Net Neutrality is dead

So it's official. One of these people will be the next president of the United States.
Whoever wins, the Internet loses.

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rt.com/usa/257377-tpp-deal-trump-criticism/
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When trump realises what he's doing to the internet, he will most likely stop.

Hillary on the other hand... Not sure about her.

Kill them both?

lol

>When trump realises what he's doing to the internet
He's doing nothing. The worst thing he said is taking the middle east offline.

I hope he does, with ICBMs

>implying either will be president

Iraq regularly takes its country's internet offline, so this wouldn't be an unusual step. Carter also banned all Muslim immigrants. And Obama deliberately assassinated Al-Awlaki's teenage, American son.

The things that Trump pushes for have been US policy for years. It's just that "polite society" deems it inappropriate to explicitly advocate those policies.

Net neutrality is literally a garbage bill. It's only being supported by companies like Google and Netflix because they want to shunt the costs of their data down to consumers instead of paying for it in their own. I am legitimately glad that both of them will get rid of it.

>those people over there should all die because I don't agree with them

You're no better than the terrorists you loathe.

Trump is going to be president.
He won't do anything to harm your ability to shitpost in private.

MAGA

Exactly. People act like he wants to shut down the Internet or something equally retarded. Then again Sup Forums is filled with idiots who read headlines and think that makes them informed.

No him but do you even know how war works? ISIS has declared war on the US and western civilization in general. Grow up.

I hear conservatives shill this a lot. They may have a point - taking the power of internet censorship away from the gov't and into private company hands.

the classic libby reaction

It is more like
>those people over there should all die because they are a burden to the world

lol Trump is going to win

Roughly half the Dem party supports Sanders, and half of those people flat out refuse to vote for Clinton. That means we're going to see two possibilities:

>A repeat of the 1992 election, where a third party gets ~20% of the vote. In 1992, Perot took votes away from Bush Sr. which led to Clinton winning. In 2016, Stein or Sanders as a third party will take away 20% of the vote and Trump will win.
>Half of those Sanders supporters will stay home on election day. Easy win for Trump, since the polls already show that Clinton is insanely unpopular.

>Roughly half the Dem party supports Sanders, and half of those people flat out refuse to vote for Clinton.

source?

Not him, but how does net neutrality fix anything? I'm sure you'd agree things like data caps, traffic shaping, slow speeds, shitty infrastructure are all huge issues right now with Internet in the US, only one of which is affected by net neutrality at all.
People who are for net neutrality are basically saying "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M HIP AND WITH THE TIMES" because they clearly don't understand the larger issue at hand here, which is lack of competition. Instead of making it easier, or even giving fucking incentives for new ISPs to start up, people want MORE regulation. It's insanity.

Let say Hillary is next POTUS.
Goes full on Net-Neu.

Can the people of the US sue/veto, or impeach her in someway?
Wouldn't that fall under the ""violation of public trust"?

MAXIM MU FERAKIGN KEKS

I'm both the author of both posts you responded to, you mongrel.

The terrorist boogie man is a sham. If there's anything the last 15 years has taught us its that we can't approach this problem with a sledgehammer. The policies of the US are the reason that terrorism has spread from the tribal regions of Afghanistan to the entire region.

If you look at both the history of ISIS and Al-Qaeda its easy to see that the US trained and armed these factions during their early years. Even now, ISIS is explicitly funded by country's we are allied with. And the US saw this coming as early as 2012. See pic, which was part of a DIA study on ISIS.

Creating conflict is the name of the game, not fighting terrorism. Hell, there isn't even an objective definition of terrorism, or even a list of who the US believes its fighting.

>there are a few hundred people that don't like us so let's destabilize a country of 30 million and spend trillions fighting them

Great logic.

Are you trying to imply that Libertarian will win?

This election is going to be really interesting.
>trump running as a joke and liberals get super butthurt
>sanders running entirely on hopeful millennials who know nothing about politics
>clinton is unpopular except with people that just vote Democrat because it's been the better choice for them
I'm going to enjoy November

>replying seriously to hurr durr we need to nuke da middle east posts

>net neutrality
>good

It *might* be a terrible mess actually. I'm not sure if I trust Obama, Clinton, or Trump to not abuse this privilege. It's like socialism of the internet.

Easy solution: implement TOR on a large scale for ALL internet services.

kill the dog

is this the guaca peddler?

This.

Nice to see that my beliefs are confirmed. Sup Forums is brain dead and unemployed.
Feel the bern kids.

