As with any dangerous new technology, it's fortunate that Urbit is not yet fully armed and operational. It's our plan to introduce Martian computing gradually, to avoid producing serious social unrest.
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The Earth software that's most like Martian software is, of course, Lisp. (Lisp claims to be based on lambda, but the connection is in fact dubious - a true lambda language is more like Haskell.) Nouns can be described as "S-expressions without the S" - that is, there are no symbols or other base types; atoms are completely typeless. Note that Rivest's IETF draft also makes this change, although he (a) defines his atoms as octet-strings, not unsigned integers; and (b) remains list-centric, not pair-centric.
Of course, an octet-string and an unsigned integer are the same thing. And by general convention and common decency, nouns are pair-centric. In Nock, it is bad form to stick unnecessary terminators on tuples. Or, as a Lisper would say, "improper lists." Other than these unfortunate articles of baggage, though, Rivest's draft has a lot of cool syntax, which could easily be adapted to nouns and probably should be - if just to quell the suspicion, perhaps already pregnant in your mind, that Urbit is really just the world's worst case of NIH syndrome.
Nobody will ever be able to use this shit nor templeos in a professional or even home computing environment fucking ever, this is worthless psychotic trash that won't amount to anything. Use a real OS like GNU, Mac or Windows, ones you can actually get shit done on.
Levi Murphy
>Neckbeard: the post
Same things were said about GUI
>GUI isn't useful! Terminal rules!
Half of the physical objects around you were designed in Solidworks/Inventor/CATIA with a GUI, including cars and airplanes, and rockets.
Adrian Peterson
Urbit is way too esoteric to be talked about on Sup Forums, I've been following it a year and I can't say that I fully understand it.
My issue with it, is that, while stateless, there still no apparent transparency in its computations, which I believe is essential for sane single user computing.
Liam Moore
>I've been following it a year and I can't say that I fully understand it.
I haven't looked at hoon much, but I understand the foundation which is Nock. It's just an effort to find a minimal basis for computing and build a fast real-world system on it (it still adheres to nock semantics but it is compiled to fast code).
> there still no apparent transparency in its computations, which I believe is essential for sane single user computing.
Do you mean no debugging and no program state model (i.e. what to debug and at which level). Perhaps it could be solved with snapshots and instrumented Hoon interpreter?
Joseph Hughes
Urbit and TOS are two different things, urbit runs ontop of a current os for "privacy", TOS is for recreational programming with a c64 on steroids.
Cameron Richardson
>bizarre but actually kind of cool software made by an insane racist Seems pretty similar to me
Easton Morgan
>Implying Mencious Moldbug is a brute racist He is a subtle Neo-Reactionary connoisseur plz don't bully (^:
Nicholas King
This is in no way related to TempleOS. TOS is God's third temple, a medium between man and God, and a modern Commodore64 meant to teach kids about computers and the joys of programming and creating things.
Mason Hill
Actually Mencious Moldbug, author of Urbit values traditional white Christian culture, so at least some relationship to God's chosen OS can be shown.
Chase Sanders
welp here's the HN thread if anyone cares to dive in
>There's a place for the 4chans of the world, with totally disposable one-time identities. You can do this with Urbit as well -- use a 128-bit self-signing identity (comet). But most people tend to want a little more stability and permanence.
Ryan Phillips
The levels of spam...
Thomas Gutierrez
that's because this is the guy who was targeted by SJWs to have his talk at lambdaconf shut down
Jason Richardson
I've seen this before, and read a lot of stuff on their site.
I still can't really figure out what the fuck it's supposed to be.
Jason King
>I still can't really figure out what the fuck it's supposed to be.
A distributed OS with well-defined sequence of states?
Logan Jackson
>cars and airplanes, and rockets. >designed on computers with a GUi
Jordan Thompson
I just visited his website and didn't understand a thing he said. What the fuck is all this buzzword memery? Am I being rused?
Levi Morris
>Your computer isn't yours unless you can run whatever software you want and switch without losing data. Imagine if you could replace the Facebook UI, or move your Evernotes to Google Docs. What is this nigger trying to say?
