This is actually a damn good question

This is actually a damn good question

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Currently playing original Halo. The warthog is a beast.
It's still my favourite co-op game.

>gear dead
>halo dead
>pgr replaced with horizon
>fable dead
>crackdown in coma state
>phantom dust forgotten
>all Rare ips left to die

The only ip still relevant is the Forza series.
Even Killer Instinct, a fairly successful xbone game, stopped getting any attention from Microsoft.

I thought Gears and Halo still sell well?

Does ANYONE on this board even have an xbox?

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They only sell what's trending, so they never keep an audience.

They used to have a decent lineup of exclusives during the original Xbox and early 360 days, but as time went on, they just seemed to stop giving a shit

I do, my friends and I just had a 7 hour halo 5 session last night. it was a blast

>release bad games that alienate the core fanbases
>wonder why they're no longer relevant
HMMMMM

>Sony
>Franchises
???

Sony keeps their franchises alive, but not in their console.

Uncharted and GoW afaik

What? Sony constantly throws their old franchises into the garbage bin to come up with new ones. Nintendo is the only one who does what that clickbait headline is saying.

Halo had CE, 2, 3, and ODST before it went to shit with Reach, 4, and 5. Gears is still good, but dead since it actually requires a bit of thought and no one owns a Xbox. Crackdown 1 was good, while Crackdown 2 was terrible. The Forza series is better than Gran Turismo.

I suspect there was a lot of executive/shareholder meddling over the last few years
It feels like half the decisions were intentionally trying to cash out and then kill their gaming division entirely, and the other half were investing in future tech and buying talent that was then squandered by the first half.
At the end of the day, xbox is a tiny tiny fraction of MS as a whole

They sell, but their sales are pathetic compared to what they used to sell.
Halo for example, used to stop the world everytime a new game was released.

2 and 3 destroyed sales, making them top sellers in their respective generations.
Halo used to be the biggest IP in the market. People comparing Master Chief with Mario as an important and recognizable character for the videogame industry.

Now, Halo it's just the obligatory game that gets a new sequel every now and then. No one really asks for it, no one really cares or waits for a new one to be released.
It's a case of "yeah, I have a xbox... why not, might as well grab it when it price drops"

Same for Gears.
Two of the biggest ips from previous gen, now left in the dark.

I guess that's technically multiple franchises.

Hmmm I wonder???...

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You're not fooling anyone, Phil.

because Nintendo studios are all lead by Japanese devs which have grown with the industry while Microsoft nowadays mostly consists out of sjws and diversity highers

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You need to invest in good development teams. Or at least buy them.

Nintendo is chock full of internal development teams that adhere to the highest quality. Sony has first-party studios out the ass and strikes exclusivity deals.

Let's ignore Turn 10 and whoever else developes Forza because racing sims are their own little ballgame: every exclusive developer Microsoft ever had escaped them. Or they threw them away. They closed Lionhead because they wouldn't let them do what they're good at. They let Bungie go and replaced them with 343. Epic games has better shit to do than Gears of War and lord know The Coalition doesn't know what to do with it. They let Amazon buy Double Helix. And they probably ruined Rare for themselves. Plus they can't strike any exclusivity deals anymore after the catastrophe of Rise of the Tomb Raider.

Microsoft just doesn't care. They are wholly indifferent to the games market and only remain in it because Xbox is a powerful brand. That's why Sony eventually caught up to them last generation and why they are dead last now.

They are using too much of their (wo)manpower to clear the toxicity from their games, just like Blizzard.

people like things from their childhood more than they like things from their teenage years
when you try to make "gritty, mature games" for the teenager audience, the later adult isn't going to remain loyal to the franchise

nintendo's games are pretty much "everyone except teenagers" for that reason

*franchise

Bone? No.
I have a Hueg and a 360. Loved those systems. Still love them.
Bone first couple of years and the slow death of ips like halo and gears (halo reach was meh and halo 4 garbage. gears 3 was meh, skipped judgment because it looked like shovelware) made me reject a xbone.

Because nobody wants to fucking work with Microsoft.

They are notorious for being extremely shitty to work with with terrible deadlines and love to meddle during development. Can't keep making good games if you scare off all the talent.

