Is she right?

Is she right?

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Yes
Fuck the H*rde

Their leaders should have been executed on the spot after the Siege of Orgrimmar. Integrate the decent races like Tauren and the Blood Elves, and deport the rest to Draenor.

Yes. Varian was a fool for allowing the Horde to continue existing as it did after Siege.

Varian should've killed them all during the battle of undercity. Then again during the siege of ogrimmar. The horde only exist at this point because we're playing a video game.

>Alliance gets some shitty port
>Horde gets El Dorado
Horde wins again

Have there actually been pictures of the alliance one released

Yes

Hope you like the colour brown

Yes and even though it isn't finished it looks way better than the stupid Aztec and dinosaur shit.

literally meh

this looks unironically better than shitty brownish purple and yellow

Varian's death being Horde Treachery is debatable. Rhonin however got nuked by Garrosh so no shades of gray there.

Could be brighter but I don't hate it

I didn't see her complaining when my blood elf hunter saved her dumb ass

Alliance is not to be trusted. Theyll use you and stab you in the back almost as fast as a Goblin would.

all of the horde or niggers as i like to call them should be killed

What did he mean by this?

but the horde is the only one who betrays?
remember teramore?
remember Varian?
they're also incredibly stupid, remember when Grom drank the demon blood? knowing it would fuck over his entire tribe? Remember when instead of giving the horde to a wise and friendly tauren leader, Baine, he gave it to the hothead Garrosh the warmonger who fucked up everything and everyone on the same stupid quest for power his father had?

Theramore? You mean the city that was destroyed because it started a war? Varian, the guy too stupid to leave an obvious ambush?

based

>started a war
??? you mean the city that was asking the kirintor for help since Garrosh was marshalling a force near its gates? DEFEND the city, and then was NUKED a city full of women and children just to kill a couple of leaders, Garrosh commited an atrocity and no one in the cowardly horde stopped him
>Varian....
a great leade who saw victory and was betrayed by an incompetent horde

>remember Theramore?
I remember decades of the Horde repeatedly telling them to get their military port off their fucking coastline and repeatedly being ignored all while being attacked by random soldiers in Durotar. Fair game.
>remember Varian?
The battle was lost and so the Horde sounded the retreat. It's not their fucking fault Varian died during it, and all the people bitching should have realized the horn was just as much for the Alliance as it was the Horde. It was time for EVERYONE to get out of dodge.

>caring about this shit anymore
blizzard is dumb and can't come up with good reasons for the factions to be at war anymore

When will Blizzard give me a Panda wife?

>??? you mean the city that was asking the kirintor for help since Garrosh was marshalling a force near its gates?
Theramore started the war in Cataclysm and attacked the Horde first, before Garrosh had even done anything.

>saw victory
They were all hard fucked, if the Horde hadn't retreated everyone would have died.

Even killing Gul'dan in that moment would've been pointless, not that they could do it anyway.

Theramore was there long before the gay horde

why can't the alliance and horde just be frens

Shitty writing

Theramore was built at roughly the same time as the Orcs started settlign Durotar, but that's besides the point because only a bitch thinks who was there longer has any bearing on anything.

"Get your military port off of our coastline" is not a request, it is a fucking order, and one in a time of war, cold war, war, cold war, and more way at that. Jaina is a retard for thinking that town would ever last peacefully, and if she wanted peace she should have fucking packed her shit and left.

>be alliance at broken shore
>everyone manages to board skyfire safely
>guldan summons a massive fel reaver that grabs the ship
>varian sacrifices himself to kill it
>IT wuz da horde!
Horde holds literally no responsibility. Even if they had stayed to be wiped out on the ridge there's nothing they could have done to the fel reaver

The alliance would have been wiped out in Undercity, and they would have died to the legion if they dismantled the horde.

>Sylvanas goes full saturday morning cartoon villain and burns down the world tree because "it ensures peace"
>Horde babies blubber and come to her defense making up conspiracy theories like "Night Elves burned it down themselves and blamed it on her"

Wow, someone actually reads this shit

Remember when the Horde were just goofy green people and not some kind of honorable tribalist shit?

Those are based WK40k orks you're thinking of.

The Horde is genuinely really awful. I say that as someone who has been a Horde guy since vanilla, I don't know why Blizzard insists on them being the instigators for every bad thing that happens but it's lead to the death of quite a few unique characters like Garrosh.

