So, some games really do hit a point where they become "too anime", but this doesn't express why thats a bad thing

So, some games really do hit a point where they become "too anime", but this doesn't express why thats a bad thing.
I think we can all agree that there is a point when a game becomes "too anime", and it will only appeal to true weebs, but at what point does a game cross this line?
How do you quantify just how much "anime" is "too much", when does a game cross that line from just being made in Japan to becoming weebshit?

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When normalfags complain about it.

Fire Emblem, for example, has always had an anime art direction, but for a long time this was never a problem. At some point, however, the games became "too anime", and now they only appeal to a certain type of weeb, rather than being able to appeal to anyone that likes SRPGs,

What was it that changed in Fire Emblem to take it from being a Japanese game with an anime art direction to being weebshit?

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Moe-shit has and always will be cancer

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Moeshit basically.

>When normalfags complain about it.

>anyone that has standards is a normalfag
you know, not all anime fans gobble up any shit put in front of them just becuase it has giant anime tiddies, purple hair and big googly eyes right?
Some people still expect their anime and manga to be good

It's not really anime that's off-putting. I think most people can tolerate most anime atheistic just fine. It's the the newer cultural shift in how those characters are defined and portrayed. I guess it's all preference but anime now feels more one dementional than it's ever been. You just can't escape the moe, idol, highschool stuff no matter how hard you try.

>anime atheistic
Whoops meant anime aesthetics.

>I think most people can tolerate most anime atheistic just fine. It's the the newer cultural shift in how those characters are defined and portrayed.
I think those tropes and cliches are still lumped into "anime" as an umbrella term, I'm not so sure that when people say "this game is too anime" they're only talking about the art direction

The moment idols and frilly dresses are involved, the game needs to be purged from existence. The idol obsession in japan is disgusting.

>All of the characters with actual good designs are just nameless NPCs
>the only characters you get to actually recruit are little anime girls
I was so fucking mad when my general was some weird fucking waifu character that never stopped doing some gay cliche anime shit where she acts shy and embarassed all the time.

I sure do fucking love when every character boils down to being a one dimensional waifu archtype.
Now that Fates has saved Fire Emblem we get great characters such as big titty ara ara milf, or innocent loli sister that is in love with big bro, or the tsundere tomboy, these are exactly the types of characters I think of when I think about political struggles and war in a fantasy universe

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Quality goes beyond superficial shit like that

the fact that you missed the point that hard is impressive

When you do dumb cookie cutter shit from actual animes or have a beach episode you have become too anime

When you do anything from XC2 you have fucked up and went past the point of no return

>tfw really fucking liked Xenoblade Chronicles X but can't even get through a trailer for Xenoblade Chronicles 2 without subconsciously trying to mash the start button to make the gay shit stop already
I JUST WANTED TO EXPLORE BEAUTIFUL HAND CRAFTED ALIEN WORLDS, WHY DID THEY HAVE TO MAKE IT SO FUCKING GAY

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What did I miss?

Um, fpbp once again.
>I hate games that are stylized and do their own thing
Then don't play Japanese games, fag

You have it entirely backwards.
That post says nothing about hating an anime JUST because it has some big tiddied girl, its talking about liking an anime just because it has some big tiddied girl.

Anyone that has ever been into anime even a little knows that there are some real autistic weebs out there that will love anything that looks like anime just to prove how much of an otaku they are.

If a game has an anime style you can't say its bad no matter how shitty it actually is because one of those fags will crawl out of the woodwork to try and shame you for not being a massive weeb like him and loving all anime unconditionally regardless of whether or not its fucking stupid.

>anyone that likes anime games is a weeaboo
This is how you sound like right now, you know. If you don't like the games, literally don't play them.

> just becuase it has giant anime tiddies, purple hair and big googly eyes right?
If these things bother you then why are you playing a game with it? Just seems like you're playing games with things you don't like and then complaining.

>He doesn't like this one thing?
>THAT MEANS HE HATES ALL ANIME AND IS A NORMALFAG REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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That has nothing to do with the OP. An anime or japanese game being “too anime” is a ridiculous notion that says nothing about the quality of said anime or game.

>An anime or japanese game being “too anime” is a ridiculous notion that says nothing about the quality of said anime or game.
Thats why the OP said >but this doesn't express why thats a bad thing.
We all know that "too anime" is a thing, but no one can really describe exactly what it is.
No one actually means "it looks too much like an anime and I hate animes!"
Being "too anime" is something much more specific

When it crosses the line is when it becomes clear that the developers have stopped trying to make a coherant world and instead have just shoved in a bunch of marketable tropes and designs that will be big with demographic X or Y, the two biggest examples are fire emblem and valkyria chronicles.

