FINAL FANTASY XV - DENUVO kills 16% of performance comparing DRM-free demo

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>literally punishing the people who paid for your game instead of pirating it

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wowie

All games are like this. Piracy has been the only way to play scince the 90's. Cracking games so they could run better off the hard drive.
Now it should be like: Rip everything & put it in the best engine. No movies. No undesirable music.
Probably get the money if an OpenEngine was started. Read other engines assets and instructions. Combining gameplay & incorporating your favorite games into one game world. Edit out everything you don't like.
PC isn't meant to be another way to be spoon fed bad medicine.

LOL @ the fucking faggots that said denuvo doesn't affect performance

go kill yourselves you fucking corporate-dick sucking faggots

What proof?
People in that same thread as reporting it running the same as the demo...

Is this real? What the fuck.

Poorfag much its just 1fps less i still hit the target of 144 and with gsync i could care less, keep playing on your pleb console or on your toaster you dirty poorfag

Works fine on my rig ;^)

>hello I suck corporate dick *gobble gobble*

I have doubts about those claims but given the nature of modern anti piracy measures it's not impossible either.
Though performance for 90% of users is fairly binary: You either reach the desired frametime target at all times or have to lower settings until you do. Fluctuations are what make people uncomfortable, not a constant framerate. As such there's the case by case situation: Is the loss from any anti-piracy solution high enough to make the game end below the desires FPS target (usually 60fps) or is does not not have any real-world impact because it still runs above (60) anyways?

People in that thread actually saying they gained performance. Fucking kek. They do it for free.

>proof
False news, not even any images to back claims.

What it might cause is for people who've bought the game to start seeking to play it without the anti-piracy. And cracks can cause unpleasant issues, such as come with malware or decrease stability.

Actually denuvo increased my performance

Wait a second. Can I just replace the full game's .exe with the demo's .exe and have the game run as if I was using the original .exe?

>People in that thread actually saying they gained performance.

fucking LOL

Well, ideally the publisher would remove the anti-piracy measure at some point in the future to ensure long-term support and availability of the software once sales have died down but in times when people buy remasters and remakes there is little incentive to allow everyone to enjoy your works 10-20 years down the road without buying them again.

Fake news

Fuck SE. This game runs like dog shit even without Denuvo.

shill

If steamspy's data is true and this game only sold 100k, that was a pretty sad result. They probably got fucked over with the crowd that hates denuvo ignoring the game, and the crowd who likes to pirate shit simply pirating it.

FFXV simply isn't that good. Even on consoles it sold so-so considering the huge marketing and hype.

Big if true. I have a RX470 and the game could look so much better. Waiting on new cards/price drops before I can upgrade.

and the fact the game is shit

>no proof
lmao

MGS:V and nuDOOM say hi

>a guy said something i want to believe so it must be true
The state of this fucking website.

all me btw

AC origins performance hit by the anti-tampering stuff was pretty significant and widely reported.
Why would it be surprise now?

It's getting the same fps on my PC, what the fuck are you on OP

>still
>n
>o
>proof

Why the fuck would I care if it's true? I just want Denuvo to suffer

That's not what keeps people away. The reception on consoles was mixed so people are hesitant to buy a port that comes 2 years late.
Now consider the insane hardware requirements - the game doesn't look great enough to warrant high-end hardware to play well. If you want to run this at 1080p without reducing details you need a GTX1080 or Vega64 which under current prices means having a 1000$ GPU. If you want a higher resolution than 1080p and the high res textures you need a TitanX for the insane VRAM requirements as not even the 1080ti has enough. It doesn't get more insane than that for a game that has low poly world environments and little movable objects or foilage on the screen. A 70GB download (without high quality textures) doesn't make this any better.
They were aiming for the top 1% of PC users in hardware and getting 100k sales on a game without release hype is pretty good.

