What has always creeped me out about GTA SA is how this game has alot of places what look like they were made for a...

What has always creeped me out about GTA SA is how this game has alot of places what look like they were made for a reason, but no mission ever takes place there, like that big oil refinery in the desert, which looks pretty elaborate, but you can beat the entire game without ever visiting it

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Same with this big oil field nearby, which has moving pumps and looks like it was made for some exciting chase mission

Entire town of Bayside which only has boat school and no mission ever takes place anywhere near it

I forgot to add, that it's the only town in the game without food store, ammu-nation, safehouse etc

I always feel that GTA SA has a wierd atmosphere any time you're not in a vehicle or in a large open space

Big Factory near San Fierro, also never visited during missions

They probably made the map then filled in missions.

why did this game feel bigger than gta 5?

This random warehouse between LS and SF too

Because the map is way smaller and feels more dense

Draw distance + windy roads.

You were younger

Large empty spaces look bad. It's better to have some detail to the world.

Get a draw distance mod and you will no longer think this.

So developers putting in extra effort and adding neat deatils to lovingly craft an open world that's actually good is creepy now?

desu I love pictures like this. Got anymore?
>inb4 that Vice City one that's actually just the Sims

The emptiness creeps people out because they associate unexplained things with something bad.

PROBABLY because the map was developed before the missions. Some missions were cut. OR they just felt like not making a bland map.

To me it felt smaller too, I even tried playing GTA:SA again to confirm it, the reason for this is probably because GTA 5 has alot of empty countryside space and huge lake

HOLY SHIT

I just think those areas are a little bit too elaborate to be just parts of background

how the fuck is that creepy? christ, are you a pussy.

R* just did a really good job of making the map feel larger than it is.

I wonder if big R created those shit with some missions in the mind, but deadline forced them to abandon those missions, or did they just put it so it can look cool.

Well, GTA V also has a lot of interesting areas it never uses for anything. They had a fuckhuge prison. They had a perfect opportunity to use that prison for a mission, what with that whole story about Trevor thinking one of his formers partners is held there. And yet they never do. Same for that army base. Same for the casino in Los Santos. There's a ring for horse racing. You know what's not in it? Horses.

It's one of my main complaints about it. It doesn't make much use out of any of the ares not in Los Santos or Trevor's town.

There was a cut Truth mission in Bayside, remains of which were found in game's files

Because there are multiple towns along with places like Vegas.

There is also Observatory on a hill with a road leading to it

Why is CJ so angry about Smoke's betrayal, but never talks about Ryder?

cut content most likely

Happens in every GTA in some way or another. Even the tiny GTA IV had a fully equipped skate park near the port.

Ryder was his hommie busta. He was more sad then angry
Actually R just wanted one more villian in their game, but they were pretty late in development, and they didn't had time to create many more new voicelines.Ryder wasn't even supossed to betray groove in beta for fuck sake.

The map design was incredible. Many areas with unique names and buildings with no missions, only purpose was to explore. Really made the world feel hand crafted. The only fault is low poly models.

>modding to remove limitation of oroginal hardware
>cherry picking a specific angle the player will never see
Gee fucking figure it looks bad. I wish faggots would stop posting this and acting like it in any way represents the map.

you sound buttblasted for absolutely no reason

GTAIV has fully functional funiculars. And I noticed them only on my third playthrough.

Yeah, they don't even mention why Ryder betrayed the Grove

Wasn' t there a real tiny space for a turf war?

God I hated that little shit

Originally all 3 cities were supposed to have Turf War with different gangs in San Fierro and Las Venturas too, it was cut from the game, but can be accessed by glitch

it's called attention to detail. developers used to do this, back in ye olden times before you were all born, so roughly before 2005ish. The reason for making things like this in a game like GTA was immersion, you didn't need to have a mission attached to every fucking thing just for the sake of it like modern games.

Because all 5 did was adding empty space

That's where you fight the werewolf, oh wait, different game

Why does every piece of content have to have a mission? Why isn't it just the fact that it makes sense in the world and is interesting?

This location is marked on UFO map too

That was a fun glitch

It's more accessing cut content than glitch, because you get to fight Da Nang Boys and Rifas in San Fierro and their territories have unique colors

Well. Guess it's time to replay the PS2 GTA games for the millionth time.

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It does represent the map, it isnt about making it look bad or anything, it really is just to show the actual map.

You are very retarded, the correct response to the original question "Why did it feel bigger then GTA V?" is simply this the windy roads and lack of an efficient highway (plus no GPS). In GTA V you spend most of the time using highways (since the gps guides you to use them) and getting to places really fast without exploring the map, there are plenty of cool spots in V too that also arent used for missions but the game forces the player to search on their own in a way that doesnt feel natural at all.

ban evasion is against the rules

I know SA map in and out like the back of my pocket, better than any city I've ever lived in. I have probably spent more than 20k hours in this fucking virtual city.

