When do you guys think they will stop making expansions to wow?
if classic gets even 2million subs that could be close to their current sub count on live do you think that would make them just stop and just go into patching mode with maybe some small updates?
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pretty sure classic will get more than 2 million
be pretty funny if they release next expansion for classic and leave every ones characters on live to rot.
Also just thought id remind every one who keeps saying if classic is successful that they should do TBC and WOTLK servers they already have them its called live servers and using this guy to stop your XP.. they will never do them so quit saying they will lol there is no reason to you can already do it!.
>2million subs that could be close to their current sub count on live
source?
I don't know. Why haven't they just made a World of Warcraft 2 at this point? It's been fucking FOURTEEN YEARS since this janky ass game came out
cata was wow2.
only thing we know about live sub count is that its less than 5.5mil (2015)
Probably a long time. EQ is still getting expansions (technically.) Even when the dev team gets extremely stripped down, there's decent money to be made.
it honestly probably makes almost the same amount of money it did back at it's peak now, what with $50 expansions and in-game purchases
also WoW may not be nearly as prominent as it used to be, but holy shit between Hearthstone and Overwatch blizzard must be literally printing money. Doubt they'll ever do anything drastic to upset their #3 moneymaker
Classic servers are literally a social experiment.
Blizzard greenlighted them only for players to finally snap and realise Classic was a boring chore worse than live servers in most aspects, and people only enjoyed it because of the novelty and social aspect that just wouldn't be the same today thanks to current communication tools and databases like Wowhead.
we also know that legion only sold 3.3 mil at launch but that along with the 5.5mil last reported subscribers probably means subs are about 2mil now.
So no source? okay
Whenever they come up with a successor to it.
there was databases in classic you didn't play classic.
blizzards releasing classic because it will boost their sub count that's clearly very low now.
if classic gets more subs than live it will mean blizzard will retune their next mmo or next expansion to be more like classic.
if you don't think classic was harder than ANY of the expansions yes ALL of them look at this. naxx in WOTLK had abilities that did the same damage as naxx at level 60 yet you where level 70 with 10k more health at 60 you had a dot tick 1200 on your 3k health at 70 you had a 1300 dot tick at you at 10+ k health.
there are countless facts that show vanilla was ALOT harder if you just dismiss them I suggest you play classic and find out for yourself.
So are they literally writing gnomes out of the game? It seems gnome-fags get shafted for representation every fucking time.
I mean nax at 80 in wotlk not 70.
Classic raiding with Weak Auras will put all this "vanilla was harder" topic to shame.
When people tell you Blizzard aren't SJWs show them these two images.
people like you seem to think teamspeak and wow databases where invented when you first discovered them probably in some casual expansion of wow. you realize all of the stuff you mention was used in wow classic.
the only thing you could really argue is facebook wasn't around then or youtube but there was entire sites dedicated to wow videos you do realize this?
if your saying people played wow as a social network and wouldn't do that now I don't think you understand how people interacted in wow classic it was out in the world doing real things and running into other players. just because you have facebook isn't going to stop you having to run around the world in classic.
flying mounts killed wow
Classic was not harder, it was simply incredibly tedious.
Needing to farm a shitton of resistance gear or having to gather 40 people, 8 warrior tanks among them doesn't make the bosses hard. Current 5-man dungeon bosses have more mechanics than most Classic raid bosses. And, despite the ability pruning in WoD and Legion, all classes are more difficult to play than they were in Classic.
Literally no one who has raided in Classic and the most recent expansions will tell you that Classic raids were harder or more fun.
Why is WoW lore so fucking garbage?
>Alliance
>every leader listens to the Warch- I mean High King
for a week, before people remind themselves how utterly shit Vanilla is in 2018, now that people are spoiled as fuck.
All I know is Velves are litty af.
You're making sense, get out of here.
Are they shorter than normal Belves?
exactly in 2029
when the great technology revolution happens, everything from the old era will be forgotten
When you retards stop buying them
Same size.
ask Kungen that. hes played many of the new expansions he clears all content in 2-3 months and then and max spend about 3 hours a WEEK playing them until he quits.
you do realise only 23 guilds in NA cleared naxx40....
you have no idea what your talking about. number of abilities and phases doesn't make some thing hard it makes its more interesting dungions now have lots going on but its easy.
if you think you have been playing a hard game thru all the expansions you have no clue I'm sorry.
Meh
...