Fire emblem went from designs that you would find in a japanese copy of a dungeons and dragons book, the kind of dragon magazine/lodoss war/slayers type of look where aside from silly hair, big capes and the odd skirt thats a bit too short the outfits feel practical to actually wear for long periods of time in a way that the more modern games (with their heavily stylized form over function outfits that focus on creating a strong and unique silhouette and looking cool/pretty/interesting) don't
Likewise valkyria went from a setting that was clearly the look of europe somewhere between 1910 and 1940, only with a bit of sci-fi tech that led to wacky prototype designs actually being possible, improved medicine, and a handful of superpower characters as a story stand in for nuclear weapons to a more and more sci-fi superpower series, leading up to a game where teenagers fight giant spider mechs with oversized swords supposedly being in the same series.

a common argument that can be made for both of these series is that they were always "anime", and it's true that fire emblem has stuff like an unarmed teenager with a katana slicing massive armored knights in half and valkyria has silly stuff like a swimsuit episode where only the men have period appropriate swimwear while the girls have something more sexy, and that's what makes this whole topic a bit touchy. The exact line of when it becomes "too anime" is a bit hard to specificalyl track down because its never one specific thing that marks it as the end, but a death of a 1000 cuts that slowly takes away any sense of a unique setting or culture for something that's much more mass market appeal.

Because it wasn't always a series that had that stuff on this level? That's like saying if you smoke you should be fine with smoking an entire pack at once because they're both going to give you cancer

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That game in particular went full anime and it was still fantastic. Going “too anime” isn’t a problem in itself if the content is good. It only becomes a problem when it replaces content.

Except that in the case of xenoblade 2 it absolutely did replace content because now the focus is on which sword(female) diver shota will kiss the most and one of the biggest trends in the industry (waifu gatcah games) are a mechanic instead of literally any other way to obtain and power up party members

>Going “too anime” isn’t a problem in itself if the content is good. It only becomes a problem when it replaces content.
But one of the big appeals of Chronicles X for a lot of people was the world and art direction which they would enjoy less since the overall art direction shifted towards something entirely different.

We went from building our own gundams and making big cool sci-fi weapons to playing the waifu lottery

There's "anime" in a good way and "anime" in a bad way.
For instance, if a game keeps powering you up but the gameplay itself is just the same with bigger health and damage numbers? That's bad Anime.

If a game gives you the option to be ridiculously stylish, but it's based on your skill, that's good anime

It was Xenoblade 1 with deeper combat and weapon mechanics, I don’t see the problem. It was clearly not going to be a Xenoblade X style of game.

It's like this OP.

It looks like the anime I don't like, or it looks like anime I like.

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I love anime, I love anime games, and I especially love that normalfags will never taint them.

>and I especially love that normalfags will never taint them.
Its kinda sad if you think only normies hate weebshit

star ocean 5 was censored worldwide

Here's a crazy, wacky, coo-coo bananas idea for you:
Have you ever considered that, if you don't like foreign media and visual tropes, you have the option to not play foreign games? You probably shouldn't be playing them anyway if you don't like foreign culture.

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>I love anime, I love anime games, and I especially love that normalfags will never taint them.
Where have you been? They already have, and have been doing so since, like 2014.

good its trash

>>He doesn't like this one thing?
>>THAT MEANS HE HATES ALL ANIME AND IS A NORMALFAG REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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When it has too many of the negative aspects of anime; for example, "panty quest 5: little girl who is totally 1000 years old edition" is too anime while "Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 3" isn't.

I mean, OP is quite literally complaining that some Japanese-made games are "too anime".

Literally huh? Not ironically? Can you even right now?

b-but if you don't like lolis you aren't allowed to fit in here?
I thought everyone was supposed to unconditionally love cartoon children

This has to be satire.

Please read

I made a handy guide to help you figure out if your game is too anime

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What the fuck happened to Medabots?

>What the fuck happened to Medabots?
obsessive otakus

>we'll never get the 3DS Medabots games

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So "Too anime" just means waifus?

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I think this is more to do with the west hate for anything cute, or just code word for anime or tropes people don't like. Otherwise there is no such thing as too anime, that just sounds fucking retarded.

I think it means "Not enough penises."

