I'm fucking tired of this

I'm fucking tired of this

creating a challenging game requires good game design

>extreme difficulty
give me 5 examples

>extreme difficulty
lel like what?

High difficulty doesn't mean bad design, what is this meme trying to say?

"I'm bad at video games" is the answer.

I too am tired of this fucking awful Reddit meme

Cuphead
Binding of Isaac
Super Meat Boy
Super Hexagon
The impossible Game
Hotline Miami

What is this image even trying to convey? Can't be aping after Minecraft like so many indie devs because that guy is Swedish I'm pretty sure.

I agree that most indie dev have no clue how to make fair challenge. Take a game like megaman, this is what difficulty should be like.

Git gud fgt

This is bait

>extreme difficulty
The absolute state of nu-Sup Forums. A lot of those games aren't even nintendo-hard

B A I T
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None of those games have anything to offer except challenge.
If the difficulty were to be removed it would have fallen into obscurity.

It obviously wasn't a genuine post. Cuphead and The Impossible Game come the closest, but one is tough because it takes after bullet hell games (and Cuphead is still a very light bullet hell), the other because of the trial and error gimmick. Everyone knows this, and the rest were strewn in to sucker you in, hence bait.

>game isnt actually difficult if it wasnt for hunger/sanity/ammo/other dumb resource management
>once you can manage the resource game is actually a breeze

Well if the big titles can't give you any challange, it only makes sense for smaller ones to focus on that aspect more.
Also with limited budget and amount of work you can do in a small team, there is only so much you can do. If indie studios can't make huge worlds, long non-linear games or stunning graphics, then difficulty is an easy thing to focus on, since it not only doesn't take much work, but can also make the game seem longer or give it more replay value.
There's honestly nothing wrong with it, it only seems like a logical choice in the design.

>extreme difficulty

Either you're a retard or under six years old.

>Man: Sup Forums
>Girlfriend: Original content
>Other girl: Stupid rehashed memes

(you) you cockloving faggot

lmao

What the fuck is Nintendo hard? All those games are more difficult than pretty much any nintendo games except for Lost Levels.

>FTFY

Metroidvania is a meme now, but both Metroid and Castlevanias with that formula are amazing

fucking dumbass I WANNA BE THE GUY Horseshit that think "nintendo hard" was stupid unfair horseshit gimmicks like "LELE T3H W@RP P1P3 H@S SP!K3Z!!!" nintendo hard is just "3 continues, or else you go back to the start." Dark Souls is nintendo hard.

personally always preferred pre SotN castlevanias. Order of Ecclesia was great tho.

Indie devs honestly do a good job and bring a lot of great games to the table. I don't get the hate towards them. Honestly the video game industry would be pretty barren nowadays without them.

EXTREEEEEEEEEEEME

Nice bait you faggot

Shithole countries

This is the most retarded post I have ever seen. Your nintendo hard is arcade game design and Dark Souls doesn't fit the role at all.

The fact that these games don't start your ass over when you lose all your continues, (since they don't have continues) automatically disqualifies them from "extreme difficulty."

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No it does not. Out of 10 possible ways to make a hard game, only about 2 are good game design. The rest are about artificial inflation of time needed, automatically needing repeated attempts, terrible controls on purpose, or removing basic components to require more work.

I agree with this
take out the animation/music from cuphead and it's a shit platformer
the bosses are just memorise the patterns, its all the same and its fucking dull

This is why people mock Sup Forums.

>chad has gf
>girl walks by that looks just as bland as the other girl
>chad turns his head
What did they even mean by this?

Literally only Sup Forums mocks Sup Forums.

I'm fine with this, desu. You don't know how game works - you lose a lot. You learn the game - you win.

Metroidvanias are fun as hell, so nothing wrong with that.

>Binding of Issac

it's just a Smash TV clone with random power up progression

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You know this isn't true.

Silver Surfer

now fuck off

I'm not fine with this when this shit is added to slashers or beat'em ups.

oh look it's DSP

Who else?

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>"Dude bro! Like Cuphead is like Dark souls + Super mario xD!!"

>save state tier checkpoints with infinite lives is 'extreme difficulty to Sup Forums'

You guys are on the cutting edge of being casuals. In a few years I unironically expect you guys to be discussing Super Mario Sunshine as a hardcore game.

>What the fuck is nintendo hard
Spotted the literal child.

What are some extreme difficulty games to you guys?

I think of Ninja Gaiden (both the NES and the Xbox one), Abadox, Bayou Billy, and Holy Diver

>blaming anyone for not knowing normalfag memes casual shitters have come up with
This place has gone to shit.

Basically for a while the gaming landscape was super stagnant.

>cuphead
>everybody finished it 100% in 2-3 days, including the most retarded streamers
>"extreme difficulty"

7/10 bait

Who else

his friends at where this faggot belongs

Not me.

