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garbage language

i'm trying and you can't stop me

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no you didn't know english retard

Accurate
Waste of time. Granted, I'm learning it too. Should have tried an easier language though. Fucking kanji is brutal to learn

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Most are.

Can anybody defeat her?

>tfw dropped down to only 20 new words a week
Don't be like me anons, "i'll skip just today" is a slippery slope

surely there must be a faster way
I want to play my VNs within a year

>20 per week
bruh I do 10/day even with college and I feel that's not very much

>learning a written language based on symbols in under a year
Don't worry user, you can surely do it, it's definitely possible

reminder that if you spend more than 45 minutes in anki per day you're never going to make it

I know this feel user. I started learning about 6 months ago and said "hmm, I'll go for 20 words a day". After the first 2 months, I got discouraged and stopped learning for about a month and was debating whether I should drop Japanese. After a month I got nostalgic and said "I'm not a quitter, I'm going to do this!" Now I'm playing catchup, going at 40 new cards per day (plus review) to try and hit my 6k card goal for the end of my first year.

You can make it user, I believe in you!

there must be a way to turbocharge your brain or something like if I learn on Adderall and monster or something you should be able to speed up enough

Can I get recommendations of games that are good to play in Japanese for each of the N1-5 levels?

It actually is somewhat possible. If you're a NEET and have the tism, you can grind out 100 new cards a day, for an over 30k vocabulary by the end of the year. Granted, your speaking and listening will still be pretty fucked, but it is possible

>want to replay a game in japanese
>there's no kanji

AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH

What's the best anki deck to use? I have one installed but I'm not sure if it's the best for the job.

I'm using Core 2k/6k. What are you using?

Is core 2k just kanji or vocabulary?

this.

I don't get this whole "grinding out vocab and kanji" thing I see here all the time. Once you gotten passed learning kana, particles, and basic sentence structure, can't you just like, read Japanese shit everyday and look stuff up as you need to?

Any good vidya or VNs to play in Japanese as a beginner? I'm getting tired of just grinding my deck and want to try to put what I learned so far into use

I'm just around N4 level after a year of learning.

その気持ち

If you don't have a decent vocabulary and try to read something, you'll be looking up every word you see and won't be able to actually read.

It's vocabulary. What do you mean by kanji? Like a deck with only single kanji as each card?

vocabulary

I suggest kodansha kanji learner course for kanji

That is what I meant. I don't like decks like that.

BITCH

remind me to never pick up a context-language again

Thanks I almost forgot my Anki reps

I must warn you though, that the Core 2k/6k deck does have some weird ordering in terms of which cards it finds most relevant. For example, within the first 1k, you'll come across the word 不動産屋, which means real estate agent. Supposedly, the ordering was determined by word frequency in the news (probably financial news). However, it still gets you what you need to know once you're done with all 6k

I thought most people used kanjidamage over heisig?

Reminder that if you use anki at all, you're never going to make it

How beginner? Pretty much all Nintendo games range from really simple to not too challenging, being aimed at kids. You could also play some SNES JRPGs or something like that. Or some PS1 games if you want something likely more complex then that.

I'm not super familiar with VNs, but I think as a general rule you're more likely to run into obscure words and phrasing more often in adult computer VNs than in all ages console VNs.

>"using flash cards is stupid"
Please explain yourself
>inb4 learn Japanese through watching anime

>not learning japanese by browsing deviantart's comment sections
b-baka

Grammar is the only part I'm having trouble with and everyone says it's the easiest. Been playing Dragon Quest X a lot though so that is definitely helping, still a bitch though

>he hasn't become fluent in Japanese yet by reading the labels on his clothing
You won't make it lad

I miss the /djt/ threads on Sup Forums

someone should make one based on word frequency in nukgies

>once you're done with all 6k
You should stop at 2k and start reading

>WHOOOOOOOOOOORE!

