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Did you not read the form?
For portable and public use, sure.
But I just want to know each one is the best. I'm not going to buy it.
wich*
*which
>But I just want to know each one is the best.
Why are you asking if you aren't going to-
Nevermind.
>Asking "Hey guys, what's your opinion on x?" is frowned upon.
Witch*
It's not "x". It's a comparison between x, y and z.
they're all shit
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Thank you.
Witch one is the less shittier?
I like my urbanears.
JBL always dull
Philips always too squeaky clean.
I like my cucked out swedish hipstershit headphones.
Oh, I forgot the Sennheisers. Right. So you wanna be a wannabe DJ?
I thoroughly enjoy my overpriced cucked out hipstershit faggotass mediocre swedish headphones.
>Budget
$80
>Location
Earth.
>Source
Notebook.
>Preferred type of headphone
Full.
>Open or closed
Open.
>Comfort level
None.
>Preferred tonal balance
>Preferred music
Dark Ambient, Techno, Industrial, Black Metal.
>Past headphones
Superlux HD681
>Witch one is the less shittier
>Witch one
>Witch
2spooky4me
For everything else than comfort I agree.
And price-performance ratio.
Stop posting these 9gag level facepalm/fail -reaction images already. You do it in every thread after an idiotic argument(read: in a case where you call other user a retard and/or enforce some unwritten thread rules).
I meant that I prefer good in-ears to headphones in every other aspect than comfort where(some) headphones are much more comfy. In terms of price to performance in-ears are unmatched.
>Stop posting these 9gag level facepalm/fail -reaction images already.
>In terms of price to performance in-ears are unmatched.
Which*
even worst pepes are better than this shit
id agree with that
>id agree with that
No wonder, samefag.
Sounds about right, not sure why you're meme texting tho
>Sounds about right
Let's get this shit straight. You are saying that a $100 set of IEMs sound better than $100 headphones, open or closed?
That's exactly what I'm saying, I'm not sure why you find this so hard to believe.
IEMs are inherently superior to headphones.
>I'm not sure why you find this so hard to believe.
Tiny little 10mm drivers sound better than 40 or 50mm drivers? That doesn't seem a ludicrous claim to make?
Always depends on the model.
For example, I would take a HF5 over something like the M40x or 558. It's still an apples to oranges comparison and completely subjective.
Yes indeed, imo. A lot of the cheapest IEMs only suffer from abundance of bass which is easily fixed with EQ. Their distortion and bandwidth is usually excellent and in the best case the response is fairly smooth, too. I don't think there are many if any headphones which can compete with best Etys.
Driver size is a completely irrelevant thing to focus on.
>bigger driver is better
>I would take a HF5 over something like the M40x or 558
That's not the assertion made. The assertion made is that something like the SE215 sounds better than the HM5 or 558.
>Driver size is a completely irrelevant thing to focus on.
Driver size does not affect SPL or SQ?
It certainly provides for more engineering and quality component choice.
I'm stunned there are idiots this seriously retarded.
I'm basing my claims off of the numerous IEM's and headphones I've auditioned and owned. Under $150-$200, IEMs just smokes headphones in fidelity, imaging, and instrument separation. Above that... Well then I'd say it becomes preference really.
>Under $150-$200, IEMs just smokes headphones in fidelity, imaging, and instrument separation.
List your models and experience. I'm all but certain it is going to be very different from my own experience amped or unamped. The only benefit IEMs have over headphones of equal price is sensitivity.
>instrument separation
Because IEMs in that price range are not limited to headspace and can have a similar sound stage to open headphones in that price range?
Nevermind answering the above. I'm sure your talking complete shit now.
>instrument separation is the same as soundstage
Yeah, you're a fucking idiot, literally no point in arguing with you.
>I have magic ears! I can hear separation in instruments when they are congested together in a tiny headstage!
just got my q701. first impressions:
upper mids into highs not ear-rape or fatiguing, but definitely "cold" sounding. mids are not as deliciously smooth as my 598, but overall it sounds more clear. bass is better; better extended and has a bit more impact. not bassy but these are far from nobass. soundstage is crazy wide. I can see what people said about unnatural soundstage but it's not a bad thing imo, it gives a very outside the head feeling, even more than the 598 which was already damn spacious.
comfort is ok, even with the bumps, though I am going to pad the band some. pads are a bit stiff but the stretchiness of the elastic and the light weight help a lot. a bit hard to drive, even more than my mad dogs.
responds better to eq than the 598 in terms of adding bass. people talk about AKG like it's all upper mids, and it does have that cold character, but it's also a great all-rounder, no serious problems here.
compared to 598 because its the closest I have.
hd600 next I think.
Why the old Q701 and not the K702?
>Driver size does not affect SPL or SQ?
It certainly does but not in a manner that could be derived from the mere size of the driver. Driver size and type are means to an end.
>I'm stunned there are idiots this seriously retarded.
Great going man.
not in every case but IEMs destroy at lower price points. you do hit diminishing returns earlier, and personally I don't see a point to buying expensive IEMs because they will always have an inside the head sound, but there are IEMs
>It certainly does but not in a manner that could be derived from the mere size of the driver
Then the previous assertion is refuted.
