Classic thread

classic thread


What were the counters to rogue back in the day, besides druid? I'd want to play lock but its pretty obvious that there will be a metric fuckton of rogues initially when classic drops

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Mage, druid, warrior in 1v1

In group play rogues were shit.

How did shammys fare?

Arms warrior (literally just spam overpower)

Demo lock, but only at level 60 with actual PvP gear.

Against rogues? Against noob rogues they probably won, against any rogue who knew what the fuck they were doing they were dead.

The only way to counter a rogue was to break their stunlock somehow and apply a dot.

What made rogues so OP was stunlock and their high, static damage burst with eviscerate which dealt 2k+ raw physical damage, but didn't scale with attack power.

But you can only stunlock one person at a time.

Shamans were ruined by rogues 1v1, because they simply couldn't break stunlock.

Warriors could actually outlast a rogue's stunlock long enough with armor and high stamina alone, and if they got a single rend on the rogue they were done for.

I have a level 60 rogue on Nostalarius.

Heavily experienced with PvP

Basically gear has a lot to do with it. But assuming equal gear

Assuming you're a sub rogue with cold blood and a 10min CD that resets all other CDs

>Mage
Best opening is ambush, you can't stunlock mages, as they can blink out of cheap shot. Unless you have all cooldowns, you will lose unless the mage sucks (which isn't rare)

Cooldowns NECESSARY or you lose.

>Warrior
This is the worst PvP class in the game. Anyone can beat them, including rogues

>Warlock
One of the harder classes for rogues, especially if they have succubus out (basically impossible). You have to stunlock them to death, or they beat you. If they can get a DoT on you, you WILL lose.

>Priest
Can be stunlocked to death, BUT, they have a talent that gives them 15% chance to resist stuns, which is actually a big deal and drops stunlocks.

This matchup is RNG and very gear dependent

>Druid
Not much experience against these. It's just very, very hard to kill a druid. Considered to be best 1v1 class in game.

>Hunter
Hardest matchup for rogue. Basically unless the hunter sucks (again very common), or is undergeared, he wins.

When the servers come out im thinking of playing a druid or a hunter. Were either of them any good?

Depends on the patch number. Earliest classic had no dr. With dr introduced the matchup changed. Otherwise as other dude said - hunter was hardest matchup from what i remember.

>This is the worst PvP class in the game. Anyone can beat them, including rogues
HAHA
Maybe low level shitters without equips. They scale like crazy later on. And god forbid he has a pally buddy with him.

Druids can ONLY heal in raids.

No one will let you be DPS.

You will ONLY be given healing gear.

Same goes for

- Shaman
- Paladin
- Disc/holy priests (only 1 shadow priest is allowed in raids)

All these classes are only allowed to heal in raids, and will only be given healing gear, you won't get any DPS gear.

Don't expect to be a DPS/PVP badass at max level, you are stuck being a fucking healing cuck for some asshole raid leader and a bunch of autists.

>And god forbid he has a pally buddy with him.

I'm only talking about 1v1

Warriors with a healer are actually OP in PVP

1v1 they're objectively the worst PVP class by far.

Druid: Balance is a fucking joke all around. Feral is fun for leveling and you can tank 5 mans. You'll get laughed at for raid tank or feral dps unless they leave in the no gcd/shifting item. You'll be locked in as a healer in raids. For pvp your ability to roll Hots on yourself will give great surviability.

Hunter: You have to go marksman and learn the scattershot/trap combo as well as kiting. In 5 mans and raids they're fucking boring as shit.

A good Warlock can fucking rape a Rogue, but you have to know how to counter their opener, kite and CC-lock them because if they get about five seconds on you free you're donezo.

Yeah im not into healing. I know there was terrible class balance in vanilla. What classes were viable for raid dps?

Warrior, unless you were good enough to 5-8 kite them with bleeds.
Prot paladins with reckoning (lol)
Mages better than you, though you could destroy the bad ones. If they blinked a cheap shot, they were fucking dead.

Warriors get hammered 1v1 by if gear and skill are equal. If the warrior outgears you greatly then yes they shit all over you. And with a holy pally it gets even worse .

But a naked rogue can beat a warrior and a mage in greens can beat a warrior in epics without breaking a sweat.

Rogue/mage/fury warrior/warlock are generally the classes that you would see dominating the dps charts.

I was 9 years old when i played vanilla so i don't remember all that well, but i thought that hunters < rogues in most 1v1 cases.

plus i also thought warr was pretty middle of the pack in terms of pvp.

Shaman healer in classic? Are you high?

Stop being bad.
Warlocks were literally free kill to rogues any time between 2004 to 2018.

yeah but shamans didnt have dots
dumbfuck you never played classic decent shamans shit on rogues

stoneform was here, rend is a loser.

Protection Paladin, King of pissing everyone off.

change that to 2004-2016 and you're correct. but assuming that both the rogue and lock knew what they were doing, rogue> lock even with succubus.

In raids that's all you would get to be. In pvp though memespec fury was the only way to go.

Warriors just fucking murdered everything no matter how ridiculous it looked, they were the kings of PvP and rouges were no exception.

Except rouges had a secret tactic. Hide from the Warrior and Seek out every other class in the game

Are you?

Shaman is one of the best raid healers in the game because of chain heal

>In pvp though memespec fury was the only way to go.

Just because there were meme videos of some people getting lucky with windfury one shots doesn't mean it was good, Ele was the best tree for shaman in pvp it's super strong

i havent played vidya in 3 weeks cause i constantly feel like shit from this horrible job,this is my only day off and i still dont feel like it but i sure as fk will be playing classic from day fucking 1 so give me that launch day you stupid fucking jews

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Sometimes you might get lucky and the RL lets one ret/ench for the nightfury meme procs but anymore and you gimp the raid dps.