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>I think this is more to do with the west hate for anything cute, or just code word for anime or tropes people don't like
I don't hate cute things, I just think they're not cool at all and don't appeal to me.
When all of the characters in a game are little anime girls, I don't think "aw thats adorable, I can't wait to play as these little girls" I think "thats a damn shame, this game looked so cool otherwise".
It doesn't help that lolifags are so obnoxious, they're pretty much the weeb version of furries and bronies and they can't keep their weird ass fetish to themselves.
I really don't give a fuck if someone likes jerking it to cartoon kids, they can do what they want, but the fact that they shove it down everyones throats and if you tell them to fuck off they just screech about how you're a normie.
Really makes it that much harder to just ignore the lolis and enjoy the game anyway knowing that every thread about the game will be flooded with those faggots dumping their lewd folders in every single thread

too anime means not having any kind of passion for your game but just putting demographic appeal characters into it to make $$$, waifu/husbando are just a symptom

Rogue Galaxy is a perfect example of something going "too anime" Story starts off with a grounded premise and characters that is very enjoyable, then the farther you get into it there's evil clones, ancient power because the MC is the reincarnated space god, DBZ style yelling, flying, bright hair and all that shit.

I get were you're coming from, but too anime I feel is just a crappy phrase that doesn't really explain much. I just think it's lazy, and that people could express their ideas in a better, as even in this thread there is a bunch of different things people mean by "too anime."

>but too anime I feel is just a crappy phrase that doesn't really explain much.
I completely agree, the problem is that we just don't have a better phrase yet.

There are a lot of games that are "too anime" for a lot of people, but just saying "I can't get into it, its too anime" doesn't tell anyone anything about why you don't like it and it just ends up with people going back and forth with shit like "FUCK OFF NORMIE REEEEE" "NO YOU FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING WEEB REEEE"

I'm really surprised a more specific phrase for this sort of thing hasn't sprung up yet. "weebshit" is close, but it still doesn't really say much and too many people use it just as an allpurpose term for any game with an anime art direction.

We have terms for different levels of anime fans, there is a clear distinction between someone that likes anime and some wapanese weeaboo kid that watches literal trash just because its from Japan, we really need to eventually find some terms that work in this way for games as well

I'm ok as long as there isn't a hot springs KYAAAA scene involving 2 childhood friends while either an old pervert or an oblivious kid is present or any bullshit similar to that.
Overdone cheesy japanese tropes completely break my immersion but I can take a couple. I'd say my limit is something around Valkyria Chronicles or Trails in the Sky, I liked those games despite the bullshit.
I don't mind anime artstyle for the most part.

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if it re enacts anything from Love Hina.
it is weeb shit.

going "too anime" is only bad when the series wasnt saturated with anime cliches and 40 year old japanese "humor"
imagine a hypothetical jrpg series; its rooted heavily in D&D and all the armor, aesthetics, plot and characterization
fans love the series because japan does western stuff better than western devs
now hypothetical jrpg 2 is being shown off
the first character is in bikini armor with erect nipples who goes KYAA ONII-CHAN DONT LOOK AT MY PANTSU BAKA HENTAI and slaps a teenage boy protagonist with shaggy brown hair and stupid looking armor
if you have no problem with this theoretical scenario you are a nu-fire emblem/xenoblade/valkyria chronicles fan

Xenoblade was Shounen anime as fuck, you retard.

yes it was, but it still wasnt bloated with glowing bikini armor, tits everywhere and a literal BAKA HENTAI scene like 2 is

t. Normalfag

>leading up to a game where teenagers fight giant spider mechs with oversized swords supposedly being in the same series.
Wasn't that game a spin off?

Woaaaah so cool! :^)

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Yeah, 1 scene that was BAKA HENTAI. You're just a retard who can't handle anything with sex appeal.

This is what you're looking for, OP. Xenoblade Chronicles X was also anime with shit as fuck faces so at least XC2 made it somewhat better

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2 is "anime" like the rest of them. It's literally Gears lite. Xeno has always been "anime" series.

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>You're just a retard who can't handle anything with sex appeal.
There is a difference between sex appeal and blatant hamfisted pandering to autists.
If you find anime fanservice sexually appealing you might have aspergers

I expected all of that when I first saw the trailer. After finishing the game, I was surprised that there was very little of that.
The only issue I had with 2 was the gatcha bullshit.

oh look its the argument the asshurt xenoblade 2 "fans" always use
it may come as a shock to you, but you can have attractive characters without being clear fapbait for horny teenagers to waste money on

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where's the kyaa hentai scene in saga or gears

>glowing bikini armor, tits everywhere
Funny enough these are in the first game.