Literally who cares about orcs at this point.
If you want to be a goofy green person play a goblin.

>there's nothing they could have done to the fel reaver

yup, that's because they suck

Horde holds responsibility because they were supposed to hold their line. If they held their line the alliance wouldn't have been forced into a rushed retreat and would have pushed forward because they were already at the final step one last push is all they needed. If your only argument is that "but gul'dan could have just summoned the fel reaver anyway" then my response is gul'dan could have done anything blizzard wanted him to do, why didn't he just summon a bunch of giant fel reavers from the start?

I prefer to remember the Horde as it used to be, not what it became

Can't wait to mindbreak her when she gets Orc'd

Alliance would have been forced to run no matter what. The BL had set it up so they could bring back demons that died from the twisting nether right away.

Is she right about the absolute sad state WoW has been in for years now? she is absolutely right.

The only thing that stopped the horde from being taken out in undercity was jaina freezing and teleporting wrynn away.

YOU
ARE
EL
DORADO

>metzen pulls away to work on Titan and then to retire
suddenly Lawful Good Overdrive controls the narrative and horde become the fodder faction. I doubt they're going to drop the lawful good overdrive with Anduin being destined to lead the final charge against the darkness, but the alliance is recruiting some less than noble bright people. Here's hoping they dont conform like the worgen did.

Are you actually saying that literal invaders from another world coming and telling the denizens of the land to leave their city and fuck off when they were already there in the first place is totally fine?

Horde, especially orcs have absolutely zero right in any capacity to tell another race to leave their own land. That's just retarded.

What a retarded cunt.

>Varian and 15 knights could defeat Thrall, Sylvanas, and 8 Kor'kron

>Horde lost dozens of soldiers and their Warchief at the Broken Short
>Alliance lost one guy
>their still butthurt about it

Why?

>one last push
you're fooling yourself if you honestly believe that
the named demons hadn't even gotten involved with the fight. No space ships had shown up to barrage the alliance yet. We didn't have the pillars to actually close the portal

>Oh hai mark
Jesus fuck the writing nowadays

Because guldan is a cheeky asshole and likes to crush hope

>If they held their line the alliance wouldn't have been forced into a rushed retreat and would have pushed forward because they were already at the final step one last push is all they needed.
But that's wrong you dumb motherfucker. They had no chance to do anything.

>military port
nice narrative buddy, Theramore had guards to defend itself, nothing more nothing less, the Horde attacked unprovoked, yet, military or not, this does not give you any ground to drop a nuke on human families
>the horde retreated
and nearly doomed the planet, because they were incompetent, they couldn't do the job that was asked to them, never trust the horde with anything, its leaders are always incompetent or right down evil, like Garrosh or Sylvanas

no, because that's literally what they've always been. play wc1/2

because varian was an actual character

and saurfang, and vol'jin
in the heart of a once again horde controlled city

I hope we get details on a release soon. At the least we're getting drip-fed some of the content.

Did you even play WC3 or have any clue about the Warcraft lore? Nobody knew about fuckin kalimdor so theramore couldn't be there before them.

That's not accurate at all. For ages demons have been said to have innate regeneration when killed, born again in the twisting nether and the only way to truly kill one is to kill it within the twisting nether. This was retconned only recently in the argus patch to being demons only regenerate because of antorus. They've never been able to instantly regenerate a demon.

>the Horde attacked unprovoked,
Does it feel good to be wrong user? I can only guess that's why you keep doing it.

Theramore attacked first. Half the fucking Horde zones on Kalimdor show this.

>and nearly doomed the planet,
The only reason the planet was saved was because the forces at that battle retreated instead of getting themselves wiped out.

It doesn't matter, they had no way to close the portal and stop the Legion reinforcements from pouring through.

Would have liked to see how the alliance would have handeld those spaceships lol

>narrative
sure buddy, still no reason to drop a nuke
>retreat
if they did their job, aka, hold of some thrash the war would've ended there

>flat out making shit up

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My money is on wrynn

vereesa just wants to fuck sylvanas

>Theramore, city of Humies left alone by the Horde as long as the treaty is held
>start importing humans and creating keeps all along the Horde territory
>start attacking hunting villages and razing them to the ground
>be mad when the Horde retaliates
Always.

But they are sister, both girls and Sylvanas is a corpse

How can theramore have attacked first when 99% of their army is over on kul'tiras?

