/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

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Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
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If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™

Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", ultraportable
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap.
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet.
>Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels.
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing in the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
ktgee.net/tpg

New guides by xsauc:
dankpads.com

EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
pastebin.com/DujvzEzU

ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
lenovoservicetraining.com/

ThinkPad wallpaper collection:
imgur.com/a/NlepZ

Other urls found in this thread:

ebay.ca/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T440s-i7-4600U-8GB-512GB-SSD-IPS-FHD-1920x1080-type-20AR-001AUS-/282072347233?hash=item41acd27261:g:Z1wAAOSwgApW~x7~
ark.intel.com/products/65707/Intel-Core-i5-3317U-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-2_60-GHz
ark.intel.com/products/52229/Intel-Core-i5-2520M-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-3_20-GHz
download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/t440s_hmm_en_sp40a25360_01.pdf
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

Thinkpads are shit
Stop being poor and get a surface pro

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My t530 is making weird electrical noises, like a pulsating sound. One user said it was a faulty capacitor, so I started taking apart me thinkpad and some of the screws are stuck. I asked some guys and they said that I can cut it off, which doesn't seem to be viable. I also can heat the screw up as it's in the thinkpad. What do?

Hello guys, I need a laptop that I can take around with me to different places.
Looking with something with good battery life, and fairly light.
I am also going to be using in bed before I go to sleep.

What do you guys recommend?

X230 with X220 keyboard

Not into that tablet shit.

The X230 is not a tablet.
The X230T is a tablet.

I've been looking at getting a x220t, but the fucking screen is 12 inch. Is there a decent 15 inch touch screen dankpad?

I'm looking at this Thinkpad T440s on ebay:
ebay.ca/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T440s-i7-4600U-8GB-512GB-SSD-IPS-FHD-1920x1080-type-20AR-001AUS-/282072347233?hash=item41acd27261:g:Z1wAAOSwgApW~x7~

Is this a pretty good deal? The guide says I should be expecting around 400 dollars, so I'm not sure if I should entirely trust this.

So don't get a tablet model.

It's bidding, which is why it's lower. Bidding will go up within the day that's left.

Make sure to pick up a T450 trackpad so you don't cuck yourself

Okay, okay. How good is SoT? Also, what prices should I be looking for?

The guide seems a little outdated, as least for X series prices. I would stay below $350, but the newest T I've bought was a 420 and I have no interest in the newer models, so I'm not sure.

With the 9-cell, 10 hours of web browsing, though if you watch video it'll be a few hours less

If you want more battery you can get a battery slice that goes on the bottom of the laptop

Wouldn't I have to but another battery? What is the stock battery?

Still don't know what Thinkpad to get the X1 Carbon, X220, and X230 all look pretty good.

Sorry, it looks like I just couldn't read.
By the way, do you mean to buy a separate T450 trackpad and put it on myself? Is the T440 trackpad not satisfactory? I'm just afraid to break it as the only computer modification I have done is adding an SSD to a desktop.

Is the x230 noticeably faster than the x220?

Is it worth getting an x220 for dat keyboard at the cost of reduced performance?

Is a x220 with an i5, 4gb of ram, and 320gb hdd worth it for 135 bucks?

Just got a t520, sans battery, hard drive, ram door, and wifi chip for $50, tell me what I did wrong and cuss me out.

With i5, 8GB ram, and SSD, no need to worry about performance.

No.
Yes.
Yes, if it is in decent condition.

>T420
>3.2GHZ sandyvag dual core
>1ghz hd3000 igp
>1366x768 100% pure unadulterated eyecancer

>Surface Pro
>2.6ghz ivybridge
>1ghz hd4000 igp
>1080p

>ark.intel.com/products/65707/Intel-Core-i5-3317U-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-2_60-GHz
>ark.intel.com/products/52229/Intel-Core-i5-2520M-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-3_20-GHz

Which one will be better at gaming? It's for a kid and he'll be playing tf2.

I'm thinking the tp might get more perf because of the lower native res.