>Driver size is a completely irrelevant thing to focus on
I wonder if there is a reason why the big three are have large drivers. Hmmm. . .
>not in every case but IEMs destroy at lower price points
I have to disagree with you there. Monoprices and Kossessound far better than the Piston 3s and the like. Low end IEMs tend to unbalanced shit and the rare decent ones still cannot match.
Would you guys recommend MDR-7506s for travel (phone) and laptop use ?
>Budget
My budget is 50-200
>Previous Set
Senheiser Game One (i know gaymer shit)
Tell me.
Any particular reason you want fullsized for travel instead of IEMs?
Because they don't go in your ears you imbecile.
Normally for that price in open cans the suggestion is the SHP9500 but they don't have much impact which you will want for your preferred music.
No reason, i just heard its the best you can do in that range ; what you get for your $
>Because they don't go in your ears you imbecile.
It seems you missed the point. Let's try another.
I wonder why there aren't any IEMs that are compared to the big 3. Hmm. . .
also i hate in-ear headphones, they are very uncomfortable after 1hr of use
The big 3 are dated. IEMs aren't compared to headphones for the same reason headphones aren't compared to loudspeakers.
IEMs, again, are inherently superior to headphones.
>Then the previous assertion is refuted.
No. The point is that you can't deduct anything about the headphone performance from the driver size.
>I wonder if there is a reason why the big three are have large drivers. Hmmm. . .
Except they don't? Sennheiser drivers are rather small. Unless your definition of large is something else or if you are comparing the drivers of circumaural headphones to in-ears.
I can think plenty of headphones with way larger drivers and much worse performance than "big three". It's not a trait of quality and not something you should focus on. End result is all that matters.
It's quite evident that even the tiny in-ear drivers can reproduce a very high SPL with minimal distortion(lower than larger headphone drivers in many cases), excellent bandwidth and fairly linear response.
For mobile/portable use an IEM is generally a better choice. More compact, lighter, easier to use in compact circumstances (bus seat, airplane, etc.)
Check out the RHA MA750.
>The big 3 are dated.
>I wonder why there aren't any IEMs that are compared to the big 3. Hmm. . .
Why would anyone make this comparison? What would be the purpose of it? You have no point.
I use powebeats wireless bluetooth earphones. No real complaints.
>hurdur I know nothing about headphones at all
Why do you even post here?
because the differences seem minimal, plus I heard a lot of good stuff about the bassport mod which is mostly on the q701, and because I got them for $100. impulse buy.
actually looking at tylls measurements now the k702 seems to have much less bass roll off, but it does it by having a huge arch through the bass and mids. in my experience I don't like that kind of response and the k/q701 seems more even. the 701, 712, and 65th annie look the best to me, 702 and k7xx look the worst.
>Budget
200-250
>Location
Australia
>Source
Nexus 6p, Laptop (Dell)
>Preferred type of headphone
Over-ears
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
I don't care (as long as its not fabric)
>Preferred music
Blues, Jazz
>Past Headphones
Doesn't matter, i hated all of them
Senheiser Game One(shitty material)
Some IEMs (All IEMs start to irritate my ears so im not looking for them)
>The point is that you can't deduct anything about the headphone performance from the driver size.
I have to disagree with you there if only because of the breadth and wealth of choice in comparative quality. Every great sounding, great selling headphone use large drivers be they dynamic, planar, or electrostat.
>Why would anyone make this comparison?
That's a retarded question. Why does anyone compare one headphone to another? To make sure they aren't being suckered into buying snake oil? To not spend more for what you are getting when there are better alternatives? If you could get the sound quality of an HD600 in an IEM for the same price most people would buy the IEMs over the HD600.
What is the headphone I am looking foward to in order to serve my purposes soundlike?
You make a demonstrably retarded statement about the big three and you think other people know nothing about headphones?
There are no words to describe how ironic your post is.
>Monoprices
like the 8323? those were one of my first buys and I ended up hating them. piston 3 is waaay better imo. not only in sound but build quality by far. if there is a value headphone that threatens IEMs it's the th-02. but like the monoprice it needs comfort mods. ksc75 would be another. but when you can get a good sounding hje-120k for $7 it's hard to argue headphones offer better value. it's just impossible to have a decent over-ear build at that kind of price.
MSR7
>Every great sounding, great selling headphone use large drivers be they dynamic, planar, or electrostat.
I see no correlation with this.
You keep trying to sound like you know what you're talking about while you have 3 people responding to your inability to understand basic concepts.
>like the 8323?
Sorry. Meant Superlux.
Then you are blind or cherry-picking.
Argumentum ad populum. This is especially poignant during summertime.
>projecting how new you are
How adorable.
Not him and I'm certainly not an expert, but I hear closed headphones have a much bigger impact than open headphones at lower price ranges.
Open headphones tend to be airy and natural with the sound coming from around you, whereas closed headphones tend to have the whole "jackhammer of sound being drilled directly into the center of your skull" effect
open headphones would be better for classical, country, prog rock, and pop, and closed headphones would likely be better for high impact high bass techno, industrial, and the like
Aw. Poor baby got caught presenting poor logic and resorts to personal insults.
