First game is an extremely loved, extremely polished...

>First game is an extremely loved, extremely polished, mature storyline that plays on old JRPG tropes in order to defuse them almost immediately, allthewhile managing to make a beautiful, expansive world despite the limited hardware
>Second game is an experimental multiplayer-but-not experience and a callback to older titles in designs and theme, sacrificing writting and character depth for world depth and the re-introduction of mechas

>third game is literally just a fad of the month anime gacha bait with the oldest, most basic tropes in anime played out straight on your face, literal harem baits, screaming uguuu lolis and a total ripoff of previous, unsuccessful anime series with the exact same theme, writting, storyline and characters seen 99999 other times, with a world full of ridiculous, overblown postprocessing, terrible art direction and acidic colors everywhere

What did they mean by this?

xcx switch when

XC2 = XC1 >>> X

Xenoblade 2 is the Persona of the xeno series

most XC2 fans think the most important thing in the game is which girls are in Rex's harem

Xenogears > Xenosaga 3 > Xenoblade X > Xenoblade 1 > Xenosaga 1 > Xenoblade 2 > shit > Xenosaga 2

>First game is an extremely loved, extremely polished, mature storyline that plays on old JRPG tropes in order to defuse them almost immediately, allthewhile managing to make a beautiful, expansive world despite the limited hardware
But fuck the side quests and affection system.

really makes you think

I'm not allowed to think, user

Aww. It’s a designated bitching thread about “muh game”.

You haven't played any of these games Eric.

I plan to enjoy the butthurt XC2 has created over the next few months. Thank you for the daily dose.

Sup Forums never has enough bitching. This place is a bar for people to spill their woes upon

Don't even bother, nintendo continues to burn their integrity for money. Even their flagship shit is starting to have cross dressing in it.

True xeno fans bailed on the series even before xenoblade 1 came out, knowing that because of meddling and ambition the games would never turn out in the creators vision, and while the xenoblade games may be the most "complete" of the series, its bastardized in another form instead.

But because nintendo drones have marked their territory on the series, it is now no longer possible to discuss it outside of waifus or "u mad" tier shitposts.

Because that mediocre shit is adored by casuals, the biggest market in gaming.

Join the club weeb boy, this has been happening to the west for years now.

It means normalfags ruined the series after they saw "le feeling it man" in Smash Bros.

Sorry sweetie it's actually
Xenosaga 3 >= Xenogears > Xenosaga 1 > Xenoblade 2 > Xenoblade X > Xenoblade 1 > Xenosaga 2

Your whole post is nothing but angsty bullshit. There are plenty of communities outside of Sup Forums to go to and have a decent discussion about your favorite games. Your problem is you're trying to discuss the games on a board teeming with children and retards that obviously makes it difficult to find and have real discussions on it.

Am I really old, or you're just too young to remember how much the first Xenoblade got critized for it's "shonen-shit" scenario and characters ?

But where does the shit go?

How did we go from this

>Xenoblade does that stupid Marle from Chrono Trigger twist but only with one character who turns out to be some bastard child used to counteract inbreeding
>Xenobade 2 pulls that "lol I'm actually secret royalty/noble/high ranking official" twist like 3 times

Well, user? To what?

There's like no screenshots of the dialogue in google images so i gave up

Its means.
>You fags dont buy the second game.
>Well shit time to change shit up since last time was a total bust
>Breakout the cliches and shit.

>affection system
>Xenoblade 1: give Melia a hundred dobercorgis so she'll be your best friend and will do a Heart to Heart with you
>Xenoblade X: grind support missions to build affinity (disclaimer: support missions unlocked after chapter 12, after you already had to grind affinity for story chapters)
>Xenoblade 2: give Praxis a hundred cakes so she'll let you get her sister
let's not have an affinity system. keep the bestiary/collectapedia and make them show where things are while giving blurbs on enemies/items instead

didn't Bart and Fei basically reply to this with "we don't care holy shit just fix our robots"? maybe that's just what I was thinking during that whole underground desert segment

Well yeah Fei & co. had some pretty retarded lines (save for Citan) but there's some good quotes in the minor characters

Sidequests were fine. XC1 had the benefit of shoving a lot of basic "Kill X" or "Gather X" sidequests at you in each town and you only needed to clear the few that you happen to bump into on your journey to have a good supply of gold.

