Time fades even legend, and the origin of the Soul Reaver has been lost long ago. But its purpose remains - to feed on the souls of any creature it strikes.
Kindred, this blade and I.
>Quote from LoK: Blood Omen upon discovering the Soul Reaver for the first time
Oh, only if you knew, Kain.
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Vae Victis - suffering to the conquered. Ironic that now I was the one suffering. Not anything as pedestrian as physical pain. Rather the cruel jab of impotent anger - the hunger for revenge.
I didn’t care if I was in Heaven or Hell - all I wanted was to kill my assassins.
Sometimes you get what you wish for.
The Necromancer Mortanius offered me a chance for vengeance. And like a fool, I jumped at his offer without considering the cost.
Nothing is free - Not even revenge.
I'd love to see this game remade
really liked the first game, but never cared much for the 3d ones.
Blood Omen was so much ahead of its time
>Rainfall could occassionally hurt Kain as water was like acid to vampires
>The game tracked day and night cycles - you were weaker during the days and stronger during the nights.
>The game tracked even moon cycles, and during full moon you were at your strongest
>The game had 100 secrets and kept track of them
>As the game progressed, Kain's vampirism intensified and the advantages and disadvantages of vampirism were amplified (like the day/night thing)
>There were tons of different spells and you could masquerade as a human to blend in
>Drinking the blood of the undead would hurt you, as it was spoiled
>Drinking the ghastly blood of enemies you had slayed in the past would refill your magic instead of health
>You could turn into a werewolf, bat and mist forms
>There were several different armor and weapons including maces, axes and a variety of swords
Is this guy deified? Because I only play games about characters that are deified.
Very much so
>Dude the blue guy with wings actually represents Kain
>wtf? so where's raziel?
>he's the sword
I liked LoK but this was retarded. Might as well outright admit that the prophecy was bullshit invented by moebius
btw someone remade the entire Blood Omen soundtrack as part of a remake project
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>HD remakes of every game
>except the good ones
Never ever. Hold me, lads
What the fuck happened to that tweet Crystal Dynamics made? Where they just trolling? Its been 5 months
No, Raziel is both of them
I'd prefer a re-imagining over a re-make to be honest.
It would do good as a 3d zelda-like (like darksiders) or maybe even a souls-like
same goes for Chakan
That's kind of negated by the fact that Kain is the true prophesied hero isnt it?
KAIN
IS DEIFIED
I don't remember that being the conclusion.
The murals depicted the Redeemer and the Destroyer. Raziel can turn out to be either, depending on whether he redeems or destroys (Very aptly named, see) Kain. So Kain might be the hero, but Raziel was always both Redeemer and Destroyer
At least, that's how I remember it. It's been some time
Would have liked to have seen more games in the vein of blood omen. The worlds of the other games felt empty.
The very end when raziel decides to sacrifice himself to purify the sword.
He says something like the true savior was always meant to be kain, and raziels destiny was to be there at his side, as the sword
RAZIEL, YOU ARE WORTHY
Makes sense, since Kain was destined to bring balance to the pillars, but was shorthanded by some fate shenanigans. Raziel basically made sure that Kain would be able to complete his destiny.
Just to back it up, why would him being the sword in the mural make it seem like Mobius made it up?
Cool Elric fanart.
Post your favorite cutscenes
>Just to back it up, why would him being the sword in the mural make it seem like Mobius made it up?
Because the hero in the left painting is a blue guy with wings.
I thought the implication was that moebius just went back in time and made up fake "prophecies" to influence people into doing things. In this case, to influence Raziel into killing kain instead of helping him.
So does blood omen 2 ever become good? I just got that stupid stone that blocks the soul reaver, but this is quite possibly one of the worst games I've ever played. Vorador being alive still triggers me, the artstyle is garbage, the combat is aweful and boring, kain doesnt say shit or even laugh during combat, the dialouge is generic as fuck and really holds back Simon Templeman's performance, all the boss fights are boring, and the whole story itself just sucks, and I'' be eternially pissed off that all his cool powers and gear from BO1 are inexplicitly gone, and replaced with a jump power that barely works, a strong attack, a strong 5 hit attack, and mist that only lets you be invisible while standing in steam.
I simply do not understand
you just posted it
is that still going on? I haven't followed it for months
Blood omen and Soul reaver are about big strong vampire men who say INDEED and THUS a lot while stroking their immortally impotent swords that penetrate through time, place, and each other. Forever.
And it was all written and masterminded by a woman.
Kain is heavily inspired by Elric, as is most dark fantasy.
Nope it's best avoided. It was supposed to be another game that they slapped the Legacy of Kain name onto.
I dunno about others. But I dropped Blood Omen 2 like twice the first time way years back when I first played series and I tried going back to it to finish it I dropped at roughly the same spot.
Blood Omen 2 was a mistake.
>I thought the implication was that moebius just went back in time and made up fake "prophecies" to influence people into doing things
Far as I know, the prophecy was made by the ancient vampires, long before Mobius was even born, and he never tampered with it. They depicted the vampire hero in the manner that they did simply because that's the way the ancient vampires looked. The other was the Hylden hero, who looked like the Hylden at the time.