Or the Area 51 style place, which has a fucking huge labyrinth inside of it

I had one of those friends that told me he saw a ghost here. I believed him and spent hours on a few nights searching for it.

>that smallest gang turf which was a sliver of the sidewalk where you had to be in while shooting ballas to actually start a turf for for it
what the fuck was rockstar on when they did that

I was the same back then. I knew every fucking street by heart and name.

Today I can't even find my dick without a GPS

Lol, GTA SA has some genuinely creepy locations, but Bayside is not one of them, it's actually really comfy and beautiful

Them not doing anything with the horse racing arena made me sad. I thought of all the possible things that could happen that never came.

If you mean Area 69, it's featured in a mission

By character movement speeds, they're pretty similar.

>viewing modifications
This is plausibly true for GTA V though, and FOV affects this also.

>it's featured in a mission
the entire underground place? Bullshit. What mission?

what does draw distance even mean

Black Project, it's the mission where you steal the jetpack.

It's the distance the graphics engine decides to load in, render, display & etc.

ahh thank you for the reply

It's basically how much of the map is rendered at any one time. It's used to save on resources. Often to make it look less jarring since things "pop" into existence as you get closer they add a fog like effect.

Dude, did you even beat the game?

I agree. There's something rather uncomfortable or even unsettling about early 3D open world environments.

2004 game is not early 3D open world environment

GTA:SA still has the best open world of any game I've played, RDR is close second

Name 10 3D open world games that came out before then.

>there are plenty of cool spots in V too that also arent used for missions but the game forces the player to search on their own in a way that doesnt feel natural at all.
I've spent more time in online mode just exploring these areas. It's a sort of "turn your brain off and listen to podcasts" activity, but it's a real shame there's no items or secret vehicles to find or anything. On one hand, it's INSANE when you pay attention to how detailed and hand-crafted these areas are. But on the other, you feel bad for the designers who did all that work for next to no one to see it. At most, you'll get a shitty player created mission there, and nothing else.

>Gee fucking figure it looks bad. I wish faggots would stop posting this and acting like it in any way represents the map.
God damn son, why so mad? If anything this pic shows that rockstar knows what they're doing for taking a relatively small map and making it feel huge.

morrowind
daggerfall
GTA3
GTA Vice City
OOT
Mario 64
SHenmue
DK 64
Banjo
Banjo tooie

Driver 2, Morrowind, GTA 3, GTA VC, Gothic, Gothic 2, True Crime: Streets of LA, Shenmue, Shenmue 2, Metroid Prime

BTFO

>The only fault is low poly models
>One of those "it didn't age well" fags

Jesus you are dumb.

that faggy got BTFO xD

>picking a specific angle the player will never see
and why the fuck not? you get a hydra and that angle is completely plausible

How the fuck is Mario 64 an open world? I'm not even disagreeing with you that SA isn't early, but you gotta go and say some retarded shit and make your whole argument seem more retarded

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>OOT
>Mario 64
>SHenmue
>DK 64
>Banjo
>Banjo tooie
All those games have enclosed, micro worlds. Even Shenmue's just a series of narrow corridors.

disregard mario all his other mentions are correct dont fucking derail his argument here youre just wrong at least accept it dont fucking make a excuse response to deviate from the main topic u alphafag

>OoT, dk64, BK, BT, SM64
>open world
OoT is the closest and even it isn't

Also GTA, GTA 2, Spider-Man 2, Driver, The Getaway, Simpsons: Hit & Run, Mafia,

>GTA, GTA 2
He said 3D though

Did you read my post?

>GTA, GTA 2
>3D
dumby

It's funny V feels like the exact opposite. The entire map+ side content was clearly designed around the story. The underground tunnels and all of the scraped interiors are a clear example of this.

Horses were actually going to be in the game. There's cut police chatter about a suspect on a horse.

Did you read his post ?

it's ok, i know millennials can't be bothered to do anything for themselves.

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>Shenmue's just a series of narrow corridors
says the person who never played it

>OOT isn't open world
confirmed for pants on head retarded

Hyrule Field is the only actual open area and everywhere you go has a distinct loading screen and transition.

why the fuck is it not in there fuck R* for cashing in on online and saying fuck everyone elsv

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>big levels = open world
oh okay uh then ape escape is open world

What makes them so good? Vice city is literally my favorite game, just barely edging out SA.

I'm guessing you didn't play GTA 1 and 2 then?

It's basically a simplistic 3D city from top down perspective with a bunch of sprites for cars and shit.

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Well, I guess you could argue that it's not 3D in the same way that Doom 1-2 is not 3D.

I will sacrifice literally any setting for better draw distance. It's so important to me.

The casino was the worst of it.

V is honestly anti-fun because it can't decide whether it wants to be arcadey like the 3D games, or an immersive sim like IV, so it just tries to be an awkward mix of both. There's no cohesive vision in the game (something SA suffered from too, but to a lesser extent) and this is reflected in the schizophrenic structure of the story.

V is the worst gta