Piratefags always trying to feel less guilty about their crimes, every fucking day.

game-debate.com/news/22656/denuvo-pc-performance-impact-tested-doom-benchmarks-with-and-without-denuvo-drm

now what is your next step in your shitposting plan?

>buying any post-squaresoft final fantasy
kek
get fucked you mongoloids

yeah too bad there is no proof of that either

Denuvo doesn't effect performance, lots of games have shown this

The link in OP doesn't show any proof either

Ding ding ding. Smelly pirates, a group whose opinion factually does not matter in this debate, want Denuvo to fail.

>game-debate.com
I have no reason to trust a kid who runs a literal who website is capable to properly benchmarking. If this were true, every major geek site would be all over it. The fact that they are not and that you need to dig up this shit tells me all I need to know.

"A quick disclaimer before we get into this. A lot has changed since we did our GTX 1060 Vulkan benchmarks in July 2016. There has been literally dozens of new Nvidia drivers, any of which may have a positive (or negative) impact on DOOM’s performance. DOOM itself has also been patched, another factor which may affect performance. To that end, we do not know for sure the results of this benchmark are directly indicative of Denuvo’s performance impact, but they do at least form some sort of guideline."

>My Laptop's Hardware
>Laptop
Fucking dropped. Denuvo is shit and I pirated the game, but seriously listening to ANYONE gaming on a laptop is retarded. Can someone with proper hardware do some tests already? (I would if I had the game purchased.)

this best one was that indie game
>indie game gets released with denuvo
>IT RUNS LIKE SHIT AND ITS BECAUSE OF DENUVO REMOVE IT REEE
>devs remove denuvo
>game still runs like shit

>Me (29/10/2017, 10:53:56): whilst im here, is there any word on a fix for the high cpu usage alot of people are having?
>Me (29/10/2017, 10:54:14): and the ability points have been added thank you very much
>NigelB (29/10/2017, 10:56:20): You're very welcome. We plan to address this in a future update to the game.
>Me (29/10/2017, 10:56:41): oh so thats a know bug then? awesome!
>NigelB (29/10/2017, 10:58:30): it certainly is. Once we have more information on our upcoming update(s), it will be posted on our forums.

Theres just a mystery "bug" that increases cpu load, that will be fixed in the future at some point possibly.

>people defending denuvo

lol nu-Sup Forums is such a pathetic fucking shithole
fucking 12-year-olds. What do you gain from defending corporations?

Rime was just an unoptimized mess, even on PS4 it wasn't so steady

the '''''''cracked''''''' release isnt the same as the final release, for example all royal edition content arent available

It's comparing two different builds that doesn't even have the same content, the demo build and the final release. Inconclusive at best. You would need to test the same binaries, one with and one without denuvo for an actual test.

Works on my machine

It's not even comparing the same binaries dummy.

nuDOOM has Cryengine 1 and 3 Mechanicus devs and had fucking carmack to work on the Engine, also Id knows how to optimize shit

Fox engine runs on Kojimas

>streamspy

It's not about defending or shitting on corporations. Not everything has to be black or white. Denuvo is wrong for a whole lot of reasons and I pirated XV. But how do you want anyone to believe some random faggot gaming on a freaking laptop, not using a proper benchmark protocol before drawing conclusion?

Show me a clear tests between both version, using proper Desktop hardware.

and also Doom 2016 removed Denuvo later on

>whilst im her

Why? I don't need facts to shit on Denuvo. If in doubt, I just make something up to shit on Denuvo. idgaf if it affects performance, its still shit.
I don't need a reason to hate on Denuvo.
Sup Forums as a whole should be shitting on denuvo with no exceptions, it makes no sense to defend denuvo?

nudoom runs good because its a corridor shooter and very simple and primitive
mgsv runs good because its a x360 game made for currentgen

none of those are any kind of achievment or anything special

MGSV is extremely low on resource demands, and they actually integrated that shit properly, so any hit from Denuvo was unnoticeable.
DOOM got rid of Denuvo after it was cracked, and the performance gain was very noticeable.