Thinkpads arent made for gaming kids

I know, but I need something to keep him distracted.

anyone here use a 12 inch (x220,x230 etc) thinkpad for reading PDFs and writing documents etc? I'm worried it might be too small.

If you are only playing tf2, you might as well get the surface pro because the T420's screen is, as you mentioned, not that great.

Why? Why not get him a console?

if it's spinning freely but not coming out, pull it out with pliers

if it's not turning, make sure you are turning it counter clockwise bro

I carry my t420 to college every day. It's pretty light.

>I'm not a pussy though.

It's perfect for me, but my friend needs 14" to feel comfy. The backspace is kinda small and it might take a while to become accustomed to it.

12,5", its fine, but for serious, all day editing i use an external monitor.

Buy a used xbox for 50 bucks.

Not on a thinkpad, but I work on a 720p 12 inch laptop, and I have my word processor set at 140% zoom. It's not entirely comfortable but a lot more portable than anything larger.

Fuck, don't know what to do.

Hey /tpg/ I'm thinking of buying an X200s but I can't seem to find one with either the L9600 or a 1440x900 screen. What gives?

Also, are there any mods I can do to it? I.E, can I upgrade the screen on any old X200s that I buy? I mainly need the battery life for whole day usage at uni and a Core2 will do the job.

>Stingrays are shit. Stop being poor and get a nice Prius.

Definitely, but then again, I'm in Yurop

Is spray painting your thinkpad not recommended?

>destroying art

Looks like he's getting the surface pro.

I was just testing tf2 on the machine and it hard shut down suddenly. It wouldn't turn on with ac power or battery power and to get it back to life I had to power cycle it.

What the flying fuck.

>My t530 is making weird electrical noises, like a pulsating sound.

That's a consequence of deep power saving modes of the CPU. The burst current demands when it momentarily wakes up to service tasks makes that noise. You can only eliminate it by disabling power saving modes in the BIOS.

> One user said it was a faulty capacitor

user is full of shit.

> so I started taking apart me thinkpad

...despite having no idea what you're doing aaaand.... you fucked it up. Well done.

> and some of the screws are stuck

You mean 'I used the wrong bit and stripped the heads out'. Stop now, and forget you tried. The more you do, the more you will fuck up.

I just wanted to become my waifu

>anyone here use a 12 inch (x220,x230 etc) thinkpad for reading PDFs and writing documents etc? I'm worried it might be too small.
That's exactly why I have my X61T still. It's not too small.

This fellow knows what he's talking about.

Hi Louis!

new thinkpad shit aside, is this a good deal?

new x240 with i7, 8gb ram, 256gb ssd, only the screen is not IPS nor fullHD( but i guess that is replaceable) for 400€

Nope, I only post howto webpages not vids ;-)

Thanks for your help? It's pretty straightforward to put back together and I stopped when the bits fit but I could turn them. I'll look into the powersaving, thanks.

>new x240 with i7, 8gb ram, 256gb ssd, only the screen is not IPS nor fullHD( but i guess that is replaceable) for 400€
T240/X240 were pretty much the absolute low-point of Thinkpads. Expect it to need service within two weeks of unboxing :-(

>Thanks for your help? It's pretty straightforward to put back together and I stopped when the bits fit but I could turn them. I'll look into the powersaving, thanks.
Didn't mean to be harsh, but you need to take a little care when working on these things, and if you're having trouble just getting the screws out, you're sure as hell not going to know what you're doing once you have access to the motherboard.

Go slow, ask questions first, use the right tools.

The main problem with T440 UltraNav is the lack of physical buttons on the top which makes operating the buttons a lot harder. Especially if you like to use the TrackPoint. The user experience was so bad that Lenovo reverted the design in T450 and Lenovo isn't reputed for reverting bad design decisions.

(and, ftr, you can indeed learn faster by just giving no fucks and fucking up a lot, but the 'fucking up alot' is also going to break things you can't fix. Have spares handy.)