XC2's side-quests are worse, they drag on too long and most barely have any actual combat involved.
Take the quest to get Vess an an example, you have to run around fast traveling, doing several completely mundane things, its just chores.
Plus, aside from the few sidequests with rare-blade core crystals, there is no decent reward to doing any of these since salvaging is the way to make money AND raise dev points.

You do quests to get affinity points to not feed a thousand cakes every time

SPBP

>make a game about mechs
>mechs are the least interesting thing about the game outside of acting as glorified cars
why

There are only so many sidequests and only a limited number of blades that can earn the trust from them. Going with it being a first playthrough that would be a maximum total of 8 blades that can earn trust if you bother changing them each time

>preferring "Kill X" or "Gather X" sidequests to anything
>especially side quests are are stories of their own
Nah.

I like it. Giant robots should sometimes be just giant robots and not plot points like in Eva or Metal Gear

Ahh, a Europoor.

XB2 is just a soft remake of Xenogears

Better than being unable to

They really fucked up on the combat system for skells.

I hope they give having robots and people on the same field another go. I'd hate for them to only using giant robots as bosses/cutscene material a la XB1/2 because they didn't get it right in X.

And they still need to give me the gun that fires the pilot as ammo from Xenogears as a super weapon.

>extremely loved, extremely polished, mature storyline
Tanks was the best game on the wii, Iwatapologist. Xenoblade was a boring, stereotypical JRPG with decent voice work from ONE GUY whose character and story was nothing atypical or layered.
Also that goofy ass sword at the end lmao.
Cool setting wasted on stark mediocrity, accompanied by shit gameplay.

You faggots are insufferable

t. loved XC, loving XCX and looking forward to XC2

>that goofy ass sword at the end lmao.
Such enlightening critique. I’ll just proceed to not take you seriously.

>with decent voice work from ONE GUY
You mean Shulk? It's so weird to see so many people constantly mentioning his English VA. I played in Japanese and almost all the actors stood out, honestly

>decent voice work from ONE GUY
I liked Fiora and Reyn too for their accents but to be fair their VAs were just reading their lines

>that questline where the Gormott kid after being drafted to Mor Ardain army gets involved in political intrigue involving his long lost father fighting against the empire for the sake of a mysterious organization led by Blade, who turned out to be a double agent and the real boss was a Don, who turns out to be Bana's father
>those quests that arise from your actions in the main story, including, but not limited to: unrest in Torigoth caused by destruction of the water tower, refugees seeking help after Indol crashing into the world tree and people seeking to build new educational facilities in the post-Amalthus world
>that questline uncovering the truth about the Nopons
>not to mention most of the Blade quests
I don't think there's anything wrong with XBC2.

>first game is extremely polished, and a mature storyline

have we played the same game?

>"Let's rip evangelion off line-per-line, fans are too stupid to notice!"
How right they were.

>mature storyline

No it wasn't. It was adolescent as fuck. And it was the greater for it. Fuck this mature bullshit. Being "mature' doesn't automatically makes it better.

I know how it is, man. I love all of the Xenoblade games, as well as all of the mainline Zelda games.

We do exist, we're just obviously not as vocal.

It took them 4 games to finally not fuck up mech combat in turn based battles (xenosaga 3), so lets hope it doesn't take as long

>first game is extremely polished

>that shitty combat system
>those horrific early ps2 graphics

i tried to play it at the start of last year and stopped at the first heart to heart

I'm curious, how serious does XC2 get? Because with the first game I also thought I was just about to play a simple "let's live an adventure!" story until the game basically kicked off with a girl being devoured by robots

Non-shitpost answers please

>tfw love hina is 20 year old

You haven't played XC2 yet. It's worse in almost everything than XC1.

