What the fuck were they thinking?

what the fuck were they thinking?

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I guess it's too much for AMD to make a decent product. And after all that hype and promises. Fuck them

What do you expect from AMD, Every time there's something new from AMD, people jump on the bandwagon and say it's gonna be great. I really hoped this card would be good, I still use the 7970, which is think is one of the best cards since the 8800 from Nvidia.

Daily reminder Tom didn't have any problem recommending the 960 strix.

So if the 3rd party Rx Poo in Loo has more than 1 6 pin connector

Then it's safe?

I'm prepared to forgive the power issues because it's on par with a 980 Ti for $199.

not to mention there's a reason why some motherboard manufacturers put a dedicated molex power connector on the motherboard exclusively for pci slots

limits are limits but there's safety margins built in and everyone pushes the limit, it will be a non issue when non-reference cards come out with an 8pin or 2x6pin connectors

and because it's Sup Forums
inb4:
>amdshills in full force
>housefire

Since when. it's worse than a 970.

It's on par with, at worst. Quit being dramatic, faggot

It's 15% better than a 970. 980 is 10% better than a 970 and 980 Ti is also 15% better than a 970.

Should be

I read an interesting theory.

According to another thread, AMD boosted the voltage to unsafe levels, so essentially the stock 480 is actually an overclocked 480.

They did this in order to make sure the card could compete with a 970.

This caused unsafe power usage, and got them into the situation we are seeing now, going outside of pcie spec.

It can't even beat a single 970. It's also beaten by amd's own last gen 390.

>It can't even beat a single 970
Stop bullshitting

fuck off nvidiot

Sorry the truth hurts

The 970 can't beat the 390 either.

R.I.P. AMD
R.I.P RX480

>reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qfwd4/rx480_fails_pcie_specification/

The RX480 is faster stop being such a faget.

Pic related (22 Games from the last 3 years). With more dx12 games coming out in the future the Rx480 is bound to become faster than the 980 ti. It's always like this. When the 780ti came out it smoked the 290X. Today the 390X smokes the much newer 980.

nVidia deprecates their chips when new gens come out and the 970 is the next victim to fall.

What truth? A $200 card is as good as a $350 card? It is a replacement for the 380 and 960.

>

Interesting prices you got there. Meanwhile in the real world the 970 is only $250, while the 480 is sold out everywhere and only available on ebay for $350

Did I hit a nerv?
AMD BTFO.

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You might want to read that thread, it's kinda important for the safety of your system if you get a 480

I bought a RX480, I am thinking about returning it.
What the fuck is this shit, there is abolutely no room for OCing anymore.

OC Gtx970 seems to be a better deal (still)

The amount of power it pulls from PCIe is beyond specs and could kill your motherboard.

I l-love my motherboard though. Fuck AMD.

+ just to add to this they don't even torture test their 1080 founders edition (instead take power data while playing metro last light), why should we expect to take tomshardware seriously if they can't even put out consistent benchmarks

hell, looking into this further it's fucking EVIDENT they show clear bias towards nvidia

from the rx 480 power usage page:

>The Radeon RX 480’s minimum GPU and memory clock rate is 300MHz, resulting in an idle power measurement of 16W (or 19W if you're using multiple monitors). That's simply too high for a modern graphics card.

however from the 970 power usage page:

>The GTX 980 WindForce OC gives us our baseline by idling just under 10 W, while the derivative 970 consumes almost 20 W.

I'm sorry, is the 970, a last gen card, not a modern enough graphics card?

think this is a one off occurrence? guess again

>AMD’s Radeon RX 480 draws an average of 164W, which exceeds the company's target TDP.
>The Radeon RX 480 significantly exceeds its official TDP.

the rx 480 has a TDP (not a power usage measurement) of 150w, that's 12% over the tdp, however the gtx 970 has a tdp of 145w(gtx 980 165w), yet when tomshardware reviewed the 970 guess how much power they got out of it, I'll give you a hint, it's not

970 was 350 at launch retard
They had to put them all on fire sale two weeks ago when the 480 made them obsolete.
$200 is the msrp, and will be sold at that level when the unprecedented demand for the 480 tapers off.
They are really giving the 970 away at this point, it's irrelevant

So even though these sites get free hardware and massive dosh for reviews they decided not to. Why not have your mobo get fried and rake in the money from the amount of traffic your site would get from it.

Theory is that the stock 480 is in fact an OC 480, because AMD upped the voltage to drastic levels to compete with a 970.

