>NEET guide to web dev employment pastebin.com/4YeJAUbT/ >How to get started youtube.com/watch?v=pB0WvcxTbCA - "WATCH THIS IF YOU WANT TO BECOME A WEB DEVELOPER! - Web Development Career advice" youtube.com/watch?v=zf_cb_Nw5zY - "JavaScript is Easy" - If you can't into programming, you probably won't find a simpler introduction to JavaScript than this.
One of the comments: >Can anyone explain what is dhirecthibs
Ded.
Chase Wilson
Well, Angular WAS made for non-programmers, so it's obvious that it attracts people like that.
I don't see why you'd want to learn Angular 1 anymore anyway. It's by far the slowest of all the frameworks that exist. I'd choose Web Components & Polymer. #UseThePlatform
Blake Morales
>polymer yeah go ahead learn a fucking dead framework lmao
Camden Robinson
I am putting a simple newsletter signup on my website that is email only. Is it bad practice to have no label (placeholder in the form) or is it fine.
Noah Scott
>Dead
Why? Google is pushing it hard. Also it's only a library.
Mason Wright
Because I need to learn it (and that is, 1.x version) for my obligatory internship, I don't have a control in it.
When I mentioned this, could someone recommend me something to build which utilizes some more advanced stuff, like promises and interaction with REST api (from Java/.NET)? I get the basics but I don't know what now. I need to be prepared for working on some serious project, and I don't have any work exp.
Jackson Thomas
pushing it hard? the only place they used it was some shitty gaming part of youtube
Joshua Thomas
What's the difference in Polymer vs Angular? I've just seen this demo shop on their site and I don't get it. Same shit.
Nathaniel Bailey
And the new material design overhaul of YouTube you can see by setting a cookie and not being logged in. A ton of projects on YouTube are using it.
Also they had a lot of talks about it on the I/O 2016 and there will be another Polymer summit. Meanwhile, Bloatgular 2 only got featured once.
Landon Gutierrez
Wait, is Polymer also by Google?
Thank god that that at least I have to learn Angular 1. Second version looks retarded as fuck, there seems to be so much bloat imports and the syntax looks way more complicated.
Polymer is a library that is based on the web components standard that is already implemented into chrome and opera and partially other browsers.
Thus Polymer applications will be leaner and faster on supporting browsers because you need to send less JS down the wire (the polyfill can be loaded on demand).
In the end they are similar, both are for creating components. However, Polymer components are just web components and can thus play nicely with any kind of framework or library or what have you. Just import the component and you're done.
Meanwhile, including an Angular 2 component will force you to include the ~900kb Angular 2 shit.
Evan Phillips
ng1 is garbage, dying piece of shit that cant even do server side rendering and therefore is slow as fuck
the 90kb shit doesnt really matter when you download it in the background and render the page initially on the server side
Adam Nelson
Yes, but because of the way Angular 1 works (dirty checking), it gets insanely slow when you exceed a certain number of bindings.
This is why React is so popular right now. It doesn't have this problem because it uses virtual dom and it's also backed by a large company that won't go away soon, unlike all the meme.js frameworks that go around on reddit.
Jonathan Mitchell
I started learning it a few days ago. I'm really looking forward to it. It looked weird at first but now it really feels comfy. I almost continued learning Rails, but I don't like so much bloat, and as far as I know, Node is much faster.
The only thing I'm not sure about is MongoDB. I follow tutorials where it is utilized, but I don't know how easy it would be to replace it with something else like CoachDB or whatever, because I heard it sucks.
Lincoln Barnes
I guess the main difference is that Polymer is based on the actual DOM while Angular 2 and most other frameworks try their best to abstract the DOM away as far as possible.
And we all know how expensive abstractions are in JS.
Daniel Price
Is there any advantage any nosql database has over sql?
Is there any incentive to use it at all?
Isaiah Ross
wet pussy everywhere you go
Thomas Bailey
When you store data that is not relational, it's great.
When you do, you're fucked, NoSQL is a mess then. Just use MySQL or Postgres, they both have a JSON field type now which offers all the advantages of NoSQL while still having a structure for the 98% of data that has one.
Hunter Brown
Any other reason to get into MEAN other than fleecing hipster startups?
Joseph Torres
Ok, I'll have to write NG1 for a month or so, whatever. I'll try Polymer after that.
Now, I don't understand fully what is the difference between React and Express and why I should use both. Do I need it at all? I'm afraid that I won't learn shit, just like with Rails, if I just import everything with Express.
Node is comfy, Mongo sounds interesting, I didn't have any experience with NoSQL before, but if CouchDB is similar and better I could try it. Or just use MySQL, idk... I could try Polymer instead of Angular, there is no way I will learn Angular2 if I don't have to.
So much shit to work with, I don't even... I also wanted to try Flask, but I switch technologies even before I write a todo app.