Especially retarded personal insults. How am I "projecting" an argument of popular opinion when YOU are the only one who presented such an argument? You might want to look up what a buzzword means before you start bantering it about.
Would you like some more rope?
no. the cable is very long, bulky, and the terminating male end is large and will probably conflict with a phone case. I love the v6 but it's not very portable, also poor isolation. m40x is similar and can take a short cable. CAL is only 50 and sounds amazing, and it's lightweight and portable with a short cable, but the build quality is not the best. doesn't fold but you can do a mod so the cups lie flat.
>autist needs to have his 'final word' to 'win' the 'internet argument'
So if I prove you wrong and leave you with the last post does that mean I lose?
Why do idiots try to use this ploy when they don't understand its meaning?
What about MSR7 ?
Im this guy
>still needs to reply
You just continue to expose yourself as new. I'm embarrassed for you. Chances are you'll reply to this as well, knowing how severely autistic you are.
So when are diminishing returns for
>IEMs
>Closed headphones
>Open headphones
>Bookshelves
>Why do idiots try to use this ploy when they don't understand its meaning?
Because he suffered humiliation by it and project their personal failings on others and expect them to feel just as humiliated when he uses it.
owned the 668b, 661 and evo. all great for what they are. but again, comfort and minor build problems, and they're not as even or refined as the piston 3 imo, though being big and open they win out in soudstage and that open sound. never had the 681 but I know like the 668b it has a treble spike that needs serious taming. detail is as good or better on the 668b, evo is good for a fart cannon but that's what it is, like the piston 2 or hybrid. but just think about it. 668b is like 40-50. 681 I have seen as low as 30. piston 3 is like $16.
I don't think IEMs are better though, they have a confined sound that will always be there, which is why I don't use them at my desk, only for portable use really.
>comfort and minor build problems
Not relevant to an assertion based upon sound quality. See> You are saying that a $100 set of IEMs sound better than $100 headphones, open or closed?
$59 MK5s are more accurate than any headphone will ever likely be.
you want more bass? 668b, evo if you want crazy bass. but there are very few bassy or even outright warm open headphones. you would probably love the l2 or x2 but they're way out of your range. you could stretch to the 558, do the sticker mod and boost the bass, but it wont give you that driving bass sound. I would go closed at that price if I were you.
You are basically asking for opinions but the point of highly diminshing returns for me would be:
60e for in-ears - Etymotic MK5
100e for closed headphones - Sony MDR-7506
100e for open headphones - Sennheiser HD 558
300e for a pair of active loudspeakers - JBL LSR305
You can get better for more but you'll have to pay a lot more in some cases where value, although very subjective, goes down. There's also a point of no/negative returns in a lot of audio products where you get worse performance for more money. A lot of audio products don't really scale well in terms of pricing and expecting to get a better product by paying more is unwise. My list of diminishing returns is based on those specific models and how well they given their competition.
>how well they perform
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at that price point there are basically 2 really good options for closed and you should choose based on your sig pref:
msr7: a bit on the bright side of neutral, and cold sounding, but very even across the board.
hp50: less neutral but not by a lot, on the warm side. not very bassy but easy listening. one of the most balanced warm headphones.
I think either would good for your music, but where would you like a bit of emphasis on your instruments, on the lower end or towards the higher end? just my opinion but for jazz it really depends, with blues warm is better.
Do you think mdr-7506s are fine ? Im thinking of getting a shorter cable and an amp for them
Can anyone who has tried both of the Beyerdynamic DT 990 250 Ohm and 600 Ohm tell me if the sound quality difference is worth an amp investment? I have a mild amp on my soundcard, but it's only rated to 330 Ohm
Feel free to prove me wrong, headphones can't do treble or subbass.
I challenge you to find a single headphone on the market more accurate than the MK5.
not that guy. personally I think IEMs hit diminishing returns hard after like $70. IEMs dominate the lower price points, especially since in the last few years you can get cheap suff that competes were the $100 stuff was previously. really expensive IEMs and CIEMs are a waste and many are scams imo, but it depends on your use. if you're really in situations where you can't or don't want to use headphones I can see some of the proven expensive IEMs being worth it. but not, IEMs are not 100% a better value every time at every price point, no single sound reproduction device is.
>IEMs are not 100% a better value every time at every price point, no single sound reproduction device is.
How are they not? $60 IEMs beat any headphone on the market and they're not the best IEMs out there.
all around? yeah I think they're one of the best headphones period (after eq and new pads). but for portable I would not recommend them unless you're going to do a cable mod and get auray leather pads. if you want a portable that is less than the hp50 or msr7 get the k553.
they don't need an amp btw
because they often have poor comfort, and they will always have a confined inside the head sound that is less natural than headphones or speakers because they don't interact with your entire ear. and frankly it sounds like you're speaking as an ety evangelist who think they're great because they measure well a lot of the time and you're ignoring the serious flaws they have, like upper mids emphasis, generally bright sound, lacking bass. ety's are not neutral and the sig and comfort are the opposite of what many people like.