Just turn all remaining Alliance High Elves into Void Elves already
"or more fun"
your a casual... you want fun content with lots of flashing things going on you don't want to wipe on a boss for 3 months. you didn't play classic.
you do realize that all content since classic has been designed to make you "feel" like your doing all the fun stuff but with less skill wow has literally been milking the glory days by making every one feel like they are as good as the early days of raiding 40man.. your not wake up call your not. your playing a easy game and worst of all.. you probably do find the new content hard because you suck.
They wont even get one million, and it will float at 100 000 players for a little while until they stay at prob around 10-20K
why only 1million cata got 12million and that was mostly classic players returning to see how much of the world they fucked up and then unsubbing once they realized how weak the game was now.
you do realise the reddit post for wow classic has 5 times more upvotes than the same post for the next expansion.
going by that metric we could see 10million wow classic subs or more.
Kungwho? In any case, have you raided in both Classic and current WoW? Do you personally know what are you talking about? Because I am.
Only 23 guilds in NA cleared Naxxramas 40 because:
>less players
>absolute chore of progression system and ridiculous pre-requisites, both quest and gear wise. Having to run every previous raid in order (which honestly is the least of my complaints), needing very very specific gear, having to gather and coordinate 40 geared and decent (not good, but decent) players, literally EIGHT warrior tanks, the most tedious class to level, for one boss
>NA sucks
Looking back at it, it really sucked. It kind of worked back then, but it won't now.
you never played classic to unlock naxx you didn't have to raid every previous raid in order.
less players? you realize there was 7million subs at naxx release? the only time the game got that high again was cata launch that peaked at 12mil and dropped off fast
you didn't need very specific gear only for the second last boss in naxx that required frost gear
you didn't play classic raiding your full of shit and your just upset that classic will most likely make the next wow expansion not happen or be retuned to be EXACTLY like classic.
Not only to unlock, but also to gear yourself.
And yes, less players. A lot less players. Servers that were not connected, with a lot less people confined to the same server, with only a very small portion interested in raiding. That left you with very few people to raid Naxxramas. Good luck finding 40 people that met the requisites: only one or two guilds in each server at most were able to do that. Or you're telling me you don't remember this? Of course you don't, because you're just sperging out all the shit you read on Sup Forums.
you said you raided in classic yet you don't know how Kungen is... your so full of shit he was the lead tank that got world first on naxx every one literally knew about him you realise totalbisket was around in wow back then you realise he memed Kungen so hard that literally all raiders and most casuals knew about him..
if you didn't know about Kungen from Nihilum then you didn't raid in classic its that simple. hell if you raided in TBC you would have still known who Kungen was... your so full of shit go pick up some welfair epics and realise your playerbase of casuals is what made the games subs drop from cata to now. TBC and WOTLK where also bad but they at least didn't ruin the games playerbase numbers because they had WC3 lore.
you didn't raid in Vanilla and probably not even TBC even from the sound of what your saying
I raided classic and I didn't know kungen nor did i fanboy follow world first faggots.
>being this delusional
Reddit are a bunch of normies who upvotes shit because so much nostalgia.
naxx40 had a boss that did 1200 dot damage a second.
naxx at level 80 had same boss do 1300 damage. yet you had 15k health instead of 3k at 60...
lol. any one who says vanilla was only hard because of time investment doesn't look at the raw numbers of damage/healing etc. it was the most tightly tuned version of wow very little compromise since then its just been about flashing lights and buttons.
walked into MC once doesn't = raided.
Cassic won't succeed, but not because Vanilla was shit- but because Vanilla's strength was the community of each server. Once you went flying mounts (no world PvP) and cross server (no server community) the game went to shit. Wow's early popularity was because it was the most interactive chat program to exist.
>mmmm bigger (relative) numbers more difficult!
you seriously think the 7+ million people that played wow vanilla did so to chat?
you don't understand dumby.
level 60 naxx40 1200damage a second you had 3k health
level 80 naxx 1300damage a second you had 15k health.
that's a huge diference its way harder at 60.
the comparison is broken anyway.
If you wanna compare high end stuff compare high end stuff, not classic nax to the welfare version of wotlk nax which was basically just a tourist raid.
Compare it to prenerf Lich King heroic or Kil'jaeden or archimonde mythic if you want to talk numbers.
3.3 million leaves it tied for the best selling expansion with Cata and WoD.
>yfw 5 million subs
TBC and WOTLK sold more than 3.3 million.