Varian would have carried the Alliance to victory? unlike thrall? who was in the floor crawling while Vol'jin got 1 shot by some random felguard or Velen would've put a light shield or something

So?

again, we had no pillars and an endless supply of demons on the other side.

>commenting on lore when you don't know both sides
maybe vol'jin was a stretch as he was still on the surface, but saurfang comes in literally right after jaina saves varian's ass

They only gave him a character right before he died which is typical for blizzard I guess. Unless you count knaak's fanfiction as character development

>sure buddy, still no reason to drop a nuke
>lol don't bomb a military base that attacked you
Alliancefags everybody.

>if they did their job, aka, hold of some thrash the war would've ended there
Fucking explain how then user.

>we failed
and then almost fucked everyone up just to keep the safety of 5 people, your shitty cowardly leaders

Theramore and Kul Tiras were separate entities, the town had it's own military.

Varian would have stopped Gul'dan and ended the war before it had begun by closing the portals oppened by Gul'dan
>muih military base
it was a city, that you nuked, killing civilians, nice narrative tho

Jaina is one of the most powerful mages to have lived. She can nuke orgrimmar and vast majority of the horde anytime. Yet you think it's a stretch that alliance wouldn't have obliterated them at the undercity?

I'm not going to argue the plot wasn't written to make the horde look like shit so the alliance looked better by comparison, but its dumb to try and claim we ever had a chance or that the horde is to blame at all for what happened

then stop defending the Horde, instead, be mad at blizzard for writing your leaders as turboshitters

>Varian would have stopped Gul'dan and ended the war before it had begun by closing the portals oppened by Gul'dan
How could he close the portals when they didn't even know the pillars needed to close them existed yet?

>it was a city, that you nuked, killing civilians, nice narrative tho
Nigger the book in which it was bombed explicitly spells out how all the civilians evacuated before it was destroyed. And maybe if Jaina doesn't want her people in danger she shouldn't launch multiple fucking invasions into Horde territory.

Reminder that the orcs not going back to draenor, now that AU draenor is there, just proves that they actually don't give a shit about their planet and all they want is a reason to genocide other races.

Most of the current day Orcs were born in Azeroth?
Why would they want to leave

and Thralls a powerful shaman, and Sylvanas is a former ranger general, and Saurfang is a great warrior
and Varian's a bitch nigga that sat on his depressed ass for years and spent like 6 months as a gladiator to ape Thrall

MAYBE he could have killed Thrall, but he wouldn't have gotten out of there alive.

If all the civilians were evacuated then why the fuck would ronin sacrifice himself to save as many remaining people he could? Did you just forget that part or something?

Not their timeline, not their Draenor, there are literal copies of some of them. They'd be going to a universe where the burning legion still exists, without having the pillars to stop them.

And most orcs weren't even born on draenor nowadays.

who says AU draenor would take them? they have just as much as a right to stay in kalimdor as the spacegoats.

See: retards who don't evacuate when told to evacuate

Because a huge chunk of the Alliance military was there you absolute retard.

remember that time Jaina created a final solution the Blood Elf problem in Dalaran?

Remember when Jaina was removed from the council?

she's gonna be a fun raid boss

ITT: everything my faction does is justified and everything yours did wasn't

For all the shit writing blizz has, you guys are just as terrible ignoring blatant things because it doesn't suit your side of things and you want to be in the right. You guys are just as terrible as blizzard.

No, i mean jaina is actually legitimately powerful. Comparing jaina's magic capabilities to people like fucking sylvanas and saurfang is like comparing a bug to a human. Only thrall would even have a minuscule chance at doing anything at all.

Because they wanted to finally kill Rhonin for being a deviantart knaak self-insert. Probably the best decision they had.

>"but her killing fleeing civilians was a bug"
>she melees shit in cavern's of time but her casting fireballs on npcs is a bug

Only raid boss will be your bitch queen

>Be Orc
>muh noble savage, muh just want land to live on
>A portal to your home planet in the past opens up
>Where the bad evil demons who your race claims to fucked you over have all being defeated
>And uncorrupted Orcs live in harmony with the Draenei
>Still hangs on Azeroth
>Still partake in wars
>Your precious faction is being led by an undead Elf who has been portrayed as a selfish bitch over and over again in the lore

If uncorrupted Orcs are added to the Alliance, the Horde will be the biggest meme in the history of video games.

dream on alliancelet