbiased.
Morally pirating a game is like taking pictures of every page of a book and printing your own copy. As long as you don't try to sell the pirated work, there's no inherent moral issue.

But that has literally nothing to do with software piracy, retard.

This is all Walt Disney and Hollywood jews fault, those fucking shitters
Before him, entertainment used to be considered a free thing, and artists would only he paid after their art been appreciated, usually in a patron style systeam

In a world where IP laws exist, piracy obviously is theft, it's just not theft in the traditional sense.

I mean, if someone owned a patent on a specific kind of bicycle and you stole the plans and started making the same bike, you would be convicted of theft and corporate espionage.

I like free vidya, I am a poorfag and most people I know who arent complete normalfags pirate shit all the time and literally noone cares
Also its a nice way to see if a game can actually run on my rig since demos are apparently no longer a thing

>Imagine Your Car Gets Stolen, but it's Still There in the Morning
What would the police do in this situation? You have the original car, but other guy made a copy and still had to steal it and drive away.
Do you get two cars and the guy goes to jail?

Sea of Thieves coming out soon, brothers

You don't have a right to obtain a copy of it, so yeah.

The thing is, people who pirate stuff would not buy it anyway in the vast majority of cases. Thus, pirating a game, films, tv shows, books, etc. does not cause damage to the creator, it merely enables other people to enjoy the product too.

Imagine you're a car salesman, now you have no customers.

Legality != morality

Just sell cloning machines then. Or even better, buy 2 cloning nachines and spend your days cloning cloning machines, thus putting the guy who invented cloning machines out of business

>Sup Forums pirates all their comics
>ok lol
>Sup Forums pirates all their anime
>ok lol
>/t/ pirates all their piracy
>ok lol
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>someone on Sup Forums pirates their game
>Sup Forumsedditors lose their shit
Why is this allowed?

because you touch yourself at night with thoughts of little children.

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>Piracy is still a crime though - because if you could make copies of cars, then car manufacturers would go out of business.
Incorrect, not the definition of "crime"
>Hard work should be rewarded, which is why intellectual property law exists
Correct but literally impossible to enforce

Literally the tankie point of view.
If that happened, the video games industry would die.

Make me, faggot.

I never get why it's never called counterfeiting.

This, only jews hate piracy because they would lose their precisious shekels. While everybody else would get an infinite supply of free entertainment

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>car manufacturers would go out of business
>this is a bad thing
adapt or die, if you cant still make money while piracy happens its because your business strategy is archaic.

All game companies just start giving away the same game in larger and large quantities? Maybe they'll pay us to take them away.

Data shows that piracy helps sales, not discourages it. That being said, make sure to support developers and purchase copies of good games. That is the only way they can keep making more of them.

>these people are allowed to post
gross

Because counterfeiting is a completely different thing? Piracy isn't creating an imitation of the original and trying to pass it off as the real thing, it's creating a literal copy of the original. Words have meanings.

DBFZ CRACK WHEN????

Because it's piracy, mostly identical digital copies and just given away for free.

They are the board, user.

Then why don't video game companies go out of business en masse?

Face it, if pirating ceased to exist tomorrow, vidya companies would see a very minor upswing in sales, and some of them would even experience a loss of sales (piracy is free marketing).

>There wouldn't even be any consolewar threads
THANK FUCKING GOD

>>Sup Forums logic

The solution to stop piracy permanently is to enforce DEATH PENALTY INTERNATIONALLY to those who pirate AND those who have history of pirating

Pirates who get caught will be immediately executed without trial

Pirating includes but not limited to vidya, music, TV shows, anime, softwares, downloading cars etc

Form a international death squad will be created to enforce this new Piracy Law and hunt down and execute Pirates

piracy is theft
but file sharing is not piracy

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We are talking morals, not legality.

Not speaking for co because I dont care about comics but with anime most of it is unavailable here otherwise or is incredibly overpriced.
I do, however have a sub to crunchyroll though I don't ever use it

Watching clips from a TV show or movie on YouTube is a form of piracy.

ITT: people from 3rd world countries

Moralfags and piratefags both acknowledge there is a technical, practical, and legal distinction between piracy and theft. But theft is still a convenient metaphor.

Personally I am 100% piratefag, have been for twenty years, but I don't get my jimmies rustled when people call me a thief.

>All the lawful aligned fucktards in this thread
When did Sup Forums go from counterculture to blindly obeying laws from corrupt government and corporations? On top of it, you all make these based on assumptions of how they hurt the industry and not on fact and data that shows it helps the industry. Support good developers, but by all means pirate games if it pleases you.

why isnt having reddit cookies a bannable offence yet?

Sounds like an easy fair use defence to me.

The Avengers movie clip Thor punches badguy 2:23:00

I don't want to sound like some anti-capitalist anarchist or whatever, but seriously I fucking hate the vidya industry so I would be delighted if piracy killed it. It hasn't happened in the past fifty years, but maybe it will happen in another fifty if we all keep pirating. Somehow I doubt it though.