CATA WOD and Legion only got 3.3 million (first day of sales)
TBC and WOTLK clearly sold more than 3.3 over lifetime because there was 10million people playing WOTLK not sub 3.3
sure this means legion could have really high subs right now but if it had more than 5.5 they would say so.
so in reality
Vannila peaked at 7million
TBC sold around 5-6million total
WOTLK peaked at 10million
Cata sold 3.3 day one peaked at 12million
Panda was 8million or some thing
wod sold 3.3 day one peaked at 5.5 million
legion sold 3.3 day one no data
of course this doesn't count for players who don't have the expansion so catas 12million might have been 4-5million with expansion 7million without it etc.
but yer following the trends its pretty likely that legion peaked at around 4million and could be as low as 2million now.
wow private server had 1million
classic is going to overtake live lol. its a given.
Simple. When it finally stops giving them enough money to the point that the population of players will dwindle.
And knowing Blizzard and their new trend since Cataclysm, they'll be casualizing the game left and right.
Gnome, where ?
Battle for Azeroth will probably still sell 3.3million but with the drop off rates getting higher and higher each expansion since cata its likely it will drop to about 2million by the time classic is released. I also think lots of noobs that want to play classic might just buy Battle for Azeroth thinking its included when its not so I wouldn't be suprized if its the best first day sales of any expansion yet.
I guess the first day sales show that blizzard has a core wow fanbase of about 3.3 million thou its unknown how many of them actually want to play the expansions long term and how many are just fans who check it out then unsub after (clearly a lot) because the numbers drop fast.
one dev did actually say they had 10million subs fairly recently but he was quickly shut down by blizzard pr and told that was not true information. likely he was talking about 10million active users that includes users on free trials etc. which is pretty crazy that means theres like literally 5+ million people that play on free trials which wouldn't surprise me probably mostly ERP fans who just log in for a jack off and get off etc.
also in 2014 they said they had 100million accounts. if you wager the time of the expansions and consider all of it ALOT of people have been thru wow the real question is what expansion had the most turn over of new players coming and leaving so fast to generate that high number of accounts. I wouldn't be suprized if most of thous 100million accounts where from the vanilla tbc and wotlk era because that's when all the WC3 fans would have joined and found out they didn't like it and quit..... but its interesting to guess at. 100mil is alot and shows quite a high turn over of players.
Sadly we only get launch data.
The lack of sub numbers makes me think there may be retention problems. I've been playing with the same people since vanilla. I play with my family and their families as well, but there is just too much "irrelevant" game between new players and the stuff Blizzard still cares about. I'm on a really busy server, but I know there are plenty that are ailing.
It will never happen but there needs to be a WoW2.
2004 1.5mil
2005 5.0mil
2006 7.0mil
2007 sub 3.3 sales of TBC
2008 sub 3.3 sales of WOTLK
2009 10mil milestone
2010 3.3 sales of CATA
2011 12mil milestone (current peak)
2012 sub 3.3 sales of MOP
2013 8mil
2014 3.3 sales of WOD
2015 5.5mil
2016 3.3mil sales Legion
2017 ---- 4mil?
2018 ---- 2mil?
2019 possible 3.3+ sales of BOA
2020 wow classic launches
its not surprising that they are launching classic going by the trend of their numbers classic could easily get just as many players as live (after the retention problems of BOA set in)
when you look at it TBC WOTLK and CATA was where they doubled their subs from vanilla but it took them 3 expansions to make up the subs that they managed to get with 3 years of vanilla that didn't have that much casual content.
blizzard has had two ways of generating subs
firstly 7million generated in vanilla
secondly 5million generated TBC WOTLK CATA
when you consider that it took them 3 expansions to generate the same amount of subs as vanilla did all on its own. and when you consider the content in both vanilla has alot less to do than thous 3 expansions.
if you ask me they are relooking at what makes them subs and with classic they might very well decide that the hardcore content generates them just as many subs as 3 expansions of casual content and is cheaper to make... so why not focus on the hardcore
they could have literally made 5 mmos in the time they have been spending on expansions. looking at the numbers they could have generated 7million subs per mmo.. we could have wow6 out right now if they focused on making MMOs instead of extending the life of their old one.
we do get player data up until 2015 sadly we don't get data of what players have the expansion and who don't. its very likely there is millions and millions of accounts that just have active subs on them and never get the expansion or if lots of players level up and never get to end game its hard to tell. or of course perhaps gold farmers don't buy expansions but I imagine they would to increase farming speeds.