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It's that time of month again, pacaur refuses to update packages:
$ pacaur -Syu

:: Synchronizing package databases...
core is up to date
extra is up to date
community is up to date
multilib is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: spl-linux: installing linux (4.6.1-2) breaks dependency 'linux=4.5.4'
:: zfs-linux: installing linux (4.6.1-2) breaks dependency 'linux=4.5.4'
:: zfs-utils-linux: installing linux (4.6.1-2) breaks dependency 'linux=4.5.4'
:: Starting AUR upgrade...
:: resolving dependencies...
:: no results found for dependencies)


What does the error "no results found for dependencies)" mean? It just throws that and exits.
I assume it's something related to ZFS packages, but I don't want to reinstall them manually every time kernel updates. Any way to prevent that?

· The "stable" distribution contains the latest officially released distribution of Debian.

The current "stable" distribution of Debian is version 8, codenamed jessie.

· The "testing" distribution contains packages that haven't been accepted into a "stable" release yet, but they are in the queue for that. The main advantage of using this distribution is that it has more recent versions of software.

The current "testing" distribution is stretch.

· The "unstable" distribution is where active development of Debian occurs. Generally, this distribution is run by developers and those who like to live on the edge.

The "unstable" distribution is always called sid.

I'm curious, for a first distro, could anyone here sell Ubuntu (even without Unity) over Debian Testing? Heck, what even are the reasons to not use Debian Testing?

Sorry to ask once more, but no one could help me on last week threads and posting on the arch forum didnt help.

Basically, I cloned my disk to a new one, larger, and ever since I keep receiving errors like systemd-journald[179]: Failed to write entry (12 items, 337 bytes), ignoring: Cannot assign requested address.

there is nothing but this error message when I type dmesg...

here is my full post : bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1631964

I'd be glad if someone can help me on this one. I'm about to do a fresh install but I want to understand what's wrong.

One thing that I would add is that the names "testing" and unstable make it sound as if they're the only ones worth using, and that sid is a box of scraps stuck together with tape.

When debian release a new "stable", they don't just mean it's ready to go, they mean that release could reliably be used on a server expected to run for months on end without reboots.
Testing is only "testing" in the sense of making sure that things run as smoothly as possible for extraordinary lengths of time.

For comparison, I'd say that any given release of Windows is on the same level as, or slightly less stable than debain unstable (sid).
The closest they have to a testing branch is release candidates, and they don't actually have any stable releases at all, as the updates cover much more than just security fixes.
Maybe by service pack 2 or 3 you could consider a release of windows "stable", but by then everyone else is probably on the next version anyway.

you posted this before and i answered before, basically, freeze and lazy people that don't want to edit a text file.

Should I espect random breaking on sid like on Arch or is sid more stable? Anyone could share experiences?

If you read the release notes for updates, it should be fine.
Never just blindly run updates without checking the notes, they only include them if there is something important to mention.

What the fuck does Lord Autism even do all day on his laptop if he doesn't even browse the web properly? What projects is he working on? Does he just type things into the console?

He's making the world a better place.

...

I just installed gentoo, but when I try to do "emerge --ask xorg-server", I get an error that starts with "Fetch failed for 'sys-libs/libutempter-1.1.6-r1',"

I've installed X and Xorg and shit before, but how to install wayland and sway? on arch?

Post unknown, but potentially installed goodies.

Kickin' the ball with: xedit

Where it this? Those are some nice trains.

>I can install gentoo on any hardware with any config with a single try
>it took me over 20 tries to successfully install ubuntu in a way that it's actually bootable, and 90% of the tries the system didn't even install due to the installer bugging out
>still couldn't do any manual partitioning setup
>also if there's a lvm on the disk before the installer tries to partition it, the installer blocks forever with no indication thereof
UMMMMM FREETARDS?

Zürich. Those are Cobra Trams.

Not in its current state. The installer is broken and you'll never be able to install ubuntu if it's your first distro. However, ubuntu has more packages and doesn't shy away from proprietary packages so you can have your drivers and firmware without mocking around for days like you would in debian.

Whats the most basic use of findimagedupes to check for duplicate images?
I just need it to echo the dupes of a single folder out so I can manually compare and then remove them

I know it probably seemed like you were making a point when you wrote that, but nobody has a fucking clue what you are trying to say.

Found the inbred

Apt-listbugs makes you aware of problems before yoilu get them usually but it can break of course. You should at least read the wiki page before using it. And a bit of experience wouldn't hurt.
Only use aptitude or apt-get, never both on the same install.

Wayland and xwayland are packages.

...

Info, cmus, stterm (sometimes just st), cat, any gnu coreutil, imagemagick

>mocking around for days
>sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
>add contrib and nonfree
>ctrl+x

>more packages
Source? Debian has a fuckload of packages that get more updates than buntu.

Why does every Distro have openbox as an additional DE alternative? Just have it automatically included for a speedier option.