That's why it can't overclock, because it already is.

That's also what is causing its power problems.

I bought one and I'm holding on to it for the time being.

If AMD's answer is to drop the clocks to reduce power draw through the PCI-e then yeah, I'll return it as well and go for an aftermarket one with extra pins.

You're only at risk if you overclock it.
Aftermarket cards should fix the issue, still pretty retarded on AMD's part though.

Actually the 970 started going down when the 1070 and 1080 were announced.

Quit lying same fags

It's literally a non issue.


See:

>I bought one and I'm holding on to it for the time being.
I guess that is what I am doing.
I am waiting for AMD to address the problems.

N/v/idiot shills need to go back to Sup Forums where they can cry about manlytears or whatever the fuck you fags talk about on your shit containment board

>It's literally a non issue.
>PCIe average ~82 Watts
>PCIe max ~100 Watts
0/10

Dont cry AMD-shill. AMD is on the watchlist.
Truth hurts, huh?

Now would be the time to show all the massive complaints 960 owners have if you want to convince anyone at all.

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Please correct me if I'm wrong : it has a tdp of 150w.
75w coming from the pcie lane and 75 from the 6 pin connector ?

I am not recommending the GTX960, and never will.
Still the RX480 stock draws way too much over PCIe, which makes OCing impossible without damaging your mainboard in the long term.

I was also hyped, but these are problems which you cant just accept.
In the end I hope that AMD addresses these problems, otherwise the comparison between the RX480 Stock and GTX970 stock isnt fair.
They pushed it intentionally to beat the GTX970, yet the card is worse if you compare it to an OC GTX970 which would be more fair.

JUST

will ayymd ever recover

TDP is not power draw.

Well, then it draws 75w from the pcie and 75w from the 6 pin ?

AMD is actually trying to say it's a 110W card now, when the truth is it draws over 180W, far outside the TDP but more importantly far outside the motherboard PCIE spec.

AMD trying to achieve what nvidia's 480 didn't. True housefires.

>28nm vs 28nm
>Nvidia uses less power and produces more performance
>BUT TDP IS THE SAME AS POWER CONSUMPTION
Said nobody ever

Also
>480 consumes as much power as a 970 and has lower performance while being a 14nm card
>AMD tries to hide their power consumption by pretending it only needs a 6 pin connector
>Draws 200w from PCI-E that's rated 75W
LITERALLY JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP SENPAI.
I can't wait for peoples budget builds to start exploding

it draws 75w from 6 pin and up to 200w from pcie which is the problem

Plenty of people bought a 960 strx, none had problems. Still has 5 stars on newegg. It's funny only Tom's card had this issue.
And it's on par with the 970, you really need to get a better grip on reality.

>none had problems
Yet

>2 years later

How do reviewers calculate how much it draws from the pcie and from the 6 pin ?

I understand placing a meter between the 6 pin and the RX 480. However how do they calculate for the pcie slot ? Special mbo software ?

I also understand they can calculate by placing a different card and calculating total power draw but still doesn't answer the pcie power draw question

>It's funny only Tom's card had this issue.
The thing is, not only Tom reports these problems.
Many different benchmarks show it, also german ones.

>And it's on par with the 970, you really need to get a better grip on reality.
No not really, benchmarks show that the 970 is faster.
Also you are comparing a new card with a card which is older than a year.
In reality the 480 should be way better than the 970, even if it's on par it is not worth the money if you take in consideration that it draws so much watt from the PCIe slot.
That's pretty desperate.

Osciloscopes

True but the 970 beats the 480
Quite a few bugs with this gpu already then, mainly the frying cheap mobos souncards & the nasty stutter in games

>2 years later
That's only drawing an extra 33% from the rated 75 w.
The 480 is drawing 260% more @ 200w from a 75 w rated PCI-E slot.

Between the pcie slot the card ?

By the time dx12 is fully operational and enough games are out to warrant it, the 480 will be nothing but a doorstop. (its already halfway there)

Kyle was right.

Special riser port.

If you're reading what the pins are drawing. The rest of it has to come from the PCI-E numbnuts. It isn't a nuclear power plant making it's own electricity is it?

Why do people always feel the need to defend something which is obviously a failure?
First it was the "missing" 0,5GB ram from the GTX970, now it is the way to high PCIe average Watt.

God I hate shills.
AMD fucked up this time.