I fell into both categories.

>implying you have a choice

>Hotline Miami
nigger what the fuck

Objectively correct list. Remove the focus on "difficulty" these games have and what's left is often bland and insignificant. For instance Isaac's later expansions made the game worse by providing higher difficulty and more of the same, therefore diluting the design across more repetitive content. For most first time players the difficulty is indeed "extreme", and autism and bragging seems make the games popular. I would even add FTL and Rain World to the list. Even though i beat FTL on hard i wish there were even deeper and more fun systems in the game, better graphics, better narrative, etc.

I wanna be the guy
devil daggers
kerbal space program

Not that guy. But most non-Sup Forums boards mock Sup Forums. It's often called Sup Forums 2.0 even.
Sup Forums despises Sup Forums.
/jp/ despises Sup Forums.
Sup Forums despises Sup Forums.
/tg/ despises Sup Forums.
/m/ despises Sup Forums.
And I am sure most other boards does too.

And with all the wojack, frog, and 3dpd posting I can honestly understand. Not to mention all the senseless literal shilling.
Need I remind you how Sup Forums is the only board on the entire site that regularly shits on file sharing and defends and praises draconian DRM practises?

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It's still not as bad as Sup Forums though

>the bollywood edit

I'd argue IWBTG, it's bullshit yeah but you got unlimited lives and checkpoints all over the place, brute forcing it is a possibility.

Touhou. Fuck that shit.

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Go back you cuck.

>Need I remind you how Sup Forums is the only board on the entire site that regularly shits on file sharing and defends and praises draconian DRM practises?
1 or 2 pissant trolls don't represent the majority of the board

I've only played Super Meat Boy and Hotline Miami and was able to complete both, which hardly makes them "extremely difficult" to me, as I don't consider myself noteworthy in gaming ability. They are definitely quite hard in what they require you to do, but they allow you to restart as many times as you like, which ultimately makes them merely "challenging".

I hate /tg/

>hey guys can we talk about tcgs?
>sure what Magic deck you building?
>I don't play Magic
>REEEEEEE WEEBSHIT GO TO /VG/ MODS BAN THIS WEEBSHIT PLS REEEEEEE

>slightly challenging games
>EXTREME DIFFICULTY

I take offense to that wonky faced thot being likened to a Norwegian beauty. She looks more like a britbong.

how old are you again?

all of these boards are extremely shitty

Newsflash, every board despises the other boards. It's especially true for Sup Forums, Sup Forums and Sup Forums since they are the most popular.

That can't be right, /tg/ is like 50/50 on weebs and westaboos.

i do both

>It took me the same amount of time to beat cuphead and do the double arena rajang quest in mhfu.
>Nu-v will call Cuphead extremely difficult
I weep fot the future of this board

They can't stand jappo tcgs like Force of Will, Vanguard, Yugioh, etc.

>This place has gone to shit
You're right, it fucking has. I first saw Nintendo Hard used in a magazine around 2003.
I miss those magazines. Especially the issues that came with a disc filled with demos.

>Hotline Miami
>normal is easy
>hard is fucking stupid
if you fail to pick up right weapon for next stage of the level, you have to restart the level in hard.

Fully completing Super Meat Boy IS difficult I'll give you that. The Impossible Game is just a shit game.

the lack of effort you put into this is so great
I like you user

Man, demo discs were the shit as a poor kid.

godhand on hard

/tg/ is an absolute pain to read through. They're so retarded that they thought the DSA 4e book that was translated to english represented the entire rules when there's about 6 more books for the 'core'. Then they manage to massively fuck up even those rules and not even have basic reading comprehension.
They even manage to fuck up AD&D 2e really hard at times.
Imagine being such a brainlet you can't even properly play the shit your board is about.

If you think these games are extremely difficult you're a fucking casual and you need to get off my board

Umihara Kawase
Shun is easier though

Man that game is fucking great. Good taste, user.

I make my own difficulty.

Shock Troopers, Insane, Lonly Wolf, without continues
Resident Evil 6, No Hope, without skills, without healing items
Resident Evil Revelations, Infernal, without healing items
CrossCode, without equipment, without items
DOOM, Nightmare aiming for par time
Fortune Summoners, Nightmare, without healing items though you can use antidotes
Devil May Cry, Dante Must Die, without items, without using yellow orbs, Force Edge and Ebony and Ivory only
etc

>Cuphead
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>DOOM, Nightmare aiming for par time
You're a special kind of masochist aren't you

Dude, if the game doesn't hold your hand and guide you to its end, like almost every AAA game, it doesn't mean the game is "extreme difficulty", it just mean the game is what a game should be.

I sympathize with Dobson here. Weebs are cancer.

>Isaac
>difficult
OH NONONONONONO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH WOW