Is this board affected by mass hysteria? Nobody seems to remember what PS2 games looked like

Wrong.
XCX >> XC2 >>>>> XC1
shulkfags need to kill themselves

I'd say starting with the first chapter, but the end pulls everything together and lets you see the whole picture. The game has lots of great themes and a lot of serious stuff happens, most people don't seem to be able to see it though, perhaps they are so used to shallow stories in games or JRPGs that they fail to notice the depth.

Depends on how serious you can take it from the start. It begins with "Hey maybe that place will solve all the problems" then quickly turns into "let's go there for a girl that Nomura rejects want"

>cant remember easily emulateable stuff
stop being a delusional faggot XB1 looks like complete shit, the faces have the eyes stickered on top, look at jak and daxter if you want to see ps2 graphics, somehow it doesnt look like dog shit

check baldurs gate dark alliance for amazing graphics

Keep crying XB1 fag

No it isn't, it's the other way around eric.

>all these salty non-switch owners
Xeno 2 is great, it sold well and theres nothimg you can do about it

Yeah see, first thing you mention is emulation, the PS2 didn't look like the modern emulated equivalent, not to mention ignoring the fact that a PS2 would never be able to handle a game as massive and busy

>mature storyline
Xenoblade 1's story is extremely standard, unoriginal cliched, anime as fuck shonen/JRPG hidden behind god-tier writing.
>that plays on old JRPG tropes
Mid-00s are not old.
>defuse them almost immediately
No it doesn't, stop pretending Xenoblade 1 is a deconstruction. It plays entirely on tropes.

>fad of the month
If it were a fad it would be more popular
>anime
Xenoblade 1 was just as anime
>basic tropes in anime played straight otu in your face
Xenoblade 1 was exactly this too. Ironically though, to counter your previous point about Xenoblade 1 defusing tropes, Xenoblade 2 actually does this multiple times.
>literal harem baits
Don't pretend Xenoblade 1 didn't have a love triangle.
>screaming uguuu lolis
Talk to more NPCs in Xenoblade 1, also Takahashi's included generic lolis in other Xeno games.
>total ripoff
Xenoblade 1's story is shonen 101, as is Xenoblade 2. Xenoblade 1's plot elements have been done over and over again even more than Xenoblade 2, Xenoblade 1 just doesn't seem as cliched because it's better written, despite having an even more generic plot than Xenoblade 2.
>storyline
Xenoblade 2's story's actually original, unlike Blade 1. Xenoblade 2's
>characters
Xenoblade 1's main cast are as deep as a puddle outside of Melia, Shulk and Fiora. Xenoblade 2's characters are the most developed and involved since Xenosaga.
>terrible art direction
Don't pretend the character designs and models in Xenoblade 1 weren't ugly either. Xeno fans thought it looked hideous when Xenoblade 1 was first announced.

>Xenoblade 2's story's actually original, unlike Blade 1. Xenoblade 2's
Xenoblade 2's writing is just worse****

Even if it was you're talking about a pretty high standard, it wouldn't make the game immediately bad in my eyes. But the thing is that when you start bitching about harems and anime that's the moment I stop taking you seriously

I loved it at the time but in hindsight it's the reason why harems and spineless self-insert MCs became popular, it was a fun ride but its influence really harmed the industry.

yes probably not, hence why they didnt make it for ps2 because it would have had horrible graphics

also the 360 and ps3 werent out which instantly makes the XB graphics even less impressive, the game looks like dog shit, even with the "HD texture pack"

also
>ps2 emulation makes the games look better
>wii emulation doesnt bro you cant even compare

na open your eyes

I'm not saying either of them are bad. And why does everyone here talk only about cliches and harem, and don't discuss gameplay elements which are also something to decide how good or bad a game is?