Power Consumption

Test Method Contact-free DC Measurement at PCIe Slot (Using a Riser Card)
Contact-free DC Measurement at External Auxiliary Power Supply Cable
Direct Voltage Measurement at Power Supply

Test Equipment 2 x Rohde & Schwarz HMO 3054, 500MHz Digital Multi-Channel Oscilloscope with Storage Function
4 x Rohde & Schwarz HZO50 Current Probe (1mA-30A, 100kHz, DC)
4 x Rohde & Schwarz HZ355 (10:1 Probes, 500MHz)
1 x Rohde & Schwarz HMC 8012 Digital Multimeter with Storage Function

literally says on the page

They never claimed that, period. Some other companies failed to understand AMD.
Another case of hype exploding.

JUST wait until an aftermarket board comes out that's designed properly or get a 1070 and leave the worries behind.

Under load it only uses 3w less than my 1080. what the actual fuck

can't you just overclock the pci slot so the power is no prolbem??

Gotcha. Thanks

They did the whole point of this was a budget vr card which uses less power than the 390s.

The 960 strix does not go out of spec

the 480 does

Pic related, well under 150W

amd shills are on damage control m8

You can see a whole thread of people having the issue here, it's widespread:

reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qfwd4/rx480_fails_pcie_specification/

>can't you just overclock the pci slot so the power is no prolbem??

Look again

The only real problem is going to be if people have power supplies with split 12v rails because the motherboard might not be supplied enough current on it's 12v line to supply more than the 75W spec for the PCI-e (though most boards have multiple PCI-e slots so you would hope it the PSUs would be designed to at least be able to provide ~300W on the 12v rail that is feeding the board) which would make the build unstable.

It's not going to blow up or anything. The spec exists mostly because you need to know what you have to be able to supply.

>just wait
>just wait
>just wait

That was a Strix issue and not a 960 issue you fucking mong

The problem is the fact that AMDs 480 R E F E R E N C E card is pulling that much power though the mobo.

that's neo-Sup Forums for you

Watch this video:
youtube.com/watch?v=S4cUPpr3Yi4

With this soundtrack:
youtube.com/watch?v=PIxd9CDaygI

The strix doesn't even have an issue, it was well under 150w, see

Hang fire for the 490, its the 1080 killer dont you know

kill yourself

>just wait for aftermarket
>just wait for drivers
>just wait for stock
>just wait for msrp
>just wait for amd to get their shit together

>AMD's Radeon RX 480 draws 90W through the motherboard’s PCIe slot during our stress test

JESUS

>trolls trolling trolls
"neo" Sup Forums, lol

Power spikes are unrelated to the problem retard.

>We skipped long-term overclocking and overvolting tests, since the Radeon RX 480’s power consumption through the PCIe slot jumped to an average of 100W, peaking at 200W. We just didn’t want to do that to our test platform.

This isn't about this:
To be clear, your motherboard isn't going to catch fire. But standards exist for a reason. All of the components around the PCIe slot and along the path from the slot to the 24-pin ATX connector will suffer from the peaks. And depending on your platform's design, audio problems may also materialize.

This is about how they didn't want to overclock because it was drawing 200W from the PCI-E

those values that are above the rated power draw aren't spikes, they're literally averaging 90w

>jokes on them I was merely pretending

for

That's average power usage, not maximum. The rx480 also averages at 150W, which means that it can peak to higher power usage during heavy stress, which means it uses more power than what it should.

So, when are aftermarket cards dropping?

You've gotta think that most people buying the 480 won't have mid to high end motherboards

This could actually cause damage to low end Motherboards

>To be clear, your motherboard isn't going to catch fire.
For people who cut costs by buying a cheaper motherboard, you know, the target market for this card, reality might be something entirely different.

>amd system with an oced 9590
>two of these cards in sli
>oced ripjaws ram

Some AMDrool do it now!
And film your PC.

I've not seen a mobo explode yet. Please.
You'll get views on youtube I promise. Probably enough to buy a new PC.

It might not catch fire, but it might damn well blow up your other components by causing a power surge.

>owning AMD CPU

I'd rather die

In short, the only way this AMD card blows away Nvidia is if someone installs it on an old nForce motherboard

>There are some retards on this board that think this graph
is in anyway similar to
JUST FUCKING LOOK AT HOW CLOSELY PACKED THE POWER DRAW IS. IT'S NOT SPIKING IT'S LITERALLY DRAWING ABOUT 100W CONSTANT

TDP stands for thermal design power which basically means how much watts of heat a cooling solution needs to dissipate to keep a component (such as a gpu die) within operating parameters.