Why the fuck should I care if something is fapbait? You're saying a game can't have a female character with big tits because you don't like it? A game is meant to appeal to someone always, don't be deluded in thinking that's not always the case.

>Why the fuck should I care if something is fapbait?
For some people they don't see obvious fapbait and think "Oh man, based japs I can't wait to jerk off to this" and instead think "Cool instead of an actual character we got the same low effort anime waifu we've seen a million times before, I really hope the rest of this game isn't that lazy"

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Any scene involving chu-chu is a big stupid "anime" moment

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this is the issue outlined in , what exactly defines "too anime" is different from one person to another, so trying to argue that "the series is always anime" is silly

>too anime
ffxv, xenoblade 2, tales of, neptunia, senran, blazblue, anime games (dbz, naruto, etc)
>borderline
mario/zelda games, platinum games, nier, etc
>not anime
RE7, dark souls, evil within, mgs, etc

EO is fine

And I would think you a retard, that if she wasn't fapbait, that they would make her a good character anyway.

The series was always anime because it is. Saying it's too anime is a shitposting term plain and simple.

How the hell is Mario "borderline" anime? It's more cartoony instead

ok, great, again I'll have to ask you
>where's the kyaa hentai scene in saga or gears

Unless you're an absolutist retard you should be able to understand that "anime" is an infinitely large term describing a medium, and to act like all anime games have the exact same things in every single one at all times is retarded and wrong

shin-chan looks like a cartoon but it's an anime

>Saying it's too anime is a shitposting term plain and simple.
But this entire thread disagrees with you, people have legitimate complaints when they call a game "too anime", its just that weebs that fucking love low effort pandering literally can't comprehend why someone else wouldn't like it unless they were some kind of evil anime hating normie dude bro

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There isn't, but there isn't a retarded scene where a stuff animal calls out his love or gets crucified, which is way too anime for my tastes.

Of course the dumbass who uses weeb, would think "too anime" is a good phrase to use.

Are pokemon getting crucified a recurring anime cliche? Or is it just something xenogears does because that game was made by a madman?

Because kyaa hentai is 100% a shitty stock anime cliche and the scene itself doesn't make any sense with the entire rest of the story, the exact opposite of chuchus weird bullshit in xenogears

Just because weeb doesn't always get used properly doesn't mean it doesn't have its purpose.
A weeaboo is still a thing that exists and just like a decade ago is still something to be mocked.

There is nothing wrong with liking anime, there is a tonne of anime and manga that are timeless classics and everyone should read because they're simply just great.
That doesn't mean I'm not going to call someone a faggot for being a massive weeb that can't shut the fuck up about hentai, his favourite garbage moe figure commercials disguised as an anime or his retarded gacha waifus.

>scene itself doesn't make any sense with the entire rest of the story
Did you even play the game. Chu-chus introduction actually has nothing to do with the rest of the story, it's just fucking retarded.

>doesn't always

It's never used correctly now. I'd argue it has changed it's meaning. If people still used it like they use to, I'd have to problem with it.

good thing chu-chu was just one character in an otherwise serious setting
remember that time chu-chu turned on his meido bot and the first thing it said was "how can i serve you master

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Where does kingdom hearts scale on the anime scope?

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Yes that scene sets up how Tora is a perverted weirdo and his H2H interactions with others show you this even more.

its right on the god damn border.
Its still a lot of fun to play, but it some of the non-disney shit gets really fucking gay, especially after the first game

>Yes that scene sets up how Tora is a perverted weirdo
Oh yeah, thats totally gonna be an interesting character with lots of well written scenes.
It totally won't be fucking annoying every time his "hehe I'm a pervert and I like boobies" gag comes up again and plays out just like literally every other fucking character that is exactly the same as him.

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Not him but literally what is wrong with that? Does anime comedy ruin a game now? Forget the absolutely great environments, music and combat though. Or the great adventure, build up and kino final chapters. Lets talk about how the game somehow loses its quality because of the anime stuff that seems to trigger people for some reason, despite the characters at their core being well executed and characterised. For fucks sake, Sup Forums.

Tora and Poppi are the best written characters next to Jin, Malos and Nia so continue confirming you have no idea what you're talking about. Show me an exact scene where your example happens. Go on, fucking do it.

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What makes it just shy of not being too anime for you?
I honestly thought people would say that it crashed the scale.

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