Anyone?

fedora or manjaro?

Why can't I flash coreboot through software like libreboot? I don't want to take my x220 apart for freedom.

And another one bites the dust...
Just use other distros ya big dumb dumb

Guys I have a question regarding Debian

I have GNOME installed right now. If I wanted to uninstall it and all its programs, so that I could replace it with LXDE or just openbox with tint2, what steps must I take?

Is it easier to just install Debian from scratch with LXDE, or is it perfectly doable from an existing installation that uses GNOME?

cd ~/Somewhere ; findimagedupes *

I just found out that one of my HDDs that I had in my drawer is actually an SSHD.

My current HDD is a 7200RPM 500GB and the SSHD is 500GB as well but the spinning part is 5400RPM.

Should I bother reinstalling the whole OS on the SSHD thingy or is the performance benefit so negligible It would only be a waste of time?

>SSHD
I didn't even know those existed, I thought there were only HDD and SSD

It's a minor annoyance for major benefit. I was just wandering if anybody was aware of how to fix it.

No, it's good.
> reinstalling the whole OS
Acronis True Image or dd.
Sup Forums, 2016.

If you say so

Sudo aptitude (or apt-get depending on what you used to install it) remove task-gnome-desktop

Wow, you must be a wizard! You can download packages without an internet connection! Tell me your secret, wizard!

cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
there is also ethernet for those of us that do not buy garbage. If everything fails, just put it on a usb mass storage device.

Debian installer tells you exactly which firmware package you need to install for wifi to work, if it doesn't work right away with the non-free net install. To install those, you can either grab them from any other computer and plop them into a USB, or you can do it after installation via Ethernet from Debian itself.

gr8 b8 m8

>Debian installer tells you exactly which firmware package you need to install for wifi to work
I see you've never used debian before. How lucky of you.
>just install 30 packages by hand good goy
>hope you didn't get the wrong version of any package good goy
>debian is great, get it goy
>don't worry about the systemdick, it will only hurt a little good goy

>can't prove claim you made
>better call it b8
debian has ~43000 packages in main that get updates even in the point release/stable. buntu has a track record of not giving backports for a lot of packages.

I'm trying an exercise on parameter expansion...

TEMP1="hello"
TEMP2="world"

for i in 1 2
do
# here are a few things i've tried
echo ${$(echo TEMP)${i}}
echo $TEMP${i}
echo ${"TEMP"${i}}
done


I'm sure I'm over thinking it, but a hint would be great.

>30 packages for wifi
>systemd discussion out of nowhere even if the debian wiki has instructions on how to not use systemd and supports that
>by hand instead of dpkg -i
>not being able to use nonfree installer
wew lad

Is apt-get dist-upgrade a good idea or shiuld i just do a new installation?

on what? Did you change your sources? On debian testing and unstable dist-upgrade is the normal upgrade process.

For some reason, it always goes good on Debian stable, but I tried that on Ubuntu once... The system was messed up.

>shiuld i just do a new installation?
Mint user detected

Sorry to highjack but after cloning with dd I was hit by the problem described in Do you know a fix?

Should have mentioned i use kubuntu
Fuck off

No, I don't. People at redhat suggest a workaround for that - access.redhat.com/discussions/2100681
Try journalctl --verify and remove a corrupted file. Maybe it'll fix it.
They also suggest logrotate, but this is pajeet tier, IMO.

Logrotate is god tier. Systemd is what's pajeet tier.

Yes, but not in this case.
> your log files become corrupted every 10 minutes or so, let's replace them every 10 minutes, that'll fix it!

How much experience should I have before trying to install gentoo?

You have programs that have not been updated to 4.6 kernel,you can clealy see this in the error message.
It is blarely obvious what needs to happen.

openbox is a wm,not a de.
It can be used on any distro.

You should be able to compile a kernel, navigate around, know how to read man pages, be able to read the installation manual, partition, be patient, and you should have a high frustration tolerance.

Yes, I know how to fix it manually: remove ZFS, update kernel, install ZFS. But it's completely stupid that I have to do that by myself while pacaur just sits there with a dumb error message.
It could just run through those three steps for me, I asked to see if anybody knows how to make it do that.

How do I learn to compile a kernel?

Learn by doing

kernel.org

No.
ZFS will only use the listed kernel version. If you remove it and update to 4.6 then go to reinstall it, you will get the same error, that it needs
There is nothing pacuar can do in this situation,because it isnt there to solve problems like this, it is your choice of how to do this.

As long as you can follow this you should be able to install it.
wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Gentoo#Instructions_for_installing_Gentoo

>trying to work on a nearly 10 year old laptop with 2gigs of RAM with a VM and a firefox open
send money pls

>random breaking on sid like on Arch

You should stop believing and spreading myths and false information on the internet first. Maybe gain some first hand experience.

Where was this picture taken?

Looks a lot like the public transport around here from a few years ago.