Raziel gets to decide who he will be the "hero" for, by either redeeming Kain or destroying him. Raziel WAS the hero the prophecy spoke of, and the whole Kain hero business was just referring to his original balance guardian destiny.
Or hell, it could be two-fold. If Raziel chooses to be the redeemer, then Kain also becomes the redeemer. Same with destroyer
>long before Mobius was even born
If I remember correctly, he can create time portals to summon dinosaurs, so I doubt he's limited to travel to things in his lifetime
The original vampires looked like that, so they're obviously going to think their messiah looks similar.
They can't remake this game.
They would need to find a way to use the old audio and the gameplay would need as much of an overhaul as the graphics.
Yeah, that's true. Still, he never had access to any of the chambers with the murals in them, since they could only be accessed with the Reaver (and I guess he couldn't wield the Reaver in that manner). Mobius never intended for Raziel to see all the murals that he saw in Defiance, since that was an alternative timeline made by the end of SR2, which wasn't a part of Mobius' original plan
>gameplay would need as much of an overhaul as the graphics.
the gameplay of the first is great and remains my favorite. I just want an HD remake with HD crystal clear audio
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>the gameplay of the first is great
Nigga, come on...
I think what you like is the multiple abilites and the zelda-like levels. The actual combat mechanics really aren't all that great. The hit detection is off, and you can only attack in four directions, If I recall
>tfw blood omen isn't on GoG for some reason.
Legal problems
you both are fucking idiots
Raziel kills Kain in the first image, in which the heart of darkness is freed
Kain kills Raziel to purify the blade in the second image
both instances came true, not one or the other
This is correct. Although they probably just forgot. Does anyone remember why and how Kain survived getting his heart torn out and being thrown into what is essentially hell?
>Does anyone remember why and how Kain survived getting his heart torn out and being thrown into what is essentially hell?
Didn't they basically handwave it with some bullshit excuse like "well hes the balance guardian so he cant die"
>you both are fucking idiots
Why be rude about it?
Besides, my point was that Raziel was both the Redeemer and Destroyer, which is entirely correct
This. But without the plotholes and change shit like Moebius so he makes sense.
Yeah Amy Hennig said:
"His nature as the Scion of Balance allows him to survive."
>Why be rude about it?
autism
Funny that being the scion of balance didnt protect Ariel or any other balance guardians before him
but it did?
Ariel was bound to the pillars, unable to pass on
Yeah, the wiki doesn't say anything either. This is pretty much the only plot point I forgot, as it turns out I only forgot it because it's nonexistent and bullshit. It's probably the low point of the series as far as writing is concerned.
Honestly, wouldn't it be easier to just say that Kain remains alive because the heart still beats? Same as for Janos himself. Of course, then that would mean Kain would also have to be comatose, but THAT could then be handwaved by his guardian status, making it a bit easier to swallow
I want a good vampire hunter D game
Kain is the only Scion of Balance.
>those fucking axes + the blood drain armor
>just wade into crowds spinning to winning
I had a dream years ago I was playing a 3d platformer blood omen remake of sorts. Kain could jump really high. Didn't look open world more like 3d marios. For a real blood omen remake I say keep the isometric zelda design but give it a modern facelift if they want to stay true to the original and not spend a lot of money.
Yeah, Moe was a fucking retarded mess:
>Described both in-game and by Hennig as "near omnipotent."
>Has vampire-paralyzing staff.
>Never has it in BO1 however.
>Has a completely different staff throughout BO1 for some dumb fucking reason.
>Only has the paralyzing staff sometimes anyways.
>Dies by Kain's hand in BO1 timeline.
>Seen immediately after mocking Raziel before resurrection is established. Hennig: "Whoops!"
>A Timelord that creates the Time-Streaming devices, Time-Streaming Chamber, and the Chronoplast.
>Leaves them intact knowing full well that Kain will refuse the sacrifice and that Kain will use these things in the distant future to plunge himself and Raziel into the past—Moebius actively arms his opponents with the means of his own undoing instead of marooning Kain in a dead future.
>Knows the entire sequence of events from Soul Reaver 1.
>Never questions why he is dead permanently in those circumstances despite the Elder being present and able to resurrect him.
>To sum up, Moebius' plan was to start a vampire genocide by employing Kain as an assassin which he knew would lead to his death in the following melee and that Kain would damn the pillars and eventually unearth the Soul Reaver in the form of a resurrected Sarafan Warrior in the distant future and then the two would travel in the past to engage in a mortal struggle of Vampire/Hylden Scions for basically no good reason.
>Leaves them intact knowing full well that Kain will refuse the sacrifice and that Kain will use these things in the distant future to plunge himself and Raziel into the past—Moebius actively arms his opponents with the means of his own undoing instead of marooning Kain in a dead future.
That was the point, though. He needed both Kain and Raziel at William's chapel, so that Raziel could finish him off. This would ensure that Raziel would be imprisoned in the Reaver by the end of SR2
Ariel and Kain is a mess and one of the jokes of the game:
>Ariel dies.