Because they have never tried to find their own thing, they just follow whatever trent sony imposes, people realizes that and just dismiss the console as something inferior. Microsoft should stop trying to be a "better" sony and try to find their own thing just like nintendo does.

Americans are too busy playing political games on the internet to produce games.

I never owned an xbox, what exactly was the big deal about master Chief?
I remember playing Halo at a friends house and had some fun times but a dude in the most basic space armor didn't latch on to me as recognizable

Maybe because Bungie told M$ to eat a dick? IPs in the hands of other devs never are the same

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to be fair, halo 4 had the sexiest cortana yet and they still managed to fuck it up

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>Get to Sanghelios.
>Vale says she can speak Sangheili.
>Talks in some weird Vulcan language that doesn't even remotely sound like the garbled barking from previous games.
Thats the part that probably bothered me the most about Halo 5, the most autistic thing mind you, but still. The funniest part is that the Elites don't even respond to her.

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How many times can you sell the guy in green armor shooting aliens?

Nintendo innovates and Sony at least has the moviegame market on lockdown.

...I have a 360

>Halo had CE, 2, 3, and ODST before it went to shit with Reach, 4, and 5. Gears is still good, but dead since it actually requires a bit of thought
that was so embarrassing

Because Microsoft wants that "Call of Duty money".
Why else would they keep sprint, and add stupid things like ground pound, melee charge, and thrusters?
I wish they would just let Halo die regularly instead of milking it for every nickel. You'll never see another game as competitive yet fun like Halo 3. Truly the 1950s of FPS history that was.

The mods who keep deleting the Sea of Thieves threads.

Halo was pretty much entirely tied to the original trilogy. Everything else in the setting is about as relevant or popular as star wars expanded universe shit. Whereas mario is just tied to his own face, allowing you to do whatever with him.

Some people are just weird like that. MAybe it has something to do with the whole American "respect our troops" bullshit culture.

The original hueg? It was the system if you wanted the new big titles from Sega.
GunValkyrie, Jet Set Radio Future, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Crazy Taxi 3. Shenmue 2.

After the death of the Dreamcast and Sega going multi, a question everybody asked was "what console is Sega going to support the most":
Sega was still a big deal back in the day, and getting the system with the bigger Sega sport was very appealing.
Xbox got the best Sega games from that era.
It also helped that, strangely enough, it got a lot of support from third dev jp studios. DoA3 and Utilmate, Ninja Gaiden, Breakdown, Otogi 1 and 2, Steel Battalion.

The xbox was also a very powerful system, far ahead of what the ps2 and GC were doing.
Seeing games like Splinter Cell and Escape From Butcher Bay coming out made you want to get a xbox if pc gaming wasn't your thing.

It also helped that it was the best system for multiplats.
People shit a lot on the xbox. Makes me wonder if they were even born when it was first released or too young to remember how big of a deal an xbox hueg was.

wasn't thee a time when Halo was a bigger deal than smash bros? am i just remembering that wrong?

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I have a One S that I haven't turned on in months.

I bought my little brother one about 4 years ago, he's touched it about 4 times since my parents bought him a pc soon afterwards.

Halo 2 launch night was the GOAT

Because when Microshit made the Xbox and 360 they had ZERO idea what made them good consoles. This was made very evident as gen 7 drew to a close because the PS3, despite having a fairly poor launch (and a later one at that) managed to completely close the gap.

Sony brought Crash Bandicoot (I know it's not owned by Sony but still) from the dead because he they asked Activision for it and now we might get more Crash games in the future

They brought Shadow of the Colossus proving to be a critical and commercial success

They brought back Parappa, Patapon HD, etc

They are bringing back Medievil and possibly more old franchises as well.

Despite Gravity Rush not sellinig that well, they brought a sequel.

Even if it was in development hell for 10 years, they brought The Last Guardian

Sony gives a fuck more about their franchises than MS does.

I'm not going to lie, it upsets me that modern MS own such a great IP.