I also know the basics of PHP from my class but I kinda don't like it so RIP PHP I guess.
Jason Evans
Sometimes I envy brogrammers who don't have to learn so much different shit every year. I'd like to feel comfy, writing everything in a one or two languages and improve in it, and not have to worry about new memeworks on a weekly basis.
I don't have much (if any) decent-ish projects in my portfolio and I found myself doing this kind of tutorials. I try to understand all of it as I go, but I definitely can't keep track of everything, so I know I'll have to build something completely by myself after that. I started with a Twitter clone from Rails tutorial (but didn't finish it yet, don't know if I will), then built some pong game in canvas, then some realtime chat app in socket.io, then was looking forward to build a realtime poll app in MEAN but the tutorial is shite. I'm planning to find more of these tutorials and build some more shit with them.
Yes, it is extreme handholding, but I need to understand the process of building some more complicated things than below 100 LOC todos.
Is it a wrong approach? I know it's maybe better to just dive in and find solutions as I go, but I feel frozen every time I want to building something, and don't even know where to start.
Samuel Powell
>dirty checking So basically polling? Holly shit, that's retarded performance-wise.
Colton Barnes
Node is fine, Express is a good time saver. But fuck Mongo and fuck Angular.
I gotta say I like it quite a bit. You can set up projects and APIs extremely fast and it's really easy to get into. Waterline seems good as well but I haven't found much use for it yet. It let's you use the same queries for SQL, Postgres, Mongo, etc...
Henry Gray
Why are those particular technologies gathered together in MEAN? Why does it have to be "MEAN"?
I can combine anything else without a problem, right? I could use something like CEPN (CouchDB, Express, Polymer, Node)?
Btw is it possible to be an expert in "KEK"?
What would those technologies be?
Luis Allen
I meant "C U C K", wtf Sup Forums.
Dominic Butler
(Me) Because it's mandatory to express tech stacks in four letter acronyms, I suppose that makes me a NELP dev. Node, Express, Linux, PostgreSQL.
Leo Clark
>limiting yourself to a single DB vendor disgusting
Luke Evans
>We are sorry, but we accept only MEME devs in our agency.
Landon Wright
no it doesnt use polling
Carson Gomez
Cassandra, Ur/Web, C#, Kona
Cameron Bell
I seriously hope you aren't rendering all of your pages on the server side in [current year]
Easton Butler
This. >falling for the "best product in all use cases"
Joshua Rodriguez
this so much
had to maintain a project that treated its data relational, but stored in mongodb, that means lots of slow loops and whatnot to make it work
Angel Torres
What the fuck is a brogrammer?
Nicholas Morris
Another user here.
I don't know, but brogrammers are the topic of this hilariously titled book
Aiden Russell
Yes I am. Because its blazingly fast compared to a janky, bloated fully meme-enabled JS rendered single page app.
Time to first render is important, for both UX and SEO, with a fully JavaScript rendered site you're going to be looking at a white screen, or a shitty loading animation for a while because you have to make 200 http requests and then asynchronously load all of that shit into your angular app before it'll show you anything.
Fine, add content with AJAX calls, but SPAs are complete aids. Webpages should be functional with JavaScript turned off, both for accessability reasons, and because everyone has JavaScript off while the page is still loading.
That's because these people have jobs and most of their time is spent maintaining existing projects that have already been written. They're not sitting at home over-engineering their shitty Hello World applications with the latest meme framework.
Chase Powell
I work for a company who has most of their sites as asp.net Web form. Some jquery/Javascript has been thrown over the "front end" but for the most part the entire site is a postback nightmare. We've recently begun moving towards an angular front end but the normies I work with have barely taken the time to understand the framework and still write in blocking, synchronous code.
Boss is constantly bitching about things loading slowly and not being responsive. Any one else have to deal with the .net monster and have any optimization tips? Any suggestions for the transition to angular or another front end?
William Allen
What is your stack?
Ayden Gutierrez
>Any suggestions for the transition to angular or another front end?
Assuming that ASP just provides a REST that spits JSON out (or lmao XML) you can write the "front end" using anything.
You can even have another server running ASP or PHP or something that just handles templating and sends that shit to the browser after consuming whatever it is that your existing backend sends. That might be a better option if nobody you work with actually understands Javascript's async.
Javscript lets you do a lot of stuff without actually understanding how the language works, resulting in a lot of shit. You could make everyone watch this so they at least understand the asynchronous nature of Javascript: youtube.com/watch?v=8aGhZQkoFbQ
Carter Hill
>SPAs are complete aids Only SPAs that use some shit framework and are not written efficiently with vanilla JS and light libraries. That is to say, almost every SPA ever is complete aids.
Wyatt Cook
I get what you say. But what if you need to make a full length javascript application one day? You will need something more than server-side rendering bro.
