Can we discuss machines who can be useful as libre systems, free from Intel ME disease?
Hopefully they meet this conditions:
>no over 500 dollars (Libreboot X200 starts at 574)
>they don't require soldering or mods for use. Just install you FSF blessed distro and you're happy
I think that old Powermac G5 can meet these conditions.
What do you think, Sup Forums?
Can we discuss machines who can be useful as libre systems, free from Intel ME disease?
Dominic Barnes
Other urls found in this thread:
minifree.org
libreboot.org
raptorengineering.com
youtu.be
heise.de
libreboot.org
libreboot.org
fsf.org
wiki.debian.org
libreboot.org
chromium.googlesource.com
fsfla.org
packages.trisquel.info
github.com
h-node.org
crowdsupply.com
twitter.com
Charles Martinez
This looks great. Is it possible to put a 1080p screen on it?
minifree.org
Matthew Rogers
do they actually sell any of these? can i buy used thinkpads and put libreboot on them and resell them on ebay for a huge markup?
Lincoln Cox
G5 needs closed source Open Firmware.
Matthew Hall
There's that power8 mobo Sup Forums was masturbating over a few weeks ago. being Stallman-grade free and non-botnet is one of the main design objectives, they advertise it on the site.
It is most decidedly *not* under $500 though.
Grayson Bennett
Sauce? It's that firmware replaceable?
Does have issues like Intel ME?
Dylan King
PAJEET MY SON
Anthony Martin
>I have to shit in every thread where an apple product is show
I don't care about benchmarks. I care about freedom. You can have you hyper threading and the NSA spying your chinese cartoons.
Hudson Parker
>I care about freedom.
>applel
Poo in the loo Pajeet.
Kevin Fisher
>every thread where apple is mentioned
>every fucking day
I wish the mods would permaban this fag.
Brody Rivera
>I don't mind Intel ME spying my ass every day
Cameron Miller
Yes. If you can find a buyer. The problem is that most people into the whole "freedom" thing will do it themselves, because it's more about the fun of having a system than the actual philosophy.
Andrew Price
>appletard
>calling someone else a fag
>thinks he and his toddler toys will ever belong on Sup Forums
James Ramirez
>toys
>a powerpc workstation without Intel ME who doesn't cost a leg
It's like you enjoy the NSA cook.
Dominic Cooper
>owns applel toys
How are you enjoying that NSA cock Pajeet?
Kayden Cox
Why do you ask questions yourself?
Caleb Phillips
Where?
Gabriel Long
>decade old
>applel housefire G5
>it's only $500 goyim!
>look at the shiny apel logo goyim!
How much does Apple pay you Rajeesh?
Anthony Baker
Naw nigga, you're the one who's got his shit fucked. Now that Steve Jobs is gone, their systems are jails for their users AND they look like trash... cans. Picture related.
Thomas Lee
>no mods, no soldering
>just turn on and install you favorite FSF blessed distro
What part of that you didn't understood?
Luke Johnson
raptorengineering.com
think the price was something like $3500
Carter Wright
>apple paying to shill old and unsupported hardware
What?
Daniel Russell
>i pretend to belong on a technology board
>but i'm too retarded to download a 1mb firmware and flash a bios
What part of you don't belong here did you macfags not understand? You can try as hard as you like in your desperate attempt to fit in, but you never will.
Jayden Campbell
:^)
Leo Miller
But I can flash a 1MB bios user.
Nicholas Morgan
/thread
Just another desperate attempt by Pajeets to viralshill their meme brand on Sup Forums.
There are literally 20+ of these cancer threads a day.
Luis Reyes
>stop discussing things I don't like
No.
Levi Phillips
>start liking brands i get paid to shill
Poo in the fucking loo Rajeesh.
Gabriel Collins
Josiah Turner
-->
Brayden Taylor
No, thanks.