>spend trillions
>not just glassing the place with nukes
baka desu senpai

I'm going to really enjoy the butthurt and the inevitable conspiracy theories when Clinton wins the election. All the dipshits who get literally all their political knowledge from the Sup Forums echo chamber and who honestly believe their internal memes about how the entire country hates Clinton and loves Trump despite hillary maintaining commanding leads on him in the polls for a year. just like they were convinced romney and mccain were going to wipe the floor with obama only to get blown the fuck out. good times ahead.

I mean you're right but Washington doesn't give a shit.

Yeah I know. I guess I hope that that person puts serious thought into their beliefs instead of regurgitating shit they hear their drunk father screaming at the tv.

That "just turn it into a parking lot" mentality is the same mentality that the terrorists have regarding Americans.

>I'm both the author of both posts you responded to, you mongrel.
First off you should learn what the word "mongrel" means, especially in relation to humans. Second your post is already clearly off to a bad start if you think you can't be wrong in one aspect and correct in another. Your two statements are not mutual, so why would I have to agree with you on both of them to not be a "mongrel"?

>The terrorist boogie man is a sham. If there's anything the last 15 years has taught us its that we can't approach this problem with a sledgehammer.
Right, you approach it with a scalpel. Do you know how strong ISIS is in terms of man power? They have less than 50,000 combatants. That's a very small force, especially when you consider they are going to be stretched thin defending their caliphate right now. Unlike Al Queida, most of ISIS is in a well defined area, not scattered all over the middle east in caves and bunkers.

>If you look at both the history of ISIS and Al-Qaeda its easy to see that the US trained and armed these factions during their early years
Irrelevant to the current situation. They are an open threat and they need to be dealt with. It doesn't matter where they got their arms from.

>Even now, ISIS is explicitly funded by country's we are allied with. And the US saw this coming as early as 2012. See pic, which was part of a DIA study on ISIS.
Trump points this out every chance he gets. Are you trying to help his argument here?

>Creating conflict is the name of the game, not fighting terrorism.
The conflict already exists you uninformed dunce. THEY declared WAR on the US, among other countries. They have attacked places like Brussels and taken the lives of both Europeans and Americans. They are a small force, so why not deal with them now instead of waiting years, allowing them to grow into an even more serious threat?

Yeah but we have the guns
Hell we are the ones supplying a lot of the terrorists

>When ___ realises what he's doing to the ___, he will most likely stop.
No politician works like this

this reeks of reddit

Net neutrality is good.
eff.org/issues/net-neutrality
fsf.org/blogs/community/tell-the-fcc-net-neutrality-is-still-crucial-to-free-software

>let's destabilize a country of 30 million
I guess you've been living under a rock since 2010.

for one minute i really misunderstood that post and i thought the FSF was encouraging a non-neutral internet

Trump loves twitter. Once he realises he won't be able to piss off liberals, he will not implement it.

Net Neutrality is barely worth anything. The real problem is the fact that there is NO competition with an extremely high, or legally insurmountable, barrier to entry for new ISPs, even municipal ISPs.
It's like putting a band-aid on an axe wound. Sure it might help a little, but you're still fucked.

>land of the free
If the US gets off from the internet, nothing of value will have been lost. Americlaps need to learn that they are in fact largely irrelevant outside of their little bubble

>assassinating leaders and training rebels to fight for us in using a sledgehammer

you fucking nigger the stealthy cia shit is what doesnt work. this idea that there are "good" sandniggers and "bad" ones is what got us in this situation. faggots americans have a strong tendency to see the underdogs are the good guys and then we support them but guess what? they are pieces of shit too, probably the biggest pieces of shit which is how they manage to end up the underdogs in the first place with the majority trying to exterminate them

a sledgehammer solution is what works, not working with our "allies" in the middle east but doing shit ourselves.

blocking all sandnigger immigration wont do any good though because its too late and the us is already infested with the subhumans

but the dog is cute, give it to me instead.

is this ironic shitposting? world trade would literally stop dead in its tracks the DAY the us withdrew from the sea. not to mention the countless other things the us does on a daily basis that keeps the world going (like protecting you nigger europoors with our military)

Europoors get shit for free all the time without realizing how it's paid for. Kind of like what they call "free healthcare".
>lol I go to the emergency dept and pay nothing! I get treated and it's all 100% free!

>all those people who voted for shillary instead of bernie

how can people be such dumbdumbs

People in the periphery of the Roman Empire LOVED to complain about Rome.

I'm on my handy, so ill reply as best I can.