GODS I WAS FLUENT THEN

I have considered this route, as others have suggested it. However, I also read some posts that reading was very frustrating until around 7k words or so. I did try reading a bit actually at around 1k, but it was proving difficult since I haven't went through grammar yet. Do you think I should switch to grammar at 2k, and start reading after that?

really should be doing both. asap

>Read it as Aniki reps

I did those too remember to get fit its what he would have wanted

I gave up.

Honestly, if you want to take the dip but aren't 100% confident you can handle the full load, just learn Kana. Knowing that alone is massively useful considering anything in Katakana half the time is a fucking English word. If you wanna go a bit farther though, Duolingo's course just takes you through what it considers conversational essentials.

If VNs and imports aren't your life blood, don't bother with this old ass, convoluted as fuck language that only one country speaks.

Weeb faggots

>don't bother with this old ass, convoluted as fuck language that only one country speaks.
Seconding this. If you want to learn a foreign language just to learn one, then go with a romance language (assuming you only know English), as it takes about 1/3rd the time to master one of these language than it does Japanese, Korean, or Chinese. If you really want to learn Japanese, you better brace yourself

Is there even a point in learning it if I wanna go to Japan?

I'm pretty sure the tourist spots know English

What languages have you learned

You should at least learn a bit so you don't have an anxiety attack

try to learn pt-br
it's fun

My little cousin is norwegian and uncle.

Why would a learn such pigspeak

>make a perfectly comprehensible set of characters that can construct just about every word in the language
>lol no replace them with incomprehensible alien scribbles with seemingly random distribution on which words get one and which don't
I started trying to learn around a month ago and this meme language is fucking horrible.
The grammar is ass backwards. There's over a hundred unique characters with specific pronunciations, half of which are inexplicably used for words with romanic roots, and the other half with entirely japanese words. There are specific characters that change pronunciation or meaning entirely depending on context like は/わ or お/を used in two different contexts for yet again seemingly no reason. Kanji is kanji and I don't need to say anything else about it.
How do japanese kids learn this garbage without getting brain cancer? I keep hearing about using this anki thing but I don't know if I even have the mental fortitude to get remotely close to learn it properly up to at least reading level. I'm just about sure I will never be able to get to hearing comprehension and even less to speaking it.

I haven't opened Anki in a couple months, but I'm almost done Genki 1

I'm just a busy lad. This summer, I swear. I'll start drawing, going to the gym, and REALLY learning nip. Hopefully something fucking sticks

So is Rosetta Stone complete garbage? What do I use to learn moonrune

why wouldn't you

>replace
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the Island of Nippon had contact with Latin

I'm really a language bigot. The squiggly languages are fucking stupid, the omission of vowels is miserly behavior on the part of semitic tongues, Chink languages with their pictograms are ludicrous when you have thousands of characters (or even hundreds). Gendered nouns are obnoxious too.

People make a big fuss about English having no rules or too many exceptions for rules but they don't know anything. Fucking french has onerous rules out the wazoo but then an absurd amount of exceptions. And the complexity of it, christ above.

English to be:
>Infinitive, Present Participle, past Participle
>Four variations (1st person, 2nd person, 3rd person singular, 1st/2nd/3rd plural)

French to be:
>Present imparfait futur passe compose passe simple plus que parfait passe anterieur futur anterieur
subjunctive variations of the above conditional variations of the above participle past participle.
>first person, second person, third person singular, we, you formal, they

And fuck understanding them is hard as hell. They swallow their last syllables so much it becomes this sonorous murmur.

I don't think he was talking about the alphabet.

On the bright side, the variety allows unbelievable flexibility within the language.
Also so many aren't even used in conversation, like futur simple.

djtguide

>learn moon
>use it to further my career and move to Japan
>now live minutes away from Akiba and get to enjoy all the games, anime and manga I want
But to be completely honest, most people here are too stupid to learn another language to a useable degree, especially subhuman spic and SEA monkey ESLfags.

kek

Grammar and repetition of sounds is easily the most difficult part. If anyone says kanji is the hardest part, they literally know no Japanese and probably don't even know 1000 kanji.

I'm just gonna wait for machine translation to get good.

