Are video games art, Sup Forums? Why?

Are video games art, Sup Forums? Why?

Art in 2018 is a really meaningless word. Yeah, they are art. If I consider them art, that makes them art. Just like a hipster can paint a few lines and declare it art, so that is art too. It's just a matter of whether or not the term is important to you. For me, it isn't important.

Anything is art, so yes.

Video games are Saturday morning cartoons for adults.

t. keksimus

culmination of different artforms but not really a medium

Yes, a combination of programming, game design, 2D art, 3D art, music, sounds, voice acting, story, cinema etc. is art. Why is this still being talked about?

Kino.

It's a medium to convey emotions and experiences, I don't see how it couldn't be considered art.

>not thinking shanis thighs are the top kino
plebs, plebs everywhere

the word "art" can be applied to actual dogshit nowadays, so why not call video games art?

no, and i never want it to be. because when you stop making shit to be fun and trying super hard to be pretentious is how we got in the current situation in the current year with "interactive movies" and "experiences". now you have to cater to the lowest common denominator when games that are fun are literally blowing the fuck out of the industry by 2 cocksuckers in a shed

On average no, but it can be.
The perfect blend of refined gameplay, great gfx, music an story that conveys feelings and emotions is something utterly rare in a very market focused industry mostly dominated by greed. Art needs money and disregard for the potential outcome, something that publishers are not likely to risk. Sometimes, a game managed to have some artistic values, but it's uncommon.

Wtf happened to ciri's nose?

Art doesn't mean pretentiousness or a lack of fun.

Why does it even matter? Just have fun playing vidya.

The best definition of art is "something that elicits an emotional response" so yes, technically they are.

Art requires benefactors. Video games do not have Benefactors. They have investors.
Kickstarter is a step in the right direction but baby steps are not walking. Give it more time and maybe, but not yet.

All human expressions are art. Art can be good, bad, pretentious or base. Therefore, video games are a form of art.

The problem is right now we use "video games" to describe a massive variety of interactive experiences. Something like Tetris is clearly a game. Something like What Remains of Edith Finch is somewhere between a movie and an amusement park ride. They have totally different goals. They should not be classified as the same thing.

Who gives a flying fuck if games are art, i just want to enjoy them.
The less people get into idnustry thinking they are artists, the better.
Maybe we'll have some actual gameplay and interesting design instead of twats pouring cheap modern philosophy into indie pixelshit

it definitely means trying too hard to make video games something that it never will be

go back to twitter, lo-ping

Art doesn't have to be good. Art can be shit, too. Video games are art, just rarely good art.

No, it doesn't. That's not what art is.

Why wouldn't something that basically combines every form of art imaginable be a form of art?

whoever made this cant draw for shit

Yen's are pretty good too though.

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That Ciri

Yep, videogames confirmed art

Yes.

The reasons they haven't achieved the cultural recognition of things like literary fiction or music is because of three factors.
1. High barrier and cost to entry-Programming, music, art design and a shitload of other things along with expensive equipment (varies on what game you're making) means it's harder for one person to make a game than to write a book. More people have to be added to project which means more $. More $ means more corporate interference leading to my next point
>2. Corporate Advertising- It's likely that if a small indie game were given the ad budget of a AAA game, there would be no cut content and the game would have much more depth to it. but because all the budget goes into these big hollywood experiences and other games don't have them, the games you typically see or hear about are shit like CoD, WoW, Fortnite, or PUBG, which are certainly not high art. This causes mainstream to have a preconceived notion of games leading to point 3
3. Public Perception- Most books and movies considered art because they represented a cultural milestone or displayed a mastery of technique. Since both film and literary study are developed fields steeped with unique terminology and videogames have had basically nothing of that sort written on them, people are less likely to make a game with the purpose of being critically reviewed and found to be excelling in these areas and concurrently the people who would review them and consider them "art" in such a way are less inclined.

Video games.
Games.
Games = challenge.
To challenge an opponent (chess, basketball)
To challenge luck (any kind of gamble)
To challenge the game itself (puzzles, rubik cube)

If you consider all above cited examples art, then yeah, vidya is art.

Jesus god in heaven. Installing now.

Ecce homo!

>people discussing art instead of discussing tits and ass
shitty thread

what mod

No mod, just Yens alternate outfit you can select in the options.

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>DURR ME HATE BIDEO GAEM DISCUSSION, ME WANT TO SEE THE BOOBIES AND BUM BUM NOW!!

>inner thigh tattoo
Thats probably the trashiest shit ever seen on a vidya.
Shame on her.

your mom is art, i thoroughly enjoy her on the regular

If they were art, people wouldn't care about girls with big boobs and wouldn't try to change those kind of vidyas

Oh fuck, I never bothered with those alternate costumes.

You can call chess sets or poker decks artistic. You can even turn sessions of the games into a work of art. The games themselves are not art. Games incorporate art.

giv ciri gf

they are but it's way too bothersome to argue for it as there are many dumb persons arguing for the contrary. Instead just enjoy vidya. Art doesn't need anyone's acceptance, it just is. See: the role of art during medieval times, when doing art was basically considered a manual labor like any other. Also, read The Story of Art by Gombrich, it's a great book.

No, and every developer who thinks it is makes boring games.

>hurrr it's like a deck of cards or checkers xDDD
No, it obviously fucking isn't you mongs. Do checkers have music? Does chess have a plot? VIDEO games. The games are there but the video is as well and it propels things further than hurr just a game. Fucking small minds living in the past

Like what others said, it can be, along with everything potentially being considered art because you can.

The deeper question is what games can bring to new perception. Movies weren't considered art until Russians learned the art of film cutting and the Kuleshov Effect that every, every movie uses to this day, regardless of what the point of the story is. The closest thing video games have done in the sense that little to no other medium can mimic it is the method user-driven story creation.

Books, film, theater can never, ever create the experience of Dwarf Fortress or the stories that game creates, but people look at 'Gone Home' or predetermined narratives as some sort of representation of video games as art when its just repackaging a story that can be told by other means, like an actual physical house. Then we get self proclaimed artists like Tale of Tales being the biggest head-up-their-own-ass snobs pushing schlock they call art and then getting upset because their work is boring as shit that other games already do better

tl;dr until vidya presents narratives that it, and more-or-less only it, can present and not be just a repackaged movie, its going to be hard to be accepted as art beyond 'because I say its art, its art.' Dynamic narrative creation is probably the way to go but there's no foundational method that everyone agrees to work from like how novels have story arcs and movies have editing