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ya but Blizz can still sell a game with just their characters, just look at hots. no where near as popular as league or dota but it's kicking the crap out of every other entry in the genre

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Because their original devs left
bungie is a husk of it's former self and 343 is left the fork in the road of either keeping Mater Chief the poster boy or killing him off and doing their own thing with the Halo IP
Gears of war ended with 3 and is just mucking around at this point
Recore was not great
Sea of theives is garbage
I like state of decay but no one really gives a shit about zombies at this point
Rare is fucking around
and finally it's not that Microsoft is losing, they just don't give a shit. You need a Microsoft computer to play on steam so either way they profit. i wouldn't be surprised if they just cut of the Xbox after the X

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Possibly in America and the UK. The same places where Goldeneye and Perfect Dark were huge things during the Nintendo 64 days.

Well, those are the places where Smash Bros. is huge as well. Continental Europe and Japan is a completely different territory.

Nice joke, sure showed me.

if this, or Sea of Thieves was on any other console people would be sucking them off

Halo was bigger than any other IP. It was bigger than GTA. Fucking Peter Jackson wanted to make a Halo movie. Master Chief is the only videogame character to have a wax statue in the madame tussauds museum. The Halo 2 and 3 era was crazy. The highest of its peak. It all went downhill after Halo 3. Blame CoD4 for bringing something new to the table, blame IP fatigue.
But ODST and Reach were the beginning of the downfall.

People love to blame 343 for its downfall. They didn't help, but the ip was already struggling during its later bungie days

halo missed the mark when they tried to "widen their market appeal"

trying to lure in the cod audience and pander to everyone and anything to maximize sales doomed the franchise.

if they stuck with what worked and didn't do what they did with 4 and 5, they wouldn't be such a monumental laughing stock.

Did he ever manage to fuck the A.I.?

Can confirm that damn-near everyone is the UK loved Halo.
Personally didn't care since I will always enjoy RPGs more.

Because it's been 5 main games and we still haven't seen his face or know what he's thinking internally. MC is barely a character.

Yup

Graphics were 10/10. Everything else was shit.

They should've made more Combat Evolved's and not Halo 2's

Microsoft doesn't know how to innovate anything in the game market. They just buy out things and then use them up until all that's left is a bloody stump.

Their idea of innovation is all about trying to rip their customers off more without providing anything better.

As someone who was a child when The Duke was new, it's a matter of marketing. Most of us didn't realize it was a stealth Sega system because it was the likes of Halo getting the marketing push. Xbox Live, not the stellar single player games. Blinx was in the demo kiosks, not Panzer Dragoon Orta. Ninja Gaiden Black was pretty much the exception in terms of sales and recognition.

We only realized when it was too late.

I have a 360 and the One. No meme, the 360 is the most played of the two over the past 2 years we had the One. No one wants to buy Gold to play 360 games on the One.

The One was used was for Cuphead and like 3 matches of Halo 5.

I like nintenbros outfit best

This

Have Microsoft and EA merged or something?
Becomes some unholy behemoth of raping studio carcasses?

Everyone worth their salt likes Phantom Dust. Yukio Futatsugi, and his CV with the exception of Crimson Dragon, are thoroughly liked and appreciated by enthusiasts of Japanese games.

Sea of Thieves is justifiably shat on.

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Pretty much that. They should have kept the halo identity. Separate it from CoD as much as they could. Instead they turned it into a CoD clone, and in a sea of CoD clones, Halo was lost in the crowd.
Another faceless franchise that only exists to be compared to the more popular rival.

I don't understand this post.
PS4 is the one with the lesbian protagonists, Katniss clone as their big new IP star, and buys half finished exclusives like Gran Turismo and The Order?

didn't play it but I can confirm that would have gotten under my skin as well from the sound of it

DIE

>Sony
Is this a joke? They kill off their franchises or sell them off on a whim. They're Japanese EA.

Which franchises they have sold?

Because Sony never owned Crash or Spyro

>Sony
Excuse me, WHAT?

Right but it still somehow isn't a dead console.

Name the franchises sony has sold off in the last two generations.

This, it blows my mind Halo isn't even M rated anymore.

>Halo used to stop the world
I remember Halo 3 coming out was a literally mainstream news segment. People waiting in line for days, a party in times square, grown men taking days off of work to play. It was unreal. Halo 5 came out and I didn't even know it until like a year later. How could you fall so far.