The conflict was created when the US, Turkey, UAE, and the Saudis determined there should be regime change in Syria. These countries funded "moderate rebels" that ended up turning into or getting conquered by Al-Qaeda affiliates. Despite us knowing this, we still funded and trained them. Creating conflict for regime change was more important than stability and anti-terrorism, despite what they tell us.

If we want to stop them then tell our allies to stop sending weapons and training to them.

If the sledgehammer works then why did Iraq and Afghanistan turn out like they have? We've created more terrorists, not less. See pic which is from a US study on terrorism funded by the Rumsfeld DoD.

>Trump is against TPP
>Trump is against SOPA because Hollywood lobbyist
>Trump is against any form of government hindering american citizens
>sans Patriot Act of course
>Will probably ban all IP addresses from south america from accessing US servers
>this includes Brazil

Trump winning will be the best thing to happen to the internet. I hate the guy, but my inner basement dweller knows the benefits he'll bring

MAGA

ISP competition is a separate problem. The aim of net neutrality is to prevent content providers from buying an unfair advantage over other content providers. Think Netflix and Youtube, not Comcast and AT&T

>The conflict was created when the US, Turkey, UAE, and the Saudis determined there should be regime change in Syria. These countries funded "moderate rebels" that ended up turning into or getting conquered by Al-Qaeda affiliates. Despite us knowing this, we still funded and trained them. Creating conflict for regime change was more important than stability and anti-terrorism, despite what they tell us.
Again, that isn't very relevant anymore. The window of opportunity to fix that mistake has LONG since passed.

>If we want to stop them then tell our allies to stop sending weapons and training to them.
That's exactly what Donald Trump keeps saying he wants to do. He does it nearly every interview and at every single stump speech. You're clearly somewhat informed, but you really need to keep it up to date. It's not 2013 anymore.

Economic entanglement is what keeps trade moving and countries from piracy. International trade wouldn't fall apart without US intervention.

They are smarter than Bernie supporters desu.

Have you seen his tax plan. It is idiotic

fuck off commie

People are afraid of 1) rocking the boat too much, and 2) Bernie raising their taxes. Clinton is perceived as the "safe" choice, which is ironic because by definition she's the conservative/status quo candidate. People think that electing Clinton will continue us on the road to going back to the 90's Clinton era.

As for Trump, many of the old school Republicans don't like him because he isn't the conservative, status quo candidate they've always gone for.

So yeah, I guess it will be pretty interesting to see how this all plays out in Nov.

Trump 2016

>this is what amerifats are indoctrinated to believe
You fags have your own heads so far up your arses that you can't distinguish reality from the TV you watch.

>or even giving fucking incentives for new ISPs to start up
This has absolutely nothing to do with Net Neutrality.

>MORE regulation.
When your ISP is a monopoly, regulation is necessary. Don't be stupid, Comcast and every other last mile ISP will rape the shit out of you in public for their personal satisfaction.

youre literally posting a pic about why "winning their hearts and minds" doesnt work. thats the fucking point I AM making. stop pussyfooting around and shove our giant dick down their throat without any other pretense then "we are here to kill anyone who disagrees with us".

fight it likes its a fucking war (which it is) instead of getting into countless vietnams. those sandniggers dont give a fuck about us and they dont see anything we do as "good". thats fine. we arent there to help them, we are there to help ourselves because they cant control their shit

russia would have sorted all this out if we hadn't armed the our greatest ally osama and others with high tech to fight them off

>Trump is against SOPA because Hollywood lobbyist
But Trump can't be bought. Isn't that his whole appeal?

He's already been bought. That's why he's rich. His constant backpedalling should have clued you in.

That wouldn't be a possibility if there was any real choice in ISPs. And I'm sure you remember how people portrayed Net Neutrality as a "make or break" regulation for the Internet, hyping it up to be something it never was or never will be. I remember some people even arguing that it'd end caps.

this thread reeks of culturally enriched l'edditors
nuke yourselves

What happened to Bernie?

who?

>International trade wouldn't fall apart without US intervention.

the us navy keeps trade lanes open and free of chinese/korean/philippines/etc/etc/etc shenanigans on a daily basis. that fact that you dont know this just shows how fucking clueless you are

there is no other navy on the face of the planet with enough power to do the same.

what has he ever backpedaled on?

Bernie is over. Look at today's results.

Bernie Sanders. I thought he was going to become president.

care you provide some of your insightful wisdom?

>
>who?
perpetuating that meme is just pathetic

>2) Bernie raising their taxes.
Another case of people thinking they are down on their luck millionaires..
Remember the median household income in the US is $51,939

Maybe the public in general has gotten sick of Obama
A large majority of voters just vote along party lines no matter what

The FCC can't magically "fix everything" with a single new regulation code. Net neutrality tackles traffic shaping. This is important. This does not diminish the importance of all the other problems.

reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4n24xz/ca_mt_nj_nd_nm_sd_results_mega_thread/

Enjoy the reddit tears.

more amerifat delusion coming in!