I dont care if people call it theft either, but I do care that people get moralfaggy over video games piracy when they themselves pirate music, movies, books, anime, tv shows

piracy is either okay or not okay it is okay
people should atleast be consistant

>If you were making games yourself you'd care!

Nope. I made a game and put it on Patreon, and ofcourse plenty of people just pirated and you can even find "illegal" versions of the game all online, but I didn't/don't care as long as I made some money. And if I was making hundreds of millions like these gaming companies do then I wouldn't even be thinking about pirates.

Your point?

Well yeah, being pissed off about hypocrisy is only natural.

>All of you against piracy: how do you feel about buying used games?
The developer gets no additional money and you get to enjoy the game at a reduced price. Sure, the copy is transferred in ownership, but you are not paying the developer outright.

How does Denuvo get cracked? I mean on a technical level.

denuvo doesnt get removed, it gets circumvented, essentially tricked into beleiving your "key" is legit

>if I was making hundreds of millions like these gaming companies do then I wouldn't even be thinking about pirates.
Fyi, they aren't thinking about pirates. They are thinking about controlling their paying consumers and bleeding them dry. Pirates are just a convenient motivational scapegoat.

Do crackers just artistically change hex values for that to work?

You can't just say movie clips presented without commentary parody or critique as fair use without also arbitrarily defining how long they're allowed to be. How much they're allowed to show.
You could just upload an entire movie in 15, 10, 5 minute segments. Maybe not in practice but on principle plain movie clips on YouTube that aren't officially distributed are a form of piracy.

Second hand sales are as evil as lending your friend a disc. Faggots literally killing the industry, which is why Ubisoft and EA shut down and Blockbusters keep opening new branches all over the world.

If you could make copies of cars then that means you found a way to create resources and energy out of nowhere, we could recycle the cars you copied and use the resources to create property for everyone, no more poverty, wars or hunger. We wouldn't need car manufacturers anymore, so basically in your analogy piracy is a good thing.

my morals>your morals
get fucked faggets

Here's the plain and simple of it:

Piracy is not simply the act of duplication but the act of duplication without intent of paying for said product. When you pirate, you are duplicating or acquiring a duplicate of a product without paying the company their dues and when you multiply that act by the tens of thousands, companies start to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions in some extreme cases).

So no, it's not illegal in the sense that you're taking something and leaving the company with nothing; you are however taking something and leaving the company with their product in tact but no profit from acquiring that product. You may as well have just reached into their bank account and taken $60.

So you are arguing that there is no easy fair use defence against uploading a clip because you might upload a whole film?

No matter how I look at it, the vidya industry deserves a massive kick in the balls. It has been becoming more and more retarded, and we've gotten to a point where shit like Denuvo exists, where you only pretend to own the games that you purchased, but in reality, they are only licensing them to you for as long as they please. Now that's more along the lines of theft. It's literally worse to have the game purchased than pirated.

Here's the difference between buying a used game and pirating.

The used game was already originally sold, so the company had already made their money on that product. Companies reselling that product to customers doesn't hurt the gaming company because they're not losing physical copies. Secondly, it's almost impossible to find a used copy of a game on release, meanwhile, piracy can obtain games within days of release and affect overall sales.

>Evil? Reaching a little, don't you think?
Did you ever think secondhand sales drive sales at the $60 pricepoint. I will buy and support games knowing I can offload and make most of my money back. Without this option, myself and many others, would NEVER think of paying $50-60 for a new game. I generally wait til prices drop anyways and wait for hype to clear.

If it's popular, it's our duty to be contradictive. So if the popular vote is to pirate, then we as Sup Forums need to be in favor of anti-piracy measures.

OH NO THOSE POOR CORPORATIONS AND ASSORTED GREEDY SHITS WILL GO OUT OF BUSINESS?
Suck my fucking dick.

I feel like maybe you didn't read my entire post and fully comprehend it.

>50 years later
>"W-why can't I pirate any games? Where are all the games to pirate?!?!?"
>"Timmy, all the video game corporations went out of business because of people like you. Video games no longer exist. Now, go and ride your hoverbike like all the other kids"

>all the video game corporations went out of business because of people like you
BEST TIMELINE

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Fifty years from now dorf fort will be the only game worth playing and it will still be freeware.

Piracy drives sales! Any money lost through piracy is less than what an advertising budget would have cost. In turn, people who pirate games speak about them on the internet so freely in today's day and age, that the effect on the market increases sales. This has been proven. Support good game developers and buy their games, but come out of your cave and see the forest through the trees you literal faglord.

>>"Timmy, all the video game corporations went out of business because of people like you.
God willingly, this is what will happen. Please Lord smite all those corporation fucks.
>video games no longer exist
Hahahaha good one

OP's image was created by a blithering retard who doesn't know the definition of theft.

Except you're wrong

>IP law protects musicians
everybody laugh at this ignorant motherfucker right now.

IP is a spook. You can't own an idea.