>performance gain was very noticeable
*on vulkan
*with ayymd

If Denuvo stops retards like you from playing games I'd happily sacrifice performance. Thankfully I don't have to, since Denovo's only real weakness is that it still isn't perfect at stopping piracy.

Fucking kek

*On my Nvidia 1060, with OpenGL.

nudooms runs good because it's programmed really well, especially on vulkan. They did a really really good job on that front. You wouldn't know that though, you probably never coded a shader in your life.

Piracy is a-okay. But making shitty excuses for it is not. Example shitty excuses and rationalisations that make you seem foolish:
>i-i'll buy it if i like it
>i wasn't gonna buy it anyway!!
>the dev has this or that opinion!!
>drm ruins performance i'm sure!

Sup Forums is the only board that defends this kind of shit

no it runs well because its a very simple desr shill
come back when its has huge ass maps and graphics like Battlefield with Siege's destruction and lets see how it runs then
oh right then shitty engine couldnt even handle it probably lmao

nudoom has no physics, no destruction it has nothing, super simlke and primitive fucking COD2 has more going on

Those are all true circumstances, mongoloid

Solution: don't support shitty companies like Squeenix and don't play shitty games like FFXV

>still no proof
lmao at piratecucks

>Making excuses
Who fucking cares anyway? What level of autism do you have to give attention to this unnecessary details? What's the point of discussing this?

Anti piracy for dummies:
God Tier-Terrabytes of game world, so downloading isn't viable. Sell hard drives filled with the game, any leftover space filled with older games and work in progress/demos.
High Tier-Accept payment on site & allow user to specify what elements they wish the money to go to eg musicians. Paying unlocks uncensored content and let's your multiplayer id work with official dedicated server. Also employs the artists to expand the game world or continue in another project. Pay for them to read your input. Gain access to abandoned projects and concepts. Download your preferred version eg pre-downgraded. Customise your game with content that was cut out due to size constraints, difficulty, too different/neiche etc. Download directors cuts, made by the artists responsible for what you liked the most. Pay to download engine tools and/or have things implemented in the engine. Pay to have engine optimised further. In short pay for their way to continue.
Middle Tier-Pay for hardware specific optimisation so hardware is used fully regardless of settings chosen.
Low tier-Pay for hardware to develop for the game engine/artists tastes. Hardware designers and manufacturers advertising on site their progress in tailoring future hardware towards the engine and future engines style. Game artists working largely for the hardware companies, or starting their own.

No other board talks about vidya so that makes sense

Fixed.

Good thing no one will use your shitty edit because of how wrong it is.
Sup Forums is and always will be the only board to get anally devastated at piracy, because it's full of corporate cucks and shills.

You don't understand what optimization means. Doom 4 runs exceptionally well for what it's actually doing under the hood. They leveraged vulkan (which is an api that delegates responsibility to the programmer a lot) very well. I feel like I'm talking to a 12 years old who doesn't know shit so it's probably a waste of time.

Knowing that I'm right is more than enough for me.

Every game with Denuvo ever has had a ton of reports saying that Denuvo drastically lowers performance.

Keep trying to convince yourself of that if it makes you feel better

I got a one week ban from the ffxv steam discussion. How do I find out which community moderator it was? I noticed there are few other people who suddenly got banned and they didn't do anything in particular. I suspect the moderator is a swedish leftist who just didn't like the subjects or posts instead of doing real moderation. Do I need to make a ticket about the issue? I believe the ban is unfair.
However back to the game: it's great and compared to PS4 it's now finally playable. Game ran like shit on PS4 but now I'm able to get 60fps locked with 4k textures whatever.
It hasn't actually proven the game running speeds are different. If some moron posts something and claims it's faster I don't believe until I see a controlled benchmark.