>terrible art direction
Producer literary apologized for not being able to get decent human character

I don't fucking know, ask OP

The game is intentionally written to be anime, it's intentional to make themes and ideas fly under the radar while it's "moe" approach, a term distinctly used by Takahashi is very intentional because the games themes rely on the slice of life approach. Just because the things the game does fly over your head doesn't make it bad.

For example the destruction of Tornas Titan by the Indoline Praetorium is symbolic of the destruction of fertility gods and localized land worship by organized mass religion.

I just want Malos to be the MC. Or is he?!?

Nah, but I like Rex enough. Just wish he were smarter at times but he is 15.

I never implied Xenoblade 2's writing is actually bad, I just said it's worse than Xenoblade 1's writing.

Xenoblade 1's writing is absolutely god-tier, even though its more guilty of being unoriginal than 2.
Xenoblade 2's writing is just really good.

Okay fine, I guess I just took it this way because of the retarded shitposters in this thread.

Maybe the last stretch but the first part is

>Find Mysterious Girl
>World religion suddenly brands you a heretic
>Well gee willickers I wonder what the twist is going to be?

>>Xenobade 2 pulls that "lol I'm actually secret royalty/noble/high ranking official" twist like 3 times
>it's a wacky character who has H I D D E N D E P T H S but because this is Takahashi the depth wasn't hidden at all, so you end up having to wait for him to stop acting like an idiot
why did you take so long to join you piece of shit

Xenoblade was one of my favorite games ever.
X sucked, too much grinding.
Haven't played 2. Not even sure I want to.

No, see, XC2's sidequests are honestly great. On the same level of quality as XCX's. It's the main story in XC2 that's total shit.

>On the same level of quality as XCX's.
I disagree, both on a gameplay and story perspective. But they are much better than those of the first game, also by virtue of being 120 rather than 480.

>tfw everybody on Sup Forums warned me about Hikari being a tsundere
>expected a shitty nu-tsundere who's only tsun for a few hours and goes full "i love you rexuu" dere for the rest of the game
>instead her entire personality seems completely like classic 80s/early 90s tsundere that wouldn't seem out of place in the original dragon ball or ranma
>she barely even goes dere
???

>>unrest in Torigoth caused by destruction of the water tower
>they keep bringing this up in cutscenes like I'm meant to feel bad about it
Morag violated the NAP by trying to arrest Rex, get fucked water tower.

Morag can violate my NAP any time if you know what I mean.

>I just said it's worse than Xenoblade 1's writing.
XC2 dumps all over XC1 as far as technical writing competence goes. XC1 whiplashes hard when it switches away from the Mechon Genocide part of the story, while XC2 gradually turns from light-hearted character drama to more serious.
It also does a much better job of integrating a much bigger cast into the narrative, only Dromarch is a pointless hanger-on. In the first game everyone aside from Shulk, Melia and Fiora could lift right out.

Hikari?

X is a completely different beast, sequels will greatly improve the story they are trying to weave with X. Xenoblade 2 is excellent, it's well worth playing if you like JRPGs in general, if you like Xeno it's a requirement.

Mythra

I see, but yes, you are right

I'm not sure I follow.

I don't really care for JRPGs, Xenoblade was an exception.

What does the average water level in Amsterdam have to do with anything?

Morag can insert a small, elite unit of special forces beyond my borders, if you know what I mean.

Xenoblade 2 is a good game in general, if you liked the original the second is better in many ways, and it's arguable which one has the better story.

The most important thing in any game is gameplay. Which out of the three games, XC2 has the best.

People who don't like XCX are subhuman and need to leave.

>expect hot spring scene to be filled to the brim with fanservice, perverts ogling and misunderstandings
>it's just female characters a normal discussion
???

I can't even be mad about hot spring scenes since it's been a staple of Japanese writing for centuries

The change to combat made me look away immediately.

Nah, it's good that pleb filters exist.

Combat's probably the most involved of any Xeno game.