Any day now.

>repetition of sounds
Wot? Are you talking about pronunciation?

This. Learning Jap is the ultimate test of whiteness

What does こうか mean? How about せいこう?

English has become the universal tongue pretty much, a person that doesn't know english is guaranteed to have marginally less opportunities in life in every aspect, have it be work, socially, entertainment, etc.
I myself know spanish and english, the latter being essentially self taught by videogames and the internet. English has quite a reputation of being a weird hodgepodge of rules and exceptions that don't make a lot of sense many times, but these come almost naturally as you learn it.
Japanese though (or any asian squiggly language really) has a massive barrier at the very entry, the gargantuan convoluted mess that is the basic alphabet of theirs can throw off anyone. Learning words is part of learning any language of course, but with japanese you have to learn the hiragana and katakana chart down to the T first and foremost, then memorize the word, and then memorize the kanji that more often than not it has. And if you don't know what a kanji means, good fucking luck trying to look it up in a dictionary.
It's a nonsensical mess, and it's amazing people are able to learn such a mess of a language to begin with.

Not even a year deep and I'm already comfortably playing through JRPGs. Thanks for reminding me to do my reps, though.

If you are complaining about kanji you haven't even begun to learn japanese. And you're fucking stupid

Which jrpgs?

Idea no Hi and FF6: T-Edition romhack, both on SNES. Of course, I have Kanjitomo open at all times to mine words I don't recognize, but as far as just playing the game and figuring out where to go and what to do, it's pretty easy with minimal knowledge.

not video games

This, christ almighty

If he's less than a year in, he's probably playing Pokemon or early FF games and understanding a little less than half of what's being said.

>learn kana 5 years ago and read TK
>do bumfuck nothing ever since
It's true

>it's amazing people are able to learn such a mess of a language to begin with.
Its not too bad to learn if you already spoke the language from birth. For example, if you were born knowing Japanese, your brain would only need to perform a single mapping:
>Japanese word -> Kanji
But if you you weren't born knowing Japanese, then it's totally fucked the mapping your brain needs to go through
>English word -> Japanese sounds -> Japanese word -> Hiragana -> Kanji

I'm really at about 9 months, so you more or less got me there. I can get the gist of what's going on most of the time, but there are some sentences that I can't understand even if I look up grammar and vocab. But, it's motivational to put what I've learned thus far to use and feel like I'm getting actual results.
The main problem is when someone starts slurring all their words together and as a result it all comes out as Hiragana with no Kanji. That, and dialects or every time Sabin and Cyan speak with their weird accents and vocab. Don't know where to start with learning that kind of thing.

I-Is that blood spread?

I know where you are because I used to be there. I just didn't want people thinking a year of study (even rigorous study) is enough to just pick up and play a jrpg and follow it. As for accents, it's just practice and asking friends. If you don't have friends to ask, you're kind of fucked because you really need to be able to ask "What does this mean, and how's it compare in tone to the normal way of saying it?"

Of course not Chinatsu is a good girl

>every kanji has like a dozen readings
what the fuck is wrong with japs
no wonder they have so many misunderstandings

You remind me of when I tried Jojo 5 after a year or so of learning. Just roll with it.

Kanji literally clear up misunderstandings, you dumb motherfucker.

Yeah, that's more or less how it goes, so I'm not gonna let anything get me down. A few months ago, I tried Monogatari (kek) and got annihilated, but after I spent a few hours with it, other LNs seemed so easy to understand. I'm just gonna not worry about things and keep reading and mining until I'm powerful.

>you dumb motherfucker
no shit, I CAN'T LEARN JAPANESE FUCK THIS LANGUAGE

>tried Monogatari
Jesus Christ user. Don't even attempt to read that until you can pick up any jrpg and clear whole thing without having to look anything up and can understand all the lines with relative ease.

dealing with homophones is part of any language. Remember how many meanings the three letters "bow" can have?

2? 3 if you are including bough for dumb reasons.

time to hit wiktionary, big boy.