Caleb Allen
Which can be useful**
- sincerely, a cunt
Ryan Flores
>50lbs
>hideous logo
>attracts nigras and fags
>weak as shit
>sets your house on fire
>nearly 1.5 decades obsolete
vs
>T500
>1/5 the price
>portable
>requires not being a mongoloid macfag who's afraid of bios flashing and two button mice
Connor Ross
Do you hate apple for a specific reason or do you do it because it makes you look cool on Facebook? How old are you?
Gabriel Lewis
Do you love apple for a specific reason or do you do it because it makes you look cool on Facebook? How old are you?
Nicholas Brown
>119 USD
You can get G5 for free.
Anyway, if you don't like Apple, what about IntelliStations with PowerPC processors?
Asher Jones
/thread
Just more applel brand astroturfing cancer. Why haven't mods banned this blatant commercial spam?
John Richardson
...
Justin Collins
Why the fuck everyone assumes that if a guy mentions a PowerPC Apple to install linux on it, because Jewtel botnet it's an Apple lover?
Oliver Williams
>>no over 500 dollars (Libreboot X200 starts at 574)
>macfag's first response is to buy a premade because he can't figure it out himself
Eli Barnes
This doesn't even make sense in this thread you DUMB FUCKER
Ian Gutierrez
What about ARM based computers?
Raspberry Pi (1, 2, 3)?
The're not that powerful, but for a simple browsing + email machine (for communication) they're good enough.
I mean the russians use ARM powered computers.
Is (low power) ARM a cheap alternative to Intel or this expensive Power8 mainboard?
Lincoln Barnes
>because everyone want's to solder shit to install a open source bios.
Joshua Brooks
>a $150 X200 marked up 400%
>just because of a custom bios update
>macfags find a way to scam themselves even with non-applel hardware
Leo Green
I think it's ok, but my boner killer will be the lack of inputs and not sata shit.
Josiah Edwards
Why are you even on Sup Forums Rajeesh?
Thomas Harris
Fucking samefags.
Andrew Carter
>not supporting libreboot
What's wrong with you?
Brandon Fisher
>>paying for a G5
times slower than a X200
>>not supporting libreboot
What's wrong with you?
Elijah Jones
...
Lucas Edwards
iPajeets #BTFO
Colton Watson
You don't have to work at microsoft callcenter, Mohandas?
Blake Turner
banana pi? It has S-ATA.
And if there's a bad situation:
> US government goes into insane TRUMP-overload mode
> fucks all citizens
> the rest of the world follows
> freedom is about to die
I don't think you'd be very concerned about a fast s-ata solution or a fast processor. I think these devices are somewhat like the "Freedom Box".
Everyone should buy one!
Raspberry Pis can be battery powered + (small) screen can also be battery powered.
--> in case of emergency (corrupted US gov. / flood / drought / fire ...), combined with a HAM radio equipment + "packet radio", Raspberry Pis would be the ideal communication devices.
Example for "the rest of the world following US":
> USA wants ID everytime someone buys a prepaid SIM card
> weeks later: germany does the same
> pretending to fight terror --> in reality it's to take away more freedom
> normies won't notice, because there will be some fake terrorists that get atteintion in the media to show how effective this method (banning free SIM cards) is!
(src: heise.de
"Ausweis" = ID
(use botnet-google-translate for translation into freedom speak (i.e. english))
Landon Sanders
>copying and pasting $ sudo ./flash commands directly from the libreboot site is too hard
Jackson Richardson
>using libreboot
I want to use OpenBSD.
Joshua Wood
...
Tyler Reyes
I'm a bit curious, are the Rasberry Pi's and other microcomputers usually free as in freedom?
Kayden James
I plan to install Libre once Zen comes out and I retire my old Xeon from gaymen or if I get a dirt cheap FX setup during the Zen Mass Upgrade that will ensue. It is crazy that all the new chips have a Self Destruct feature and remote access that is controlled by the manufacturer, hackers and other unknown parties.
David White
The Raspberry Pi boots the Broadcom VideoCore IV first, which has a proprietary ROM that chain loads two proprietary VC4 firmware blobs off the microSD, that run the ThreadX (commercial) RTOS, that manages all the peripherals on the SoC, loads Linux into the ARM cores, and starts them.
However Broadcom eventually were convinced to release some docs and some code for parts of the VC4, and there's an open toolchain for the VC4 and an engineer working on open, blobless booting (after the internal ROM, of course, but that's actually ROM) and some open GPU firmware for it (running on the ARM side, instead of the current open GPU drivers which pass commands via mailbox to the VC4 blob).
So... no, but almost yes: blobless boot sorta works now, video doesn't, last I heard, but it's a work in progress.
More movement than anyone ever got out of Broadcom before. Kudos to the Pi Foundation.
Jonathan Perry
What about VIA boards? People barely ever talk about them.
Jeremiah Watson
No one talks because these are shit.
Aiden Carter
you know that you can disable the management engine in your BIOS right
i mean the idea is kind of neat but as a non-enterprise computer user I don't need that shit on or use it either
Christopher Cox
last I heard IDs for prepaid cards in the US is generally a joke. the clerks just put in John Appleseed on main street.
In europe when I bought prepaid SIMs they scanned a copy of my US passport
Logan Wright
The proprietary freedom hating BIOS is still non-free and you can't know whether it is actually disabled.
Most proprietary freedom hating BIOSes only make ME invisible to the host OS. The hardware backdoor is still active.
Brody Thomas
>no botnet putah
Asus C201 4Gb Chromebook
ARMv7 - rk3288 4-core cpu
Libreboot (readonly via hardware screw)
TP-LINK TL-WN722N (ATH9K_HTC)
linux-libre fully deblobbed kernel
debian8 jessie (armhf port) + xfce4
8+ hours shitpost time on battery
1. no intel botnet
2. no firmware binary blobs
3. write-protected bios compiled from source
Get 'em while you still can, anons.
Blake Lee
Open Firmware is to New World PowerPC machines what BIOS/EFI is to x86 PCs. Apple's implementation isn't open source, and there's nothing I know of yet to replace it. Can't use Coreboot/libreboot, they only support x86/x86_64
AFAIK it's not signed like intel ME or microcode, so it can be replaced, it's just nobody's done it yet.
Levi Roberts
>paying 500 dollars for prehistoric shit
Retards!
Kayden Smith
> DO NOT BUY THIS LAPTOP YET!!!!!!!!!!! This is intended mainly for developers at the moment (libreboot developers, and developers of libre GNU/Linux distributions).
libreboot.org
how bad is it? (not working, kind of working, usable)?
Justin Howard
>debian8 jessie (armhf port)
This laptop currently has zero support from libre distros. Parabola theoretically supports it, by installing Arch first and then migrating to Parabola ...
Easton Bennett
I would go with a Sun Blade or some crap like that (I not sure if it is as new as the PPC Mac, but it wold be less overpriced).
But flashing the X200 Libreboot by yourself is easy, there is no need to not do it and is a better alternative to most old non-x86 computers.
I think the RPi need a non-free firmware to boot, without this firmware it is useless, I saw somewhere that there was someone trying to rewrite this firmware, but i don't think it was working wet.
also: fsf.org
Someone was able to Boot some BSD on a X200 running libreboot, lurk in the mailing lists (also on /r/libreboot)
There are some boards on coreboot.org, but I don't think people are working on them this much
Ryder Wright
Debian 8 works fine on the c201. Follow the libreboot instructions for building the flashrom. Easiest method is to spin up a VM (trisquel) with required packages just for the job.
Then follow the debian docs.
wiki.debian.org
Basically, you enable developer mode, then boot from a microsd or usb disk prepped with debian and partitioned correctly. Once you are comfortable with running from sd/usb, you can move your install over to onboard flash and blow away chromeos.
Partitioning and kernel stuff on ARM is different than X86. Kernels are stored in partitions and marked with priority levels.
libreboot.org
chromium.googlesource.com
fsfla.org
packages.trisquel.info
Austin Butler
I thought WiFi was not working on the C201, what happened?
Samuel Nelson
The onboard wifi is non free. You can make it work but what is the point if it needs a firmware blob you can't trust?
The TPLINK TL-WN722N wifi module has open firmware. I stuck mine on the back of the screen with a short usb adapter cable. There are other modules available that use the same chip. The TL-WN722N is readily available on amazon for about $12.
github.com
h-node.org
Lincoln Ramirez
>USB
Nicholas Murphy
Ok I didn't noticed, the issue still is marked on the libreboot page.
Logan Ortiz
What is pic related?
An ownmade Laptop?
Adam Wilson
Limited edition of the Novena
Carter Smith
Thomas Cox
GNU/Linux makes shitboxes pretty bearable. If you're not prepared to shell out 3.5k for a TALOS workstation board, I think a little sacrifice for freedom is reasonable if you're really committed.
Tyler Rogers
Is the "just the board" Version REALLY ENTIERLY FREE?
- no blobs for wifi ...
- no backdoors in processor (Freescale iMX6 )
Levi Moore
You can view all the source in the OFW Forth environment you dipshit.
No it's not copyleft Free Software but you sure can poke around in there.
Oliver Gutierrez
That article is misleading Wintel shill trash.
Julian Fisher
The mods are responsible for 80% of the shitposting on this board. They want to ruin every non-sponsored thread.
However the sponsored Sup Forums threads will see this kind of shitty bait cleaned instantly.
REALLY MAKES YOU THINK
Lincoln Wright
You can Libreboot your own X200 if you're not a knuckle-dragger. Get one off eBay for $150.
Austin Howard
It's literally a Dell shill.
You can summon him by trashing the Dell XPS craptops.
Grayson Gutierrez
The wifi is a Atheros card (works well with free software). The CPU is more or less well documented. The BIOs is U-Boot (free software BIOs). I think it is more or less on the same level of some computer running Libreboot. I just don't have a FSF approved distro running, but it can run Debian without non-free software.
Noah Ortiz
FSF does not dictate what's free and what's not anyway.
Michael Butler
It's not entirely free
Some of the CPU stuff requires non-free firmware
Ayden Cooper
Promoting non-free software is not good, they do have a point when they don't approve Debian for maintaining a non-free software repository and point it to some people, but they also recognize that Debian does promote free software and they do keep the "official" Debian repository free software only.
Isaac Anderson
I use Funtoo with all Free Software. FSF will never endorse it, and frankly I don't care.
Joshua Cooper
ok
Jose Hernandez
Yes. Yes it is.
Isaac Sanders
>The CPU is more or less well documented
Well all these freedom respecting platforms still have one drawback:
How can you be sure that the processor built into them is EXACTLY the one described by the doc. ????¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿
The manufacturer could still add other backdoors to the system. One would have to inspect the real hardware, i.e. opening a processor and checking if it is built exactly as described in the doc.
Charles Powell
The Blade 2500 is one of the best SPARC-based desktops you can get your hands on, same hardware as the all-aluminum Ultra 40s Sup Forums jerks off to in aesthetics threads but 10x cheaper because they aren't as desired by hipsters who want to destroy them to fit their shitty i3 gayming rig inside.
Not sure about the flavor of Open Firmware they use though, and GNU/Linux support on their workstations is better than most, but still shitty.
Lucas Stewart
Is it worth picking up a Power7 server? I have the coin.
Christian Roberts
>benchmarks for a decade-old chip
who gives a shit
besides, G5s will still work well enough for pretty much anything you'd want to do on a "libre" system unless you're autistic about compile times, in that case just pair it with a SPARC T2 box or something as a build server
Dominic King
really depends on what you'd want to use it for, that shit's obviously not going to be suitable for "desktop" usage but it would obviously make a very nice mostly-free server
Kayden Carter
My intended use would be as a workstation.
Nathaniel Wood
Basically somewhere between 2006 and 2009 you can draw a line in the sand for American hardware tech.
Depending on the market you could push that backdoor date back a few years more...
Home field advantage, NOBUS and its ilk.
What a sad situation.