>Kain is immediately born as a replacement.
>Ariel is bound to the pillars—but none of the prior Balance Guardians were.
>Kain dies in Coorhagen.
>No replacement is produced for some reason even though he's given full funeral rites and interred into his crypt.
>Never explained.
>Mortanius is somehow able to wrest his soul from its fate, even though he couldn't reproduce this with Ariel's soul which is still bound.
>Mort does this despite being possessed by Hylden spooks and they allow him to produce the Vampire Scion.
Why willingly arm Kain with any possibility of winning? Why does it matter if Raziel is imprisoned in the Reaver if Kain isn't around to use it?
They could it least say "Well, we need this version of the Reaver!", to give them the motivation to go through with it. Moebius hands out quite a few versions of the Reaver throughout the series.
Imagine
>Ariel is bound to the pillars—but none of the prior Balance Guardians were.
I think that's because of the traumatic murder
>No replacement is produced for some reason even though he's given full funeral rites and interred into his crypt.
That's because of Kain's unique destiny as the scion of balance, which is entirely different from just being the balance guardian. He had yet to finish that destiny.
>Mortanius is somehow able to wrest his soul from its fate, even though he couldn't reproduce this with Ariel's soul which is still bound.
Kain dying would be him being wrested from his fate
>Mort does this despite being possessed by Hylden spooks and they allow him to produce the Vampire Scion.
I'm pretty sure that it's explained that Mortarion did this of his own volition, by taking temporary control of himself.
But you're right, user. I have never seen a time travel plot without some plot holes, and LoK is no exception
>Why willingly arm Kain with any possibility of winning?
They don't? They never thought that Raziel would actually end up not killing Kain
>Why does it matter if Raziel is imprisoned in the Reaver if Kain isn't around to use it?
Because Raziel is the only guy in the entire world that can fuck with their plans
The previous Balance Gaurdian was a vampire that was possibly slain—Ariel, Mortanius, and Moebius all were appointed during a time of unrest and war against the vampires and themselves refused vampirism.
Scion if Balance, I guess I can accept that, but this is more of the "Well, he didn't need Janos' heart after all" sort of plot bypass.
As for Mort's abilities to do something like that, although I wouldn't be surprised, a couple more bullshit handwaves would have helped here.
Mort doing that by choice is perfectly believable in BO1, but is a hard pill to swallow in Defiance when you see his sorry state and complete lack of control. I guess this could just be bad pacing.
Moebius leaving all of his time shit intact instead of smashing it up was basically giving Kain an eternity to formulate his stupid coin-edge plan.
What's the best way to play it nowadays? I finished Blood Omen 2 but never got to play 1.
God, Kain is so hot. I wanna suck his dick.
don't forget all the fucking items too
The only real bummer about the game nowadays is the fucking atrocious inventory surfing in a game where you're always swapping spells, weapons, and armor, and tarots.
On the PS1 it was torture due to the horrific load times.
Also, Kain could only attack in 4 directions.
Other then that, I would legit love to play a remaster of this game with the same gameplay.
You make a good point. Why would Moebius need Raziel to kill Kain in the past, if he could've just never allowed Kain to go back in the first place?
Maybe I'm forgetting some plot point that explains exactly why future Kain needs to be got. I mean, the pillars were fucked, and it would only be a matter of time before the Hylden could get back, right? Isn't that what Moebius and the Elder God wanted?
Then again, maybe Moebius simply had no choice in the matter. You have to remember that by Soul Reaver 1, Raziel is already inside the Reaver, which means that Raziel and Kain had gone back in time before. Since Moebius can't directly change fate, maybe he had to do it with some finesse. Who says he is even capable of destroying the time travel champers?
how was the Vampire Hunter D playstation game? was it not good?
>As for Mort's abilities to do something like that, although I wouldn't be surprised, a couple more bullshit handwaves would have helped here.
Well, he was the death guardian, after all
>but is a hard pill to swallow in Defiance when you see his sorry state and complete lack of control.
By that time, he was nearing the end of what his body was capable of handling
I hear that the clans tell tales of him, but few know the truth.
Nah the Hylden are ultimately two bit players and ignored by the Elder God.
I don't get it.
The best I can see is that they needed the Purified Reaver, because the one Kain originally found in Azimith's lair probably only had a portion of Raziel's soul. Why they need it, it's never said. Moe/EG don't seem to give a single fuck about the Hylden for the most part.
Even weirder is that Vorador was the one responsible for intially breaking the binding by attacking the Circle—to avenge Janos, who's chief motivation was stewardship the Circle and keeping the Hylden at bay. It was misguided.
I don't know how long after Ariel was slain by the possessed Mort (to further weaken the Binding from the Hylden's side or to reset the circle?), but it's shown her murder is shown in the same cinematic.
Even weirder is no Hylden in Soul Reaver 1.
>"Sorry I killed you Ariel. No, I can't bring you back. But I can turn THIS GUY into a vampire. You see, he's not just a Guardian—he's a Scion."
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Its not bad. Worth a playthrough. Good story and decent voice acting for the time. Gameplay isn't great but it was one of the first 3d action games before dmc.