>If you remove it and update to 4.6 then go to reinstall it, you will get the same error
I just did it, just like the past times I've done it, and it worked without any errors. Dunno what your problem is, famalam.
Would have preferred if pacaur ran three commands for me, but I guess I chose the wrong OS to complain about stuff like this.

>but I guess I chose the wrong OS
Correct. You should install gentoo instead, it's superior in virtually every way.

Pacaur has nothing to do with your OS. It's not a part of it. Using Arch "regularly" wouldn't give you these problems.

It's people like you who install half of the packages in the AUR and then complain that something "broke".

How can I install gnome on wayland like in Fedora but on Ubuntu?

It does not get anymore apparent then what is listed below.
:: spl-linux: installing linux (4.6.1-2) breaks dependency 'linux=4.5.4'
:: zfs-linux: installing linux (4.6.1-2) breaks dependency 'linux=4.5.4'
:: zfs-utils-linux: installing linux (4.6.1-2) breaks dependency 'linux=4.5.4'

Yes, sid breaks a lot. Fedora is newer and doesn't break ever. No reason to use sid. Debian is a server distro.

Nah, this works for me. And I sure do enjoy not compiling several packages of updates per day on multiple devices.

>Pacaur has nothing to do with your OS
That's not what I meant.
I meant if I wanted everything to work smoothly I should have gotten a Macbook where everything [reportedly] just works.

But the crucial part is that pacaur has everything to do with both native packages and AUR packages. As far as I'm concerned, my situation, while being an edge case, is affected by bug that should be fixed.

Because "hey idiot, run these three commands to unbreak your package manager" is good software design.
I don't care how apparent it is if I have a chore of fixing what should be handled by the package manager.

Do I have to know how to program to use linux?

absolutely not
source: haven't learned how to program in 8 years of using GNU/Linux

You can use a source (maybe per PPA) for gnome 3.20 and upgrade. Make sure you have wayland, libwayland and xwayland.

>using sid for a year now, still no breaking
i actually installed so that i can report bugs and fix stuff in case it breaks. I inly had deadbeef not working for 3 hours once before it was fixed. Maybe i should try some huge DE.

I've used Debian as my primary operating system for 2 years now. I think you're the one talking out of your ass.

> As far as I'm concerned, my situation, while being an edge case, is affected by bug that should be fixed.

Report it on the Pacaur bug tracker then.

>I don't care how apparent it is if I have a chore of fixing what should be handled by the package manager.
Pacaur isn't an package manager. It's an AUR helper. Those aren't officially supported and only an idiot would blame Arch (or any distribution in similar scenarios) for its shortcomings. Sticking to Pacman and the official repositories wouldn't end in such a problem.

I admit I haven't used it in many years, maybe things have changed.

>Laptop from 1999
>No boot from USB
>Burn Plop Boot Manager to CD-Rom
>Put Lubuntu alternate on USB
>Boot into Plob
>Select Boot from USB
>Hangs at the Syslinux splash screen
Oh no

Can confirm, been using Sid for a while now and it's a buttery smooth experience. Apt-listbugs and common sense when updating have kept me completely safe

>Pacaur isn't an package manager
My bad, poor choice of words.

>only an idiot would blame Arch
I already said that it's not what I meant. What I said was more a critique of myself that of the OS, for that matter. It's me being a special snowflake by installing obscure packages on an obscure repository of an obscure OS and expecting things to work 100% of the time.

Is the difference in performance between LXDE and pure Openbox big or negligible?

What are some advantages of using one over the other?

One is a de, the other is a wm

Then you won't get the jew's gold. Installing Gentoo is some sort of milestone, in my view. Like losing your virginity or killing a man in cold blood. It's the kind of thing that will haunt you if you get to your +40 without doing it.

I personally like picking all the software I use myself, but if you like what LXDE provides there is no shame in using it.

Ive bounced back to gentoo multiple times,because i like its ideas better then RHEL and etc.
It just isnt viable for daily use.It limits so many nessecary drivers. I dont want to spend a day updating ,only then to find the next day after spending a day compiling, i then have to spend another day compiling.
Its not viable for daily desktop use.

>tv monitors not smashed or stolen
>no graffiti everywhere
>no thugs all over the place

knew it wasn't America

At least use gentoo even once before shitposting about it.

Hey seasoned linux veterans, can you help me out getting sound to work in debian kde?

The thing is, I had it working yesterday after just randomly switching stuff in alsamixer and phonon settings but one day later I'm back to the silent treatment.

pic kinda related (only about half of the available 'channels')

phonon setting are even more cluttered with entries.

What I'm looking for is just to narrow down the relevant items so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life on this.

none of them make any sound when 'Test' is played. Although some of them clearly did work a day ago. Fucking magic.

post .asoundrc

Journalctl --verify didn't fixed the issue.
Thank you for the reply though.

I.. I don't have one...