>people
Read well. These guys are hired to do this job. This is not paranoia such companies exist only for the sake of advertising in forums, comments sections, imageboards or wherever there is visibility.
I was hired to advertise almost anywhere there were discussions of Overwatch or I was ordered to orientate people towards liking the game through various means like adapting myself to "forum slangs" and identifying what good qualities people of each community like to attribute to the games they loved. Then I would falsely advertise or promote one mechanic that could potentially raise interest, and if there wasn't any I would highlight something close to it. If someone trash talked the game with valid points I'd argue with them first by saying that they'll be updates, samefagging and changing my writing style to make you think that several people unironically supported my arguments, creating new accounts believable enough to post with on NeoGAF...And I was only paid 350$ for 6 months Anyway I ended up liking this place more than any other site I've done my shilling so now I'm casually shit posting with you guys.

tl;dr : a vast majority of people defending something that is clearly unacceptable for gamer standards are paid shills

Oh yeah I forgot the obvious but exploiting waifu faggotry and lewd pictures was the weapon of choice of course

You mean cherry-picked anecdotal reddit user posts while we never actually had a single game we can compare denuvo to no-denuvo with the exact same binary?

...

Pirated it, probably won't finish it because fucking HELL is it boring.
Also not that impressed with the visuals, but I guess it doesn't run like complete and total shit.

I heard it's better than XIII, at least. It's probably a very mediocre game, but I'm interested in the aesthetics and the gay trip theme.

I tried the benchmark on my PC (I have the 1080 Ti) and indeed it couldn't keep a steady 60 fps, but I have to admit that it was very pretty. They shoved in a lot of NVidia proprietary tech which is usually decent eye-candy, at the cost of utterly destroying performance on AMD hardware and even older NVidia cards. Anyway, I thought it looked good and justified the requirements a little bit. If it runs that bad on 1080p the problem's serious. But turning all the NVidia shit off probably helps a lot.

>run benchmark
>works
>run demo
>works
>run game
>doesn't even fucking launch

thanks for the refund Steam, fucking SE is awful

Arent there enough cracked denuvo games to make a comparison on performance differences?
Just saying a demo runs better than the full game doesnt say much. Especially if the demo is just a performance tool that runs by itself

actually I did
same settings as the demo, nets me around 5-10 more fps. finding the tradeoff is the game crashes more though

Cracks typically don't surgically remove Denuvo.

Game crashes because your system overheats. I haven't had a single crash.
Performance gain is due probably because the optimized drivers were released a while ago.

Eh I bought both to check.

i7 3770 @4.0GHz turbo.
MSI GTX 1080 8GB
16GB DDR3

Monitor: 2560x1440 @60Hz

Steam edition unlocked framerate with 4K textures on max settings/shadows on low, Nvidia turf, hair on and Shadowlibs vxao off.

Averages 55fps. Lowest was 45 in battle, highest was 64

Windows edition same settings
Averages 66fps. Lowest was 56 in battle, highest was 76fps.

>better than XIII

Nah, it's really not. Certainly not as a Final Fantasy game.

Like XV's open world and bro aesthetic make it fun to play sure, but it's so patchwork. There's so many things missing and everything they're changing or adding is just making it worse.

XIII in each entry was a completed game with a completed artistic vision. It wasn't patchwork and like them or not, you got what you expected from them.

>1fps is 16% of performance
Do you Intel GMA?

Cracks just reroutes denuvo calls to the server. It's still there.

it's not a heat issue, my temperatures are all in normal operating range

Prove it. What they do then? Denuvo contacts the publisher's server and then decrypts the game data constantly.
Microsoft's DRM is similar: game data is encrypted and it's being decrypted when the game runs.

You clearly don't have any idea how compiled code works so how could I?

Those drivers were there for the demo

Where is the evidence?

Ok, thanks for clearing it up

Reading Steam forums there are lot of idiots who don't even know how to install afterburner/rivatuner. I thought you were one of them. I'm sorry famalam. :^)