>This has absolutely nothing to do with Net Neutrality.
You missed half my post somehow. You should try again.

>When your ISP is a monopoly, regulation is necessary.
Here's a crazy idea that DEFINITELY has NEVER been done before. Break up the monopolies. Or better yet, make it so, here it is again, there are incentives for new ISPs to provide competition.
But clearly those are idiotic and have no record of success. We need to keep adding more regulations to make sure no other ISPs ever have a chance at starting up.

>Don't be stupid, Comcast and every other last mile ISP will rape the shit out of you in public for their personal satisfaction.
They basically already are, so what's your point again?

he means he is against SOPA BECAUSE it's by Hollywood lobbyist. SOPA is to stop "muh piracy".

SOPA and TPP are literally the only issues I care about other than Global Warming..... I'm so freaking confused right now...am I actually willing to MAGA??

First I thought he was a joke, then he becomes the only candidate that can stop TPP.....

I'm arguing the point, not for a politician. The problem is this pattern of: fund the insurgents, prop up the dictator, declare war when our guy is gone. For a country that purports to be the "leader of the free world" we've funded far more than our share of tyrants, terrorists, and rebellions.

>American intervention creates hostility and terrorism in the region
>lets fight that by invading them

Ok... that's about as sound as the logic Bush used with the Patriot Act:

>they hate us for our freedom
>lets fight them by shredding civil liberties

There is too much money on the table for any shenanigans. It's in everyone's economic interest to keep international trade running smoothly. Perhaps that is the US justification for their power projection in the region, but its not reality.

Trump is against TPP too
rt.com/usa/257377-tpp-deal-trump-criticism/

Stopping Muslims. Building a wall. When he started getting more popular and becoming a serious candidate he said it was "just an idea". He said the wall was "negotiable".

This thread keeps reminding me why the american education system is a total disaster

This thread makes me wish i was born an American.

>Guys I'm a European. I'm so cultured and witty.
Why do Europeans do this every chance they get? It's almost as cringy as "grrrrrrrl gamers"

>huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue

>American intervention creates hostility and terrorism in the region
>lets fight that by invading them
I'm sure you realize that it's an elaborate game. I'm no tinfoil hat, but when you look at all the events that preceded 9/11 it becomes more and more obvious as time goes on.

is this the only thing you can respond with you uneducated nigger?

>There is too much money on the table for any shenanigans

i dont think you understand. i mean the us navy literally sorts out actual altercations that happen, not that everything runs smoothly now but that if the us left there would be trouble. if the us left the shit that routinely goes down wouldnt have a super power to put them in line and at the very least trade lanes would be fucked to hell and its very possible war would break out in east/southeast asia

by the war by your logic war has never happened in human history because its bad for business

Not saying it was da joos.

But he said something about the Rockefeller family and after that rally he wasn't as tough with his views

FCC doesn't handle breaking up monopolies, DoJ does.

I agree with your points about incentives and breaking up monopolies, but I also believe that net neutrality is an important regulation. I don't think it's particularly difficult for startups to comply with net neutrality.

>They basically already are, so what's your point again?
Things being bad doesn't mean they can't get worse

>is this the only thing you can respond with you uneducated nigger?
it's the only thing retards understand/can relate to

no he hasn't

>American intervention creates hostility and terrorism in the region
are you actually suggesting that america created terrorism? that no terrorism existed in the area before the us arrived on scene? where are you from user?

Is he gone for sure or is there hope? I'll vote for Trump now because there's no way I'm letting a woman rule this country.

America is just absolutely fucked

Two despicable candidates. What the fuck do you even do at this point?

How the hell did you idiots not vote in Bernie?

Man, no need to be so hard on yourself.

happens every year with every republican potential, during the primaries they go way, way right to win the nomination and afterwards they back pedal to try and win over the real swing votes which are moderates.

americucks just haven't realised yet what a laughing stock it is to the rest of the world.

>wanting a socialist

We need a great shift of balance right now. Obama was setting up for socialism at the start cause the democrats know the people want to depend on the government more, and with government power means we're going to have our rights taken away piece by piece. Bernie is not for individual freedom. Trump is.

Because Bernie is like, shit maybe.

If it were anyone vs Bernie the person against Bernie would win

Polls say the complete opposite of this. Why do you post things before checking them first?