>Sony
>Relevant franchises
I like my PS4 as much as the next guy but they never stick to franchises that could become iconic for long enough to actually solidify them as relevant or iconic. There's a reason why Smash sells millions but PlayStation Battle Royal flopped.

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the 360 end years where painful. It was like they didn't give a shit anymore.

Whoa, a thread saying something negative about something that Isn't Sony?
How fast will this one be deleted?

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To be fair, PlayStation Battle Royal flopped because it wasn't very good, but Sony still cares more from their franchises than MS, see

I mean, at least they aren't just trying to annualize shit they have that works and are actually letting the developers do what they want to do.

No, chief has his own stuff but the videogame chief is meant to be the player

They ruined video games so its karma.

What Sony old franchises are relevant? Horizon, BB, GR are relatively new showings. Crash was revived recently but apart from that, I can only think of Uncharted. But that's getting the same issue of Halo/GoW recently as well, where they'll have to do spinoffs to avoid having a dumb title like Uncharted 5 on their next game. Think the biggest issue is just Halo/GoW both had a ton of finality in their stories so trying to reignite interest clashes with that feeling. Halo in particular went from space opera/mystery to action generic shit that just passes in a haze. With the covenant demystified and the Flood turned into the "oh we're here" enemy type, the forerunners just aren't interesting enough to make games out of.

That feel. It's what convinced me that the only true way to game is to idort and play multiplats PC.

And instead Sony's franchise games sell millions upon millions. Smash sells because Nintendo's fanbase consists of children and manchildren while Soy's target audience are teenagers and adults.

Oh, and Sony actually lets its development teams MOVE THE FUCK ON AND MAKE ORIGINAL GAMES.

You're never going to see Nintendo allow Retro to make an original game like Sony let Naughty Dog and Guerilla do it.

>Industry has gravitated towards female protagonists/characters for a while
>FPS games remain popular
>Most of your first-party studios specialize on shooters
>You own the studio that created the damn IP
>...
>Should we make a new Perfect Dark?
>Nah

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What, Big Daddy wasn't a big enough of a playstation icon for you? Or General Radec? I'm still baffled Big Daddy fucking showed up. It was a Microsoft exclusive for how long? Fucking Sony.

I got one years ago because it was part of a combo deal with a damn good samsung tv.
My gf just uses it for netflix in our bedroom.

>Crash
Source?
>SotC remaster
Big deal, of course it was well received, it's the same fucking game - the third time it was released. That's not keeping a franchise relevant, it's a single (metaphorically) dead horse getting beaten all over again each new gen

Not trying to imply MS is doing any better, obviously

If they reveal Perfect dark at E3 ill bust a nut

At least they have the decency or common sense to leave franchises when they are dead or finished. They could put a studio on Jak 4 easily and make some quick nostalgia bucks but thankfully they've let him rest. Sly got resurrected, it flipped, and sony got the message. There are lots of examples and a few exceptions to the rule but sony seems to put new ips at the forefront or at the very least balance them with the sequels and franchises. The cool original shit Microsoft has they either let die like scalebound or abandon a potential franchise like recore and leave money on the table. But you bet your ass there will be a gears 5 and a halo 6 and a table 4 whether people want them or not.

>Source?

Source about what?

>Big deal, of course it was well received, it's the same fucking game - the third time it was released. That's not keeping a franchise relevant

Except it is? Considering that Shadow of the Colossus got an HD remaster, it's extremely that the surprising sold so well and got great reception as well.

>wanting modern devs to make a modern Perfect Dark
nah i am fine with her being a relic of a better age.

>Sony franchises.
>Relevant.

Soon as they get a somewhat successful game they make sure that the damn thing is dead and buried on next game or two.

They are shit to keep franchises afloat.

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>Sony has a potential market of 70 million
>Their games can't even push 10% of that
>Third party sports games eclipse their first parties
Hmm.

I don't think anyone that even worked on PDZ still works at Rare anymore, most of them probably left when MS put Rare on Kinect shovelware duty. Not that PDZ was that amazing, a lot of people were shitting on it compared to the original back when it came out.

Halo would still be relevant if 343 weren’t utterly talentless