Of course, I you are not making a complex web app, server rendering is fine.
Kayden Roberts
So, what's actually wrong with PHP? I'm genuinely curious.
Gavin Brown
there are many more mature and thought through languages doing the same job faster.
Too many to list. Rather tell us what you like about PHP, and we can tell you how other languages do it better.
Andrew Garcia
What's the best backend language to learn for someone who is just starting out? >inb4 check the wiki/op The amount of stuff recommended seemed to vary wildly amongst the links given.
Adam Brown
I made a picture to explain.
I spend most of my workday dealing with the node, redis and couchdb parts.
Using vanilla JS for a SPA would be aids to maintain. The reason these frameworks exist at all is because someone tried to make an SPA and ended up making a framework just to deal with it. If you tried to use vanilla JS for a SPA you'd end up accidentally creating your own framework... and then releasing it if you could find a name that wasn't already taken.
I'm all for having Javascript functionality and AJAX calls once the page is in the browser. But even modern meme frameworks like React are capable of rendering on the server side before sending anything to the browser. But Javascript has its place, and adding more shit for the client to do isn't a good direction to go in. "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away."
Server-side rendering is simply better for performance of the device that you're expecting the user to be on when the view your site, and most likely they're not going to be on a beefy desktop with a 4k screen and a fibre connection like you are when you're developing the thing. The biggest web browsing platform is now mobile, your user could be using a shitty old phone, and have 2 bars on a GPRS connection out in the boonies somewhere, and you want them to download a bunch of Javascript and CSS frameworks on their mobile data just to be able to look at your site.
Stuffing a couple of media queries in your CSS before shipping a bloated janky piece of shit SPA doesn't make your site mobile friendly.
Wyatt Gray
There are two reasons PHP is as popular as it is. The first is ubiquity and ease of deployment. You can write a "PHP script" and put it up on any generic shared host, mostly without needing to consider whether you have access to install and configure all the packages needed.
The second is the way it acts as its own templating system. You can take an HTML file, change its extension to .php, and sprinkle it with . It's quick and easy to get started with, since you can start with just a few lines and build it up from there.
To be clear, PHP is terrible, awful, no-good, very-bad and I don't suggest for a second that anyone use it. But there are reasons for its popularity and I wish people wouldn't ignore them.
Python or Javascript (as in Node). Python is quite slow and can be cumbersome to deploy, but it's elegant and leads to a maintainable codebase. Javascript can be a mess, but it's tolerable if you use ES6, has excellent tooling, and allows you to share some code with the frontend (i.e. validation).
Colton Scott
>Using vanilla JS for a SPA would be aids to maintain. Not really. I'm doing something very close to that right now and it's turning out fine.
Kayden Scott
What do you guys put in your websites footers, making a small business website. It is a workshop, should I put the address and email in there when I have a contact page with all that shit.
I don't know if its bad to have a home page with no address/phone or email.
Jack Wright
>NoSQL
Daniel Watson
Couch is actually good. Unlike Mongo it actually saves your data.
Logan Anderson
Read "a fractal of bad design".
It highlights most of the problems. You can also try folowing the newest RFCs and you'll see that the core devs (the people who vote for new features, changes etc.) are actively voting against any attempt to improve the situation in a meaningful way.
Mason Diaz
To be fair user, maybe it makes sense for your data set. I wouldn't know. In general, though, I can't imagine giving up nice neat normalized joinable analysable tables for blobs of JSON.
Carson Long
Depends on what you want to do exactly. With ease of deployment, there are plenty of web hosts that support Node.js now and Go deployment can be as simple as copying a binary/directory. Most others are ugly and cumbersome to deploy and require complicated systems.
The templating is tied to the paradigm. PHP is inherently a script, while more modern platforms provide stateful, eventful, etc. servers, which is a much more performant and maintainable solution. PHP's script paradigm is generally more unique to it, but both and advantage and disadvantage.
The being easy argument is much less pronounced with more modern solutions, like Node and Go, as they can provide a similar level of ease of use, with other benefits.
Basically, most things that PHP is good at, other platforms do better with comparable ease. And most things PHP sucks at, other platforms don't have.
Brayden White
I have a part time job in a museum and they asked me if I could make a Quiz App for them. It's supposed to be a webapplikation with a dashboard where they can log in and edit the questions.
What Frameworks would you suggest for this? I'm thinking about Node+Express+Mongo for the backend.
Also what's a reasonable price to ask for?
Levi Ward
Can someone post an example of what php includes would look like using node instead?
Total noob question, sorry.
Noah Rodriguez
JSON is not typically blobs. Depending on the DBMS they are analysable, joinable, normalised and/or stored in tables. >making a framework I've done this before. A specialised optimised micro framework (may or may not be in-house) can be fast and maintainable, while not as flexible. The key point of course is that it sacrifices abstraction for performance.