Would it be worthwhile to just get a 450 for cheap then? I've got no modding experience and don't want to break something that I hypothetically just bought.

Can you use a screwdriver and read a manual?

There's a manual for this kind of stuff?

who uses the fingerprint reader? what for? Does it work well?

download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/t440s_hmm_en_sp40a25360_01.pdf

For those guys trying to get the fhd mod on the t420 going.
Word on the german forums is that apparently javie-jie is doing a redesign of the adapter board from scratch.

It shouldn't be too hard unless you're an absolute hamfinger, cannot follow instructions or just cannot be bothered with it.

If that is the case I'd recommend getting either a T430 or T450. The T430 still has the old power adapter so you can multiple ones for cheap. On the other hand if you're going to go ThinkPad for long therm having the new power adapter is better. A newer GPU and CPU are nice too but the T450 is going to be more expensive.

>x220
>i5 2520M
>1366x 768 LED HD display
>4GB RAM
>250GB hdd
>no lenovo warranty
>my town
>used by a student girl
>160euro
Worth? I got myself a x220 with better cpu some time ago but wonder if i should get it for parts or a just in case laptop.

>used by a student girl
Worth

get it and scan the hdd for deleted nudes

Not sure, contact person is a guy though.

> be a stundent with no money
> GF wants a new laptop
> learn up on internet
> x220 is the most logical choice
> GF not happy

>not making your GF get her own laptop

Im not interested in nudes. I bought one with better cpu, ram and ssd for more some time ago and im wondering if thats a good price for this setup.

>Im not interested in nudes.
Duuuuuuude......

>Hello guys, I need a laptop that I can take around with me to different places.
>Looking with something with good battery life, and fairly light.
T450s with 9cell battery can last you a whole day without recharging (no charging cables to carry around).

>I am also going to be using in bed before I go to sleep.
Look into the yoga models, or get some surface

Probably off topic, but:
I bid 450€ on a used Yoga Pro 3 on ebay. How much did I fail, Sup Forums?

Isn't Yoga a consumer model not related to ThinkPads or enterprise laptops in general?

Thanks I got it set up again, I thought I was going to have to buy another one!

Yes. The Yoga Pro 3 is also the newest model. There is a ThinkPad Yoga though.

>ThinkPad Yoga
It's probably as great quality as the ThinkPad Edge series.

Its is still under warranty for a year sooo

Shitovo decided to just slap a Thinkpad logo on anything these days so it doesn't really matter

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When did the thinkpad turn into a black macbook?

Should I turn SpeedStep off?

How is battery life?

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T431s was the first one

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So why lenovo changed the keyboard design?

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Because everyone else was doing chiclet keyboards and Lenovo didn't want to feel left out

Are T450s good?

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So what is wrong with the new thinkpads other than keyboards?

because making everything as close as possible to an ishit clone instead of retain dignity and key traits of a brand name is clearly the way to go

Remember when they said that there will never be a ThinkPad without the TrackPoint? I guess it is still technically true if you consider only X, T and W -series as real ThinkPads.

If you do that you'll cripple the battery time although the noise should stop. You could also just plug in the power cord to stop the power save related high pitch noise from CPU use.

>Its is still under warranty for a year sooo
Yeah, that warranty is sure comfy when you have to pay shipping both ways, don't have the machine for a month, and it comes back sloppily assembled with a brand new problem.

Specifically, you want to disable the higher C states in the CPU setup.

i found a x230 for 219€ on ebay
should i try it?

Got a little dell. Any recommendations on SSDs?

its a bit battle scarred ...

Get a cheap sandisk 128gig, its fast.

The iGPU is noticeably faster yes, the CPU not really, the battery life is a couple hours better

You can get dat x220 keyboard in an x230 anyway so

The Surface will run TF2 better

Why a X200s over something newer? Battery life has only gotten better since then? Any reason other than 16:10? (I do feel you there)

>mfw there's a x20 for sale on ebay
I have absolutely no need for it whatsoever, but I don't have one and it would be a nice addition to my collection.