Jason Parker
What's the best next thing to learn for a php developer?
Jeremiah Baker
A different language.
Bentley Evans
A better language.
John Watson
Yes, but which one, dumbasses?
Jeremiah Harris
JS/TS, Go, Elixir - all good choices.
Aaron Ramirez
You want me to use javascript on its own? I've never even heard of Elixir, and I heard not even google themselves use Go, it's a student language.
Isaiah Long
Basically, the one and only reason to use JS is for serverside rendering, allowing you to use a frontend framework to make frontend development feel like it's really 2015 while still getting fast initial renders and SEO. Also, JS is a better language than PHP. At least since ES6(2015) which you can actually use in Node.
Go, Scala or C# are the kinds of languages I would learn.
Michael Fisher
My wife is 27 and she got to be interested in web developing. Is it to late or can she still learn it (on her own) to become a freelance web developer?
She doesn't like her current office job and in future it would be great if she can work from home as we plan to get some kids.
Xavier Mitchell
I do freelance webdev. If you hired me to do this, I would: * Use Node+Express to both process API requests and render page templates * Use PostgreSQL, or even SQLite if the load is as light as it sounds * Use SCSS for styling * Use ES6 with modules for client code, transpiled with Browserify * Use gulp for compiling the various parts
I'd charge probably $1K USD. It's a very small project and I'd only consider accepting it when my workload is light and I need some extra cash.
Charles Collins
>You want me to use javascript on its own? Yes. >I've never even heard of Elixir Now you have. >not even google themselves use Go, it's a student language You've heard this directly from Google employees, I assume, because most of their server software isn't public.
Brandon Martin
>Node Thing is Node isn't very effective for high traffic websites, at least in my experience.
Leo Barnes
>Now you have. That means there won't be any learning material. WDG has been /googling/ since 2010, I should pick something popular.
Thomas Sanders
>You've heard this directly from Google employees, I assume, because most of their server software isn't public. They have said so, yes.
Anthony Jenkins
What should I use on top of spring restful backend?
bootstrap+jquery?
Connor Anderson
Absolutely not, yeah.
Ryan Roberts
I am a bit confused.
Tomorrow I'll be starting an internship at a company that uses Backbone, Underscore and Require.js. I understand the point of the first two and the general way of interacting with Backbone.
Should I switch out Bower + Wiredep in my gulp boilerplate for RequireJS? Right now it spits out a vendor.js file, minified and uglified. Would it be more efficient to use RequireJS?
Mason Diaz
Nope, it isn't. You can still build a network of microservices with it though.
Hudson Ortiz
I just purchased VPS hosting from Leaseweb yesterday. I have around 8 registered domains on namecheap. I've never done this before so I'm not really sure, but how do I get the domains set up for possible use on Leaseweb?
Even if you haven't used Leaseweb I'd appreciate the input. This probably isn't a Leaseweb-specific issue.
I'm just trying to check if I can find info on namecheap now.
Anthony Ross
Even Java is better than PHP. Also it's faaaaast
Levi Martinez
Women and coding don't go together.
Caleb Gonzalez
point your domains to your vps ip and add them to your webservers host list.
Anthony Butler
i know some good female engineers, not sure where this meme comes from
Austin Allen
you may want to do a require tutorial to get used to it, but once you start they should tell you what workflow to use I would think
don't try and change their mind about require until you figure out who would get all butthurt about it. also, require is fine.
William King
You to go to Namecheap and ask for a domain transfer. You will get an EPP code that you can enter on Leaseweb.
>1. Requesting EPP transfer code from the current provider. You need this code to transfer the domain name. Also make sure you unlock the domain name at the current provider, so you can transfer the domain name away. 2. Request transfer at your new host (Leaseweb) 3. The admin contact of the domain name will receive a link which needs to be clicked to confirm the transfer request. 4. The domain name will then be transferred within 5 days.
Andrew Lewis
Thanks user, will do that.
Kevin Roberts
learn node and js, because all php jobs are webdev jobs, and js is becoming a bigger and bigger part of all webdev jobs. source: work with drupal and wordpress every day, seeing more and more and more node popping up everywhere.
Parker White
Really 1k only? What do you charge an hour?
Benjamin Adams
>Really 1k only? What are you expecting for a quiz app?
William Roberts
>$1k I charged more using modified bootstrap, you can push for more shekels if you're doing the styling yourself.
Owen Diaz
thanks man
I'll look into it if other method falls through
Tyler White
>Really 1k only?
Adrian Barnes
The Quiz part obviously isn't hard. But the Dashboard is essentially a custom CMS that needs authorization. They also want me to incorporate Analytics
Joshua Gray
They also asked me if it's possible to incorporate something like QR Codes into the quiz. Imagine the answer for a question is a hidden QR-Code somewhere in the museum